''Summer re-build''

[Guest Chocolate Teapot]

35 minutes ago, Pliskin said:

Looking at our saleable assets. I think it’s fair to say that Youri and Cags are 100% gone. Then you can probably see Kalechi going, as we could generate funds from him, Praet will naturally leave, and potentially Kasper too. 
 

The rest of the clear out will involve fringe players such as Hamza, Vesty and Bertrand……. 
 

Perez is an interesting one, because we could get a few for him too, but then is that too many players out the door. We’ve got another short summer so we don’t want to drag business through the whole window, and not be settled before the season starts. 

I think we should keep Praet but he's yer another Brendan doesn't fancy. Soumare and him have had their cards marked since day one whereas Youri can play shit every week and still gets picked.

Edited 11 May 2022 by Chocolate Teapot

[Dusty]

1 minute ago, Chocolate Teapot said:

I think we should keep Praet nut he's yer another Brendan doesn't fancy. Soumare and him have had their cards marked since day one whereas Youri can play shit every week and still gets picked.

Or maybe praet and Soumare have never showed even close the ability that Tielemans has? 
 

Praet was average and didn’t want to be here, not sure why that’s Rodgers’ fault. This was always a bedding in season for Soumare, he’s not been great so far but hopefully will improve next season. There’s not really anything else to it than that.

[CosbehFox]

I don’t see the clubs queuing up for some of our squad players. Largely due to the wages we pay out. We’d have to give cut price transfer fees as well

[Scotch]

What I'm worried about though is the pressure mounting on Rodgers. If he does get the chance to rebuild in the summer and does indeed go for a championship manager style massive revamp, bringing in 7/8 players with first teamers going, it will take a while for this new squad to gel and if they don't do it quickly and we sack Rodgers early in the season.... We've then built a team for a manager that might not be keen of some of those players. 

[Guest Chocolate Teapot]

29 minutes ago, Dusty said:

Or maybe praet and Soumare have never showed even close the ability that Tielemans has? 
 

Praet was average and didn’t want to be here, not sure why that’s Rodgers’ fault. This was always a bedding in season for Soumare, he’s not been great so far but hopefully will improve next season. There’s not really anything else to it than that.

Tielemans has been average this season and doesn't want to be here. What's the difference?

[sacreblueits442]

27 minutes ago, Dusty said:

Or maybe praet and Soumare have never showed even close the ability that Tielemans has? 
 

Praet was average and didn’t want to be here, not sure why that’s Rodgers’ fault. This was always a bedding in season for Soumare, he’s not been great so far but hopefully will improve next season. There’s not really anything else to it than that.

...not sure where the idea that Praet did not want to be here has come from!!!

  We certainly did not attempt to use him and he struggled for consistent game time. He was the only one if our players that went ahead of our striker, and would have been an effective second #8 but we did not, at the time, look to utilise that formation.

  We have moved to a format where we now look to use the extra midfielder but we have not the right personnel to make it work. 

[Incognito]

1 hour ago, Scotch said:

What I'm worried about though is the pressure mounting on Rodgers. If he does get the chance to rebuild in the summer and does indeed go for a championship manager style massive revamp, bringing in 7/8 players with first teamers going, it will take a while for this new squad to gel and if they don't do it quickly and we sack Rodgers early in the season.... We've then built a team for a manager that might not be keen of some of those players. 

This is a big concern for me. Also, we will undoubtedly pay out more than we receive when overhauling the squad.

 

There are too many red flags for me with BR's transfer record.

 

I really do believe that a new voice could revitalise some of our players and thus they'd be like new signings anyway, only already settled.

 

Of course, whichever way we choose to go, it's a gamble.

[AjcW]

18 hours ago, Daveb5569 said:

 

Madders will be shooting catalogues pic's and I feel the pull of London may see him go.

You’re well off the mark with Madders, sure he might play for a london team one day but it won’t be because of the “pull of it”

 

He lives in Nottingham and likes being close to his family in the East Midlands, his girlfriend is an American model and he managed to convince her to live there  they’re even more settled now with their little one added to the fam!

