Re: ‘The Southampton Two’

[OntarioFox]

I don't think Bertrand is that bad, but I don't think the way we've been setting up is right. He'd be fine in a traditional 4-4-2 with a supporting midfielder like Albrighton doing the box to box stuff. When he plays in a 3 / 5 as more of a wingback, we're left constantly exposed when he's caught upfield.

 

That being said, he hasn't been tried with the more solid Evans-based back three yet. I've yet to be convinced that Vestergaard is anything short of a liability, but Bertrand does bring benefits, not least his excellent set piece delivery.

[sacreblueits442]

4 hours ago, eblair said:

i know football inflation is a bit mad; vestegaard is to my knowledge the 2nd most expensive cb in the history of the club - we should expect better

 

jonathan tah and tarkowski were the other options

...Burnley would have been asking £35-40m for him!!!

  Knowing how desperate we were they would have had us over a barrel.  The Vestergaard fee would have probably been £5m less had we not found ourselves needing to replace Fofana.

[eblair]

It’s not their fault; they both seem completely inadequate to play for our club. So will try and avoid slagging them off too much

 

but feels like signing the pair of them was the clubs sacrifice to footballing gods to allow us to continue the rest of our incredible scouting. Maybe Brendan thinks it will end the injury crisis

 

Makes so little sense, two players Southampton fans told us were crap, who played for a crap team who got crap results. 
 

for all the faults of the Southampton 2; they do at least remind me of the Legendary 2 (Fuchs and Wes); but they do have me feeling like this

[FLAN]

Can’t recall a less able player with such a height advantage than Vestegard when the ball comes into the box 

[Lambert09]

Brendan was chatting up Duffy at full time. He will be our next £5m  emergency signing 

[Lesta2014]

Thought Bertram did okay tonight, nowt special but don’t remember him doing much wrong either. 

[coolhandfox]

Cheap squad players.

 

When Justin and Fofana are fit, Vestiguard is 5th choice CB and Bertrand 3rd or 4th choice LB

 

They lessen the load on other players playing game like tonight, FA Cup and the odd few minute here or there in the PL and EL.

 

Think Bertrand is ok, easy to forget he had COVID. 

Edited 27 October 2021 by coolhandfox

[Lincolnfox]

19 minutes ago, FLAN said:

Can’t recall a less able player with such a height advantage than Vestegard when the ball comes into the box 

Ormondroyd??

[funkyrobot]

Don’t think either have added much to the team. Was worried about Vestegaard anyway but was expecting way more from Bertrand. Looked good in the charity shield but since then he looks like a fullback dialling it in a bit.

[UpTheLeagueFox]

27 minutes ago, coolhandfox said:

Cheap squad players.

When Justin and Fofana are fit, Vestiguard is 5th choice CB and Bertrand 3rd or 4th choice LB

They lessen the load on other players playing game like tonight, FA Cup and the odd few minute here or there in the PL and EL.

People seem to forget this.

 

Vestegaard is not a crap player but of course he's struggled to fit in so far - I do wonder if Soyuncu's major struggles have affected him. He'll have Evans, Fofana, Amartey and Soyuncu ahead of him and possibly Justin too.

Bertrand will be behind Castagne, Justin, possibly Ricardo and Thomas too.

They cost £15m between them which is not peanuts but equally they're plugging a gap on the relative cheap and wages won't be daft either.

[AjcW]

3 minutes ago, UpTheLeagueFox said:

People seem to forget this.

 

Vestegaard is not a crap player but of course he's struggled to fit in so far - I do wonder if Soyuncu's major struggles have affected him. He'll have Evans, Fofana, Amartey and Soyuncu ahead of him and possibly Justin too.

Bertrand will be behind Castagne, Justin, possibly Ricardo and Thomas too.

They cost £15m between them which is not peanuts but equally they're plugging a gap on the relative cheap and wages won't be daft either.

Think people also seem to forget that without these squad fillers we’d be playing kids in the Prem and likely shipping even more goals. 
 

I’ve been so disappointed by Janick… but… his defensive stats are actually significantly better than Big dans this season…. Problem is people only remember misplaced passes and being sprinted past, as opposed to tackles and blocked shots. 

[UpTheLeagueFox]

4 minutes ago, AjcW said:

I’ve been so disappointed by Janick… 

Bit like when Jimmy Willis first came, struggled and got dogs abuse.

