The Blur Posted 21 June 2022 Posted 21 June 2022 3 hours ago, moore_94 said: 9 teams who haven't signed anyone yet Bournemouth - 0 Arsenal - 2 (Marquinhos, Vieira) Aston Villa - 4 (Coutinho, Kamara, Carlos, Olsen) Brentford - 0 Brighton - 2 (Enciso, Baker-Boaitey) Chelsea - 0 Crystal Palace - 0 Everton - 0 Fulham - 0 Leeds - 3 (Aaronson, Kristensen, Roca) Leicester - 0 Liverpool - 3 (Carvalho, Nunez, Ramsay) Man City - 1 (Haaland) Man Utd - 0 Newcastle - 2 (Murphy, Targett) Nottingham Forest - 1 (Hammond) Southampton - 4 (Iwumene, Bazunu, Lis, Bella-Kotchap) Spurs - 3 (Perisic, Forster, Bissouma) West Ham - 1 (Aguerd) Wolves - 0 Why am I not surprised it is you out of all posters who bothered to come up with the list. I would have just posted a link to BBC transfers page Fair play mind. 1
Popular Post Babylon Posted 22 June 2022 Popular Post Posted 22 June 2022 Perhaps we could worry about getting the best out of players we already own first, rather than shipping them out and buying new ones. 5
Sly Posted 22 June 2022 Posted 22 June 2022 3 hours ago, Babylon said: Perhaps we could worry about getting the best out of players we already own first, rather than shipping them out and buying new ones. A real possibility that due to our wage structure, we’ll Struggle to move people on. Therefore we’ll sign no one. ……. the meltdown on here then 1
Popular Post Jobyfox Posted 22 June 2022 Popular Post Posted 22 June 2022 Ok guys …. we’re getting close now ….. just give me the nod and I’m pressing it …. 2 3
PNM Posted 22 June 2022 Posted 22 June 2022 Dreamt (and it felt so real) that we’d made Danny Willett our first signing as a replacement for Jakupovic. Yes, the golfer. And we were all genuinely ecstatic because at least we’d got someone in. 3
surrifox Posted 22 June 2022 Posted 22 June 2022 5 hours ago, Babylon said: Perhaps we could worry about getting the best out of players we already own first, rather than shipping them out and buying new ones. Exactly. We got a top half finish despite being hobbled with injury and some lunatic game management in the final moments . If we get Wilf back and sort out Our best defensive set up YT may commit to the club as there doesn’t appear to be a queue around the block for him . 1
SafewayFox Posted 22 June 2022 Posted 22 June 2022 2 minutes ago, surrifox said: Exactly. We got a top half finish despite being hobbled with injury and some lunatic game management in the final moments . If we get Wilf back and sort out Our best defensive set up YT may commit to the club as there doesn’t appear to be a queue around the block for him . I genuinely want to agree with you. I just worry massively relying on Evans, Vardy, N’Didi etc all to stay fit, even without European football. I remember listening to a podcast years ago and a player (can’t remember even who it was now) saying that players loved coming back for pre-season and seeing new faces to “freshen” things up so we definitely run the risk of 1) becoming stale and 2) everyone else improving their starting 11/squads and getting left behind.
Guest Col city fan Posted 22 June 2022 Posted 22 June 2022 10 hours ago, Babylon said: Perhaps we could worry about getting the best out of players we already own first, rather than shipping them out and buying new ones. Stop being so sensible Babs!
coolhandfox Posted 22 June 2022 Posted 22 June 2022 10 hours ago, Babylon said: Perhaps we could worry about getting the best out of players we already own first, rather than shipping them out and buying new ones. 100%, everyone fit and firing, we can compete!