[Ely fox]

1 hour ago, Cardiff_Fox said:

I don’t see the clubs queuing up for some of our squad players. Largely due to the wages we pay out. We’d have to give cut price transfer fees as well

Hamza could play for a championship club either on loan or be sold but I see him staying for another couple of seasons sitting on the bench. 

[filbertway]

 

 

[Scotch]

13 minutes ago, Ely fox said:

Hamza could play for a championship club either on loan or be sold but I see him staying for another couple of seasons sitting on the bench. 

I could see him going to Forrest if they come up. 

[StanSP]

Just now, filbertway said:

 

 

Do you have a link to that article? 

[filbertway]

1 minute ago, StanSP said:

Do you have a link to that article? 

https://www.celticquicknews.co.uk/well-keep-getting-better-rodgers/

 

[StanSP]

11 minutes ago, filbertway said:

https://www.celticquicknews.co.uk/well-keep-getting-better-rodgers/

 

So he wanted to build on success? 

[filbertway]

5 minutes ago, StanSP said:

So he wanted to build on success? 

Another case of him telling people what they want to hear and then failing to deliver.

 

He'll always sound impressive as he knows exactly the right things to say, his delivery rate on his promises is shocking though. Which is why I take everything he says with a huge sackful of salt.

[StanSP]

2 minutes ago, filbertway said:

Another case of him telling people what they want to hear and then failing to deliver.

 

He'll always sound impressive as he knows exactly the right things to say, his delivery rate on his promises is shocking though. Which is why I take everything he says with a huge sackful of salt.

Fair enough. But the other aspect is not settling for one good season and wanting to do better. 

 

Actions speak louder than words, though... 

[tsintskaro]

Looks like Brendan will be here at the start of the next season and he will lead this promised summer re-build.

I think its most frightening time for a club since 2015, i guess, right?

Main players are guys who were brought by Puel or before that - Maddison, Tielemans, Ndidi, Evans, Kasper, Vardy/Nacho, Ricardo, Cags academy players

and there is Fofana only success so far of Rodger's era

This main core is getting old, injury prone, quit often out of from or leaving the club

Damage done this year was huge and  I cant really see how Rodgers can refresh this squad for a new start.

Ndidi, Barnes, Ricardo/Castagne/Justin are either pants for too long  or injured in between not having great games.

Only CM who can pass forward is leaving, most consistent Central defender who also tends to be kinda of leader is 35 and mostly injured as well

Still no signs of new RW and upfront life after Vardy does not give you enough confidence 

too much to consider

 

 

[filbertway]

7 minutes ago, StanSP said:

Fair enough. But the other aspect is not settling for one good season and wanting to do better. 

 

Actions speak louder than words, though... 

I'm all in favour of continuing to improve and having that drive. He needs to decide what he wants though, because his opinions and thoughts seem to magically shift everytime I hear him speak. 

 

First he liked a small squad, then he complained his squad wasn't big enough.  He likes young players he can mould, his squad is too young. We're here to disrupt the top 6, we're not good enough to disrupt the top 6.

 

I can't take the man at his word anymore as I don't believe that he believes what he's saying. He's just very good at saying something that makes him look good, don't worry about if it's true or if he delivers on it. 

 

Every office has someone like him and eventually everyone grows to dislike them as you have no trust in them.

 

 

 

[Ric Flair]

16 minutes ago, filbertway said:

I'm all in favour of continuing to improve and having that drive. He needs to decide what he wants though, because his opinions and thoughts seem to magically shift everytime I hear him speak. 

 

First he liked a small squad, then he complained his squad wasn't big enough.  He likes young players he can mould, his squad is too young. We're here to disrupt the top 6, we're not good enough to disrupt the top 6.

 

I can't take the man at his word anymore as I don't believe that he believes what he's saying. He's just very good at saying something that makes him look good, don't worry about if it's true or if he delivers on it. 