Ended up winning MoM v Derby at Wembleh!

[jim5000]

48 minutes ago, FLAN said:

Can’t recall a less able player with such a height advantage than Vestegard when the ball comes into the box 

He is a pure example of someone promoted above their capability. I feel half like laughing, and half like feeling sorry for him as he ducks beneath another ball whistling over his head. He's like a big lumbering giant, it's hard not to feel for him as he lollops around the penalty area without a clue what he's doing.

[Guest Mickyblueeyes]

1 minute ago, AjcW said:

Think people also seem to forget that without these squad fillers we’d be playing kids in the Prem and likely shipping even more goals. 
 

I’ve been so disappointed by Janick… but… his defensive stats are actually significantly better than Big dans this season…. Problem is people only remember misplaced passes and being sprinted past, as opposed to tackles and blocked shots. 

I think that’s because he’s made critical mistakes. Some which he has got away with and some which he hasn’t. His last three games: 1. Spartak - got turned like he wasn’t there. Position was then poor for the cross in. 2. Brentford - last few minutes where you need composure. He stretches for a header with no control and puts us right under pressure. Luckily, no goal from the subsequent corner. 3. Tonight - the slip. The useless attempt at a header for their first. The mis-marking for the 2nd. 
 

He makes blunders. of course he knows how to defend most of the time but those critical blunders are going to cost us goals. They already have sometimes. A ok-ish defender who gets his positioning wrong sometimes is understandable, it’s life. You deal with it. This guy makes errors which are on par sometimes with Lee Marshall. The fall over tonight, the last time I saw that was in our relegation season under Bassett/Adams. 
 

 

[volpeazzurro]

4 hours ago, Lincolnfox said:

Ormondroyd??

The thing with Ormondroyd though was that we always seemed to do better with him in the side. We can't say the same about Vestergaard. 

[TeaMen Tom]

It may not be a coincidence that the best that Vestergaard has looked so far came when he was paired with Evans last weekend.  

[Tom12345]

On 21/10/2021 at 05:32, st albans fox said:

I think that’s true of vester because of a disrupted pre season but Bertrand should have been better. As others have mentioned, perhaps his covid experience wasn’t straightforward….

I actually thought Bertrand did quite well in the first few games especially in going forward. Then he had Covid and maybe you are on to something …?

[Chrysalis]

Never heard the phrase until OP made the thread.

[NaijaFox]

7 hours ago, AjcW said:

Think people also seem to forget that without these squad fillers we’d be playing kids in the Prem and likely shipping even more goals. 
 

I’ve been so disappointed by Janick… but… his defensive stats are actually significantly better than Big dans this season…. Problem is people only remember misplaced passes and being sprinted past, as opposed to tackles and blocked shots. 

Or we instead could have signed better players...

We got a "kid" like JJ for about a third of what we paid for Vestergaard. 

 

[NaijaFox]

1 hour ago, TeaMen Tom said:

It may not be a coincidence that the best that Vestergaard has looked so far came when he was paired with Evans last weekend.  

It must be a miracle because Vestergaard was not paired with Evans last weekend. 

[NaijaFox]

7 hours ago, AjcW said:

Think people also seem to forget that without these squad fillers we’d be playing kids in the Prem and likely shipping even more goals. 
 

I’ve been so disappointed by Janick… but… his defensive stats are actually significantly better than Big dans this season…. Problem is people only remember misplaced passes and being sprinted past, as opposed to tackles and blocked shots. 

Don't mind typical FTers...

Elevating football over statistics. 

[Daggers]

On 20/10/2021 at 22:44, Reg Vardy said:

Are they a bit like the Fun Boy Three, Gang of Four or the Dave Clark Five?

Birmingham 6

Magnificent 7

Ocean’s 8

9 to 5 The Musical

…which takes us back to the Birmingham 6 and locked into some kind of loop.

[Daggers]

An horrific loop.

[Silver surfer 1]

Why we keep perusing with Vest ? Play Benkovic at least let’s see for our selves what br doesn’t see in him 

[The Fox Covert]

9 hours ago, FLAN said:

Can’t recall a less able player with such a height advantage than Vestegard when the ball comes into the box 

Ian Ormondroyd?