Levi Colwill

[Sly]

3 minutes ago, South Shire Fox said:

Its common knowledge Bertrand and Vestegaard were Rodgers signings..

It isn’t though. That’s said on here. That’s Foxestalk heresay to blame him.

 

The team have a profile of a player type, which was head by Congerton. Rodgers is head coach. This isn’t the Ferguson / Wenger era, where the club is run top to bottom by one man. He may play a part in the profiling and green lighting of a transfer, however I’d doubt that as well if I’m honest. 
 

The club have made mistakes signing these players.
 

Rodgers has made mistake though, however we can’t throw him under the bus for signing players. 

[Deeg67]

Why do you supposed Congerton came to the club in the first place?

[Rusko187]

6 minutes ago, Sly said:

It isn’t though. That’s said on here. That’s Foxestalk heresay to blame him.

 

The team have a profile of a player type, which was head by Congerton. Rodgers is head coach. This isn’t the Ferguson / Wenger era, where the club is run top to bottom by one man. He may play a part in the profiling and green lighting of a transfer, however I’d doubt that as well if I’m honest. 
 

The club have made mistakes signing these players.
 

Rodgers has made mistake though, however we can’t throw him under the bus for signing players. 

Thought Athletic did an article on it that confirms they were... Including Perez

[Sly]

2 minutes ago, Deeg67 said:

Why do you supposed Congerton came to the club in the first place?

Like most things. Applied for a job and came in with his mates, I.e Rodgers. 
 

Still doesn’t make Vestergaard and Bertrand a Rodgers mistake. 
 

Rudkin, Congerton, Top, Tops Brother, Wheelan, Neville, Dolan-Barr, Capper will all form part of that team. 
 

Players are a capital purchase and the book doesn’t sit with one person. 

[South Shire Fox]

Just now, Sly said:

It isn’t though. That’s said on here. That’s Foxestalk heresay to blame him.

 

The team have a profile of a player type, which was head by Congerton. Rodgers is head coach. This isn’t the Ferguson / Wenger era, where the club is run top to bottom by one man. He may play a part in the profiling and green lighting of a transfer, however I’d doubt that as well if I’m honest. 
 

The club have made mistakes signing these players.
 

Rodgers has made mistake though, however we can’t throw him under the bus for signing players. 

Rodgers is the one who has the final say on these players before they sign so as far as im concerned he takes a lot of the blame for the dross that has been brought in. Buying average late 20s/early 30s Prem players on big wages with no resale value is appalling business.
 

Buying young players and developing them to sell on for a massive profit (for it to then be reinvested) is the only business we should be doing so that this club can become self funded and we dont end up in the mess we are with having lots of deadwood on massive wages we cant shift. 

[StanSP]

6 minutes ago, South Shire Fox said:

Rodgers is the one who has the final say on these players before they sign so as far as im concerned he takes a lot of the blame for the dross that has been brought in. Buying average late 20s/early 30s Prem players on big wages with no resale value is appalling business.
 

Buying young players and developing them to sell on for a massive profit (for it to then be reinvested) is the only business we should be doing so that this club can become self funded and we dont end up in the mess we are with having lots of deadwood on massive wages we cant shift. 

I get the sentiment but it's not only young players that can be bought with high sell-on value. We'd have an inexperienced squad if we only did that. 

 

Some signings didn't work out that should have. That may fall at Rodgers' door and I agree. But some take it to the next level and act like he should be sacked for that. If that was the case across football there'd be no managers lasting beyond 6 months at a time. 

 

Edited 4 August 2022 by StanSP

[Sly]

3 minutes ago, South Shire Fox said:

Rodgers is the one who has the final say on these players before they sign so as far as im concerned he takes a lot of the blame for the dross that has been brought in. Buying average late 20s/early 30s Prem players on big wages with no resale value is appalling business.
 

Buying young players and developing them to sell on for a massive profit (for it to then be reinvested) is the only business we should be doing so that this club can become self funded and we dont end up in the mess we are with having lots of deadwood on massive wages we cant shift. 

Other than Rodgers not being the one who has the final say and him being blamed for the dross. I agree with you on our recent transfer activity hasn’t been right. 

 

I wanted Rodgers gone last season, for us being tactically naive, that is what he can take the can for, as that’s part of his remit. 
 

 

 

[TommyK]

1 hour ago, South Shire Fox said:

Its common knowledge Bertrand and Vestegaard were Rodgers signings..

That's bollocks. One man does not decide on recruitment. 

Rodgers would have let the recruitment team know he wants an experienced left back and a center back. But no way did he want Vestegaard. 

[mod hero]

1 hour ago, Sly said:

It isn’t though. That’s said on here. That’s Foxestalk heresay to blame him.

 

The team have a profile of a player type, which was head by Congerton. Rodgers is head coach. This isn’t the Ferguson / Wenger era, where the club is run top to bottom by one man. He may play a part in the profiling and green lighting of a transfer, however I’d doubt that as well if I’m honest. 
 

The club have made mistakes signing these players.
 

Rodgers has made mistake though, however we can’t throw him under the bus for signing players. 

Rob Tanner said he signed them against the wishes of the scouting team

Edited 4 August 2022 by mod hero

[ronnup]

7 minutes ago, mod hero said:

Rob Tanner said he signed them against the wishes of the scouting team

Deserves no money then, they should flog him on the penalty spot 

Edited 4 August 2022 by ronnup

[TommyK]

14 minutes ago, mod hero said:

Rob Tanner said he signed them against the wishes of the scouting team

I've worked in lots of large companies and spending millions is never something done lightly. 

