st albans fox Posted 4 August 2022 Posted 4 August 2022 1 minute ago, ClaphamFox said: Southampton fans were delighted to get rid of both of them, which should probably have been a warning sign. They didn’t have much of an opinion on Bertrand - he ran down his contract and so it didn’t require much of a view from them. They didn’t seem bothered that re left on a free - true
ClaphamFox Posted 4 August 2022 Posted 4 August 2022 18 minutes ago, st albans fox said: They didn’t have much of an opinion on Bertrand - he ran down his contract and so it didn’t require much of a view from them. They didn’t seem bothered that re left on a free - true I think they were very bemused that we'd gone for either player - they couldn't understand it at all. 1
indierich06 Posted 4 August 2022 Posted 4 August 2022 1 hour ago, chapero82 said: No they did not!!! Don't make me drag up the Vestergaard Signs & Betrand Signs threads where 99% of people were kissing their arses. 1
chapero82 Posted 4 August 2022 Posted 4 August 2022 3 minutes ago, indierich06 said: Don't make me drag up the Vestergaard Signs & Betrand Signs threads where 99% of people were kissing their arses. That's probably from the same people who think everything Is fine still to be fair
indierich06 Posted 4 August 2022 Posted 4 August 2022 1 minute ago, chapero82 said: That's probably from the same people who think everything Is fine still to be fair Mate it was like 99% of people... Everyone on this forum is a football expert - in hindsight!
chapero82 Posted 4 August 2022 Posted 4 August 2022 2 minutes ago, indierich06 said: Mate it was like 99% of people... Everyone on this forum is a football expert - in hindsight! I doubt very much it was 99% as I know quite a few who didn’t want Vestergaard coming here
Jobyfox Posted 4 August 2022 Posted 4 August 2022 I thought Bertrand was a decent signing, but was less sure on Vesty. I thought RB seemed sensible when, due to injuries, young Luke Thomas was going to have to play a good proportion of the season. Experienced cover seemed sensible To be honest, though, I don’t get all this stuff about revisionism. We’re not the people who are tasked with scouting players and ensuring they fit into our system and philosophy. We have people at the club who are presumably paid well to do this. We don’t have to get it right on a football forum, but suffer the consequences when others get it wrong. No matter what we said when we signed these players doesn’t change the fact that they have been an unmitigated disaster so far who have contributed to us being strangulated in the transfer market.
messerschmitt Posted 4 August 2022 Posted 4 August 2022 46 minutes ago, st albans fox said: He was only signed because wes got injured and Jonny wasn’t fit and had no return date go back to last august and agreed that no one (bar a few) moaned about Bertrand. Vesty was a bit of a joke buy in many eyes but but we needed cover and there weren’t options. There were a few I thought better at the time like Ozan Kabak on loan.
st albans fox Posted 4 August 2022 Posted 4 August 2022 2 minutes ago, messerschmitt said: There were a few I thought better at the time like Ozan Kabak on loan. He wanted to much money - where did he end up ??
ronnup Posted 4 August 2022 Posted 4 August 2022 I'm amazed there's not a single ITK this year, not a peep
Sambiasso Posted 4 August 2022 Posted 4 August 2022 2 minutes ago, ronnup said: I'm amazed there's not a single ITK this year, not a peep It's like since Dave Rennie left the club all the leaks have gone... 1 2
Guest kristianity77 Posted 4 August 2022 Posted 4 August 2022 2 minutes ago, ronnup said: I'm amazed there's not a single ITK this year, not a peep We could have a million ITKs for all it matters. But when there's nothing to leak because we aren't buying anyone, what can you do.
indierich06 Posted 4 August 2022 Posted 4 August 2022 38 minutes ago, Jobyfox said: I thought Bertrand was a decent signing, but was less sure on Vesty. I thought RB seemed sensible when, due to injuries, young Luke Thomas was going to have to play a good proportion of the season. Experienced cover seemed sensible To be honest, though, I don’t get all this stuff about revisionism. We’re not the people who are tasked with scouting players and ensuring they fit into our system and philosophy. We have people at the club who are presumably paid well to do this. We don’t have to get it right on a football forum, but suffer the consequences when others get it wrong. No matter what we said when we signed these players doesn’t change the fact that they have been an unmitigated disaster so far who have contributed to us being strangulated in the transfer market. I'm no fan of Brendan, but it's very easy for a lot on here to sit here and talk about how certain players 'never should have been signed' and laying into the recruitment team/the manager/the board/whoever else they perceive is to blame that week, when at the time most people were happy with these signings and many actively encouraged/celebrated them. No-one, no matter how much they're paid, can get every single signing right, every single time. If that was true, you'd never have a bad signing.