Babylon Posted 22 June 2022 Posted 22 June 2022 6 minutes ago, coolhandfox said: 100%, everyone fit and firing, we can compete! We even have two CM's that have barely had a chance, plus a CB. If we aren't even going to give them time and a proper chance, then I don't fancy giving those in charge more money to waste. 1
Ric Flair Posted 22 June 2022 Posted 22 June 2022 6 minutes ago, coolhandfox said: 100%, everyone fit and firing, we can compete! Agreed, we are a right winger away from having a top 6 standard starting XI. But that's been the case now for a while. There's a huge amount of squad change coming in the next 1-2 years but right now we aren't automatically a mediocre team again, not unless there's serious under performance. 1
coolhandfox Posted 22 June 2022 Posted 22 June 2022 (edited) 5 hours ago, SafewayFox said: I genuinely want to agree with you. I just worry massively relying on Evans, Vardy, N’Didi etc all to stay fit, even without European football. I remember listening to a podcast years ago and a player (can’t remember even who it was now) saying that players loved coming back for pre-season and seeing new faces to “freshen” things up so we definitely run the risk of 1) becoming stale and 2) everyone else improving their starting 11/squads and getting left behind. I think no European football is the key. Evans managed 46 games, all comps in 19/20 and 37 in 20/21, and even 27 this season. Wilf managed 39 games, all comps in 19/20 and 36 in 20/21, and even 31 this season. Vardy managed 40 games, all comps in 19/20 and 42 in 20/21, and even 33 this season. That says they can generally play 30-38 odd PL games a season if we prioritise their game time to just the PL games. Our squad has had to cope with 111 games in two seasons, only Man City, Chelsea and Liverpool match or beat out games total this season. Edited 22 June 2022 by coolhandfox 3
coolhandfox Posted 22 June 2022 Posted 22 June 2022 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Ric Flair said: Agreed, we are a right winger away from having a top 6 standard starting XI. But that's been the case now for a while. There's a huge amount of squad change coming in the next 1-2 years but right now we aren't automatically a mediocre team again, not unless there's serious under performance. If we had the same squad as last year and a real quality RW I'd be more than happy. Edited 22 June 2022 by coolhandfox
Ric Flair Posted 22 June 2022 Posted 22 June 2022 49 minutes ago, coolhandfox said: If we had the same squad as last year and a real quality RW I'd be more than happy. So would I. Obviously then losing Soyuncu and Tielemans on frees + the real elephant in the room of players like Vardy, Schmeichel and Evans needing replacing next summer will be a huge issue we've got to overcome. I actually don't know how we do rebuild successfully if I'm honest, maybe it's more about eeking out this hacienda period for as long as possible and then accepting our plummet and enjoying it if we can for what we've had. 1
Pliskin Posted 22 June 2022 Posted 22 June 2022 7 minutes ago, Ric Flair said: So would I. Obviously then losing Soyuncu and Tielemans on frees + the real elephant in the room of players like Vardy, Schmeichel and Evans needing replacing next summer will be a huge issue we've got to overcome. I actually don't know how we do rebuild successfully if I'm honest, maybe it's more about eeking out this hacienda period for as long as possible and then accepting our plummet and enjoying it if we can for what we've had. Some chap I work with reckons we’re on the decline. We have short changed ourselves and have a bit of a contract dilemma on the horizon. You just wonder if Brendan is the right character to sort this out, my concern is he has pretty much flopped at every other club then the going gets tough. It’s a big season for us in many ways, his comments of we need a rebuild and then it not happening could have huge consequences, ultimately he carries the can for everything, even if he isn’t directly involved in transfers. 1
Ric Flair Posted 22 June 2022 Posted 22 June 2022 3 minutes ago, Pliskin said: Some chap I work with reckons we’re on the decline. We have short changed ourselves and have a bit of a contract dilemma on the horizon. You just wonder if Brendan is the right character to sort this out, my concern is he has pretty much flopped at every other club then the going gets tough. It’s a big season for us in many ways, his comments of we need a rebuild and then it not happening could have huge consequences, ultimately he carries the can for everything, even if he isn’t directly involved in transfers. I mean it's a fascinating debate but one that could well have been bandied about after 2 years of being crap before the summer of 2018 as well but thankfully we then built a very good squad again and Schmeichel and Vardy improved once again year after year. The biggest difference now is those two won't have another squad cycle in them and all things being equal, replacing them both in what they achieve on the pitch but how they carry this club off the pitch will be a huge obstacle to overcome. I'm fearful of the manager having to much influence as well and being kept on to cause more damage rather than the club step in and make the decisions. That is the combination I think could undo us. Then couple that with the amount of other players who's contracts are running down and it can quickly go from a finely built squad that always seems to outperform its rivals whoever they bring in year on year to us being in a battle to keep up or even just survive at this level. We have definitely come to the end of a cycle for the likes of Ndidi, Tielemans, Soyuncu, Ricardo and Maddison. Some of them want to stay here but others want a new challenge, to replace them having had to sell them for reduced fees or even let them go on frees is harrowing when we've the above issues we are faced with and having made a number of disastrous other signings that need to be replaced too. Let's hope the club can pull off another miracle. If we are ran correctly then raising £150-200m for Fofana, Maddison and Ndidi might well need to be done proactively before shit hits the fan. 2