 

Every office has someone like him and eventually everyone grows to dislike them as you have no trust in them.

 

 

 

Nailed it

[Chelmofox]

16 minutes ago, filbertway said:

I'm all in favour of continuing to improve and having that drive. He needs to decide what he wants though, because his opinions and thoughts seem to magically shift everytime I hear him speak. 

 

First he liked a small squad, then he complained his squad wasn't big enough.  He likes young players he can mould, his squad is too young. We're here to disrupt the top 6, we're not good enough to disrupt the top 6.

 

I can't take the man at his word anymore as I don't believe that he believes what he's saying. He's just very good at saying something that makes him look good, don't worry about if it's true or if he delivers on it. 

 

Every office has someone like him and eventually everyone grows to dislike them as you have no trust in them.

I've worked with plenty of management consultants who behave just like Brendan - some very wealthy. They have a special bone which means they have no accountability, and everyone around them is dispensable. What they all had in common was an ability to woo the right type of impressionable management, and consistently get what they want. 

[KFS]

3 minutes ago, jamesp26 said:

I've worked with plenty of management consultants who behave just like Brendan - some very wealthy. They have a special bone which means they have no accountability, and everyone around them is dispensable. What they all had in common was an ability to woo the right type of impressionable management, and consistently get what they want. 

I think this is why he grates on me so much. Big mouth, lots to say, but where are the things he says coming true or he’s sticking to it? Accountability is very important in any job. This guy seems devoid of it until we win.

[sacreblueits442]

.....he could be described as someone with a narcissistic Sociopathic complex!!!

He believes what he is saying at the time, and sees no problem in the way he can cast people around him aside for his own self preservation.

 

Five or more of the following DSM-5 criteria need to be present for an official diagnosis.1

 

• A grandiose sense of self-importance (i.e., exaggerates their achievements and abilities)
• A preoccupation with the idea of gaining success, power, love, and physical attractiveness
• A belief that they are special or high status and can only be understood by similar people or should only associate with those people (or institutions)
• A need for excessive admiration
• A sense of entitlement and expectation that others will comply or give them favorable treatment
• Exploits other people for personal gain
• Lacks empathy for others
• Envies others or believes that other people envy them
• Arrogant behaviors and attitudes

 

People with this disorder may monopolize conversations and look down on people whom they feel are inferior to them. They will take advantage of others to get what they want, no matter who gets hurt along the way.2

Edited 11 May 2022 by sacreblueits442

[BKLFox]

12 minutes ago, sacreblueits442 said:

.....he could be described as someone with a narcissistic Sociopathic complex!!!

He believes what he is saying at the time, and sees no problem in the way he can cast people around him aside for his own self preservation.

 

Five or more of the following DSM-5 criteria need to be present for an official diagnosis.1

 

• A grandiose sense of self-importance (i.e., exaggerates their achievements and abilities)
• A preoccupation with the idea of gaining success, power, love, and physical attractiveness
• A belief that they are special or high status and can only be understood by similar people or should only associate with those people (or institutions)
• A need for excessive admiration
• A sense of entitlement and expectation that others will comply or give them favorable treatment
• Exploits other people for personal gain
• Lacks empathy for others
• Envies others or believes that other people envy them
• Arrogant behaviors and attitudes

 

People with this disorder may monopolize conversations and look down on people whom they feel are inferior to them. They will take advantage of others to get what they want, no matter who gets hurt along the way.2

Are you still talking about Rodgers or numerous posters on FT

[UniFox21]

One thing that's disappointed me the most is the manner in how certain players have just dropped off with form.

Almost like from the beginning of the year they accepted they'd be off and just been half arsing through the year. 

[Sampson]

Surely people have learnt by now it’s not easy just to sell players.

 

I don’t think it’s as easy as saying “Tielemans Praet Soyuncu and Perez will go”.

 

We spent years trying to get rid of players we didn’t want anymore. I mean Mendy and Amartey are only really here because we couldn’t shift them in previous seasons then needed them after injury.