foxinsocks Posted 4 August 2022 Posted 4 August 2022 24 minutes ago, Sambiasso said: It's like since Dave Rennie left the club all the leaks have gone... Bring him back
filbertway Posted 4 August 2022 Posted 4 August 2022 29 minutes ago, Sambiasso said: It's like since Dave Rennie left the club all the leaks have gone... I'd take having leaks and a fit squad
Jobyfox Posted 4 August 2022 Posted 4 August 2022 7 minutes ago, indierich06 said: I'm no fan of Brendan, but it's very easy for a lot on here to sit here and talk about how certain players 'never should have been signed' and laying into the recruitment team/the manager/the board/whoever else they perceive is to blame that week, when at the time most people were happy with these signings and many actively encouraged/celebrated them. No-one, no matter how much they're paid, can get every single signing right, every single time. If that was true, you'd never have a bad signing. Yes - agreed. My post was more of a reaction to those castigating others for getting this wrong. It’s irrelevant really to the fact that, however it happened, they were two incredibly poor signings 1
Dames Posted 4 August 2022 Posted 4 August 2022 3 hours ago, indierich06 said: There's a lot of ****ing revisionist history going on with regards to Vestergaard and Betrand - yes, they've turned out rubbish, but on paper they both seemed like they would be solid signings who would add a bit of experience. No revisionism at all. I remember at least 80% of this place being against the Vestergaard signing when we were first linked and then again when we got him. Bertrand was more 50/50 as people could arguably see the logic on a free. There was a willingness and begrudging acceptance to give them a chance when they joined but how quickly the fanbase ran out of patience with both of them says all you need to know. Contrast that with Soumare who still retains a lot of support and patience. 1
Foxxed Posted 4 August 2022 Posted 4 August 2022 3 hours ago, indierich06 said: There's a lot of ****ing revisionist history going on with regards to Vestergaard and Betrand - yes, they've turned out rubbish, but on paper they both seemed like they would be solid signings who would add a bit of experience. Bertrand looked decent and Soton fans rated him. I think his injuries seriously affected his form. We did seem to put him on a too higher wage, however, even without a transfer fee. Vestergaard was a risky last minute panic buy. You can give excuses for both but sadly they fall into a bit of an uninspiring pattern that Celtic fans saw too.
SuperMike Posted 4 August 2022 Posted 4 August 2022 32 pages on the hopes of signing a Chelsea reserve who, I believe, is yet to appear in their first team! MY, HOW THINGS HAVE CHANGED! I remember a time when we would swoop and sign whoever we wanted from their first team: Weller, Garland, Kember, Webb, Birchenall etc. The good ol' days, eh? 3
st albans fox Posted 4 August 2022 Posted 4 August 2022 3 minutes ago, SuperMike said: 32 pages on the hopes of signing a Chelsea reserve who, I believe, is yet to appear in their first team! MY, HOW THINGS HAVE CHANGED! I remember a time when we would swoop and sign whoever we wanted from their first team: Weller, Garland, Kember, Webb, Birchenall etc. The good ol' days, eh? Muzzy did ok …. 2
ronnup Posted 4 August 2022 Posted 4 August 2022 4 minutes ago, SuperMike said: 32 pages on the hopes of signing a Chelsea reserve who, I believe, is yet to appear in their first team! MY, HOW THINGS HAVE CHANGED! I remember a time when we would swoop and sign whoever we wanted from their first team: Weller, Garland, Kember, Webb, Birchenall etc. The good ol' days, eh? Have they? Look at the title winning side
An Sionnach Posted 4 August 2022 Posted 4 August 2022 2 minutes ago, SuperMike said: 32 pages on the hopes of signing a Chelsea reserve who, I believe, is yet to appear in their first team! MY, HOW THINGS HAVE CHANGED! I remember a time when we would swoop and sign whoever we wanted from their first team: Weller, Garland, Kember, Webb, Birchenall etc. The good ol' days, eh? We get this every year with unproven players in the hope we will get lucky and find an undervalued talent. Not done it since Justin and is less and less likely. Chelsea know exactly how good Colwill is at this time. He is not ready yet for their starting line up and therefore is not ready for ours.
indierich06 Posted 4 August 2022 Posted 4 August 2022 29 minutes ago, Dames said: No revisionism at all. I remember at least 80% of this place being against the Vestergaard signing when we were first linked and then again when we got him. Bertrand was more 50/50 as people could arguably see the logic on a free. There was a willingness and begrudging acceptance to give them a chance when they joined but how quickly the fanbase ran out of patience with both of them says all you need to know. Contrast that with Soumare who still retains a lot of support and patience.
sacreblueits442 Posted 4 August 2022 Posted 4 August 2022 6 hours ago, Sly said: Other than Rodgers not being the one who has the final say and him being blamed for the dross. I agree with you on our recent transfer activity hasn’t been right. I wanted Rodgers gone last season, for us being tactically naive, that is what he can take the can for, as that’s part of his remit. ....I am pretty certain that in an interview on here, he (Rodgers) states he has the final say!!! I thought it was strange at the time because he had previously said that it was a committee which decided.
The Fox Covert Posted 4 August 2022 Posted 4 August 2022 31 minutes ago, SuperMike said: 32 pages on the hopes of signing a Chelsea reserve who, I believe, is yet to appear in their first team! MY, HOW THINGS HAVE CHANGED! I remember a time when we would swoop and sign whoever we wanted from their first team: Weller, Garland, Kember, Webb, Birchenall etc. The good ol' days, eh? In those days Chelsea weren't the moneybags club they are now. They were a bigger and more fashionable club than us but not by that much. At the time they were vying with West Ham to be the third biggest club in London. 2
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