Pliskin Posted 22 June 2022 Posted 22 June 2022 2 hours ago, Ric Flair said: I mean it's a fascinating debate but one that could well have been bandied about after 2 years of being crap before the summer of 2018 as well but thankfully we then built a very good squad again and Schmeichel and Vardy improved once again year after year. The biggest difference now is those two won't have another squad cycle in them and all things being equal, replacing them both in what they achieve on the pitch but how they carry this club off the pitch will be a huge obstacle to overcome. I'm fearful of the manager having to much influence as well and being kept on to cause more damage rather than the club step in and make the decisions. That is the combination I think could undo us. Then couple that with the amount of other players who's contracts are running down and it can quickly go from a finely built squad that always seems to outperform its rivals whoever they bring in year on year to us being in a battle to keep up or even just survive at this level. We have definitely come to the end of a cycle for the likes of Ndidi, Tielemans, Soyuncu, Ricardo and Maddison. Some of them want to stay here but others want a new challenge, to replace them having had to sell them for reduced fees or even let them go on frees is harrowing when we've the above issues we are faced with and having made a number of disastrous other signings that need to be replaced too. Let's hope the club can pull off another miracle. If we are ran correctly then raising £150-200m for Fofana, Maddison and Ndidi might well need to be done proactively before shit hits the fan. I agree. I was thinking earlier if Maddison has a good season but fails to make the World Cup there could be scope to let him go in January for silly money with the WC being an influence. My major concern at present is Rodgers has been banging on about a refresh since Forest fetched our pants down in the FA cup. It obviously is not happening, so an already irritated Rodgers (in my opinion he spent most of his interviews sounding annoyed) is going to be extremely pissed come Brentford when Lookman is probably our only signing. This head of recruitment issue isn’t helping either, and the lack of clarity regarding Youri isn’t too. Not sure what next season looks like, we can’t afford to have a pissed off manager, and several want away players even more pissed off because they haven’t been able to leave. Things are on a knifes edge at the moment, just an odd feeling about it all. I’m not even looking forward to this season in all honesty… but we will see. 3
Grebfromgrebland Posted 22 June 2022 Posted 22 June 2022 If we're after improvements to our starting line up then that will be hard. We can't just buy better than what we have easily. We will have to be patient here. 1
GingerrrFox Posted 22 June 2022 Posted 22 June 2022 6 minutes ago, Nannypig7 said: You ok? @Ric Flair It’s not even like they need him. They’ve already got Olise, Eze, Zaha and Ayew who can all play out wide.
Guest Posted 22 June 2022 Posted 22 June 2022 4 minutes ago, GingerrrFox said: It’s not even like they need him. They’ve already got Olise, Eze, Zaha and Ayew who can all play out wide. The latter two have a year left on their contracts and it wouldn't be at all surprising to see Zaha leaving sooner than that
Popular Post DezFox Posted 22 June 2022 Popular Post Posted 22 June 2022 Good business from them. Seem to be investing in youth, it’s a good model . It’s a channel I thought we were going down but Rodgers or the powers that be dont seem to be a fan. Real shame. I think we had a real good opportunity to be seen as a place young players can come and make a name for themselves like a poor man’s dortmund. Instead we just sign below average Southampton players on big wages. Slowly undoing a lot of good work in my opinion. 8
Guest Posted 22 June 2022 Posted 22 June 2022 5 minutes ago, DezFox said: Good business from them. Seem to be investing in youth, it’s a good model . It’s a channel I thought we were going down but Rodgers or the powers that be dont seem to be a fan. Real shame. I think we had a real good opportunity to be seen as a place young players can come and make a name for themselves like a poor man’s dortmund. Instead we just sign below average Southampton players on big wages. Slowly undoing a lot of good work in my opinion. I'm not sure how true that is - since he arrived we've signed Tielemans, Justin, Fofana, Daka and Soumare, all under 23 at the time we bought them. Granted with the exception of Justin they're not exactly young lower league prospects of a similar profile to Ebiowei but pre-Rodgers I can only really think of Gray who fits that category in recent years.
Ryy Posted 22 June 2022 Posted 22 June 2022 3 minutes ago, Guest said: I'm not sure how true that is - since he arrived we've signed Tielemans, Justin, Fofana, Daka and Soumare, all under 23 at the time we bought them. Granted with the exception of Justin they're not exactly young lower league prospects of a similar profile to Ebiowei but pre-Rodgers I can only really think of Gray who fits that category in recent years. 2
DezFox Posted 22 June 2022 Posted 22 June 2022 13 minutes ago, Guest said: I'm not sure how true that is - since he arrived we've signed Tielemans, Justin, Fofana, Daka and Soumare, all under 23 at the time we bought them. Granted with the exception of Justin they're not exactly young lower league prospects of a similar profile to Ebiowei but pre-Rodgers I can only really think of Gray who fits that category in recent years. Yeah maybe your right im not sure why I perceived it, I think the academy players coming through maybe give that impression. I just like the model of buying very young player from the championship. Palace have bought 3 teenagers from there daily recently at good prices that are all pretty exciting. Rodgers has only even signed 1 teenager for the first team I believe In forfana and it has worked perfectly. So shame we don’t do it more.
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