If you're suggesting one man can spend 16m(?) of the clubs money on a whim then that's just not how the world works. 

 

On another note, do you really think BR ego would mean he'd insist we buy a player and then never play him?

 

Its far more likely he didn't want him as he doesn't fit how we play and not playing him is a protest vote because of that. 

[mod hero]

1 minute ago, TommyK said:

I've worked in lots of large companies and spending millions is never something done lightly. 

If you're suggesting one man can spend 16m(?) of the clubs money on a whim then that's just not how the world works. 

 

On another note, do you really think BR ego would mean he'd insist we buy a player and then never play him?

 

Its far more likely he didn't want him as he doesn't fit how we play and not playing him is a protest vote because of that. 

Chill out, I’m not suggesting anything. Rob Tanner said what he said. Maybe you could tweet him and tell him he’s lying and about your experience in working for lots of large companies

[Dusty]

10 minutes ago, mod hero said:

Chill out, I’m not suggesting anything. Rob Tanner said what he said. Maybe you could tweet him and tell him he’s lying and about your experience in working for lots of large companies

Fwiw Rob Tanner has next to zero inside information, he generally only reports things after they’re made public by other journos. He was the only person to report this, and it’s not been mentioned by him or the Atheltic since, which suggests to me that it might have been some guesswork rather than inside info. 
 

I can’t see vestergaard being a Rodgers signing, if managers have a big say in buying a player they tend to stick with them and try to make them a success. Rodgers made vesty 5/6 choice, picking Ndidi over him at points last season and then called him out in the post match when he was poor. We obviously don’t know for sure, but I would be very surprised if this was a Rodgers signing. 
 

Bertrand is more likely to be a Rodgers one considering they’ve worked together in the past. 

[Dahnsouff]

1 hour ago, South Shire Fox said:

Rodgers is the one who has the final say on these players before they sign so as far as im concerned he takes a lot of the blame for the dross that has been brought in. Buying average late 20s/early 30s Prem players on big wages with no resale value is appalling business.
 

Buying young players and developing them to sell on for a massive profit (for it to then be reinvested) is the only business we should be doing so that this club can become self funded and we dont end up in the mess we are with having lots of deadwood on massive wages we cant shift. 

Lets break these claims down

1. Rodgers is the one who has the final say on these players before they sign
   1. Evidence outside of Twitter, and proper good club sources?
2. Buying average late 20s/early 30s Prem players on big wages with no resale value is appalling business.
   1. L:ike Jonny Evans? There is value at lots of ages, and value can be what they give to the club, not just resale
3. Buying young players and developing them to sell on for a massive profit (for it to then be reinvested) is the only business we should be doing so that this club
   1. We are in the business of running a football club not a creche, you need experience too

Although, having said all that, we do seem to have diverged  from out buy low, develop, sell high slightly. I say slightly because it is only slightly, I mean look at Wes, Daka, Soumare, JJ, these are young prospects with considerable resale value

 

The fact we got Vestergaard (I actually understood this, it just did not work out) and Bertrand (This DID feel like jobs for the boys I agree) should not distract from recent good work, and people spend WAY to much time on these two, it is a bit silly as even now it is not a norm

[An Sionnach]

3 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said:

Lets break these claims down

1. Rodgers is the one who has the final say on these players before they sign
   1. Evidence outside of Twitter, and proper good club sources?
2. Buying average late 20s/early 30s Prem players on big wages with no resale value is appalling business.
   1. L:ike Jonny Evans? There is value at lots of ages, and value can be what they give to the club, not just resale
3. Buying young players and developing them to sell on for a massive profit (for it to then be reinvested) is the only business we should be doing so that this club
   1. We are in the business of running a football club not a creche, you need experience too

Although, having said all that, we do seem to have diverged  from out buy low, develop, sell high slightly. I say slightly because it is only slightly, I mean look at Wes, Daka, Soumare, JJ, these are young prospects with considerable resale value

 

The fact we got Vestergaard (I actually understood this, it just did not work out) and Bertrand (This DID feel like jobs for the boys I agree) should not distract from recent good work, and people spend WAY to much time on these two, it is a bit silly as even now it is not a norm

Never been a big believer in clubs with a "grand plan" apart from the reactive one of sacking the manager and throwing as much money as you have at the problem. The best laid plans of football clubs so often crumble into dust.

[Dahnsouff]

Just now, An Sionnach said:

Never been a big believer in clubs with a "grand plan" apart from the reactive one of sacking the manager and throwing as much money as you have at the problem. The best laid plans of football clubs so often crumble into dust.

Not sure what is in relation to if I am honest, but as the saying goes, fail to prepare, prepare to fail.

[DezFox]

Another thread gone off topic due to the actual topic, we were never in for, no concrete interest and just watch him sign for a rival! Very depressing. 

[Aus Fox]

2 hours ago, South Shire Fox said:

Rodgers is the one who has the final say on these players before they sign so as far as im concerned he takes a lot of the blame for the dross that has been brought in. Buying average late 20s/early 30s Prem players on big wages with no resale value is appalling business.
 

Buying young players and developing them to sell on for a massive profit (for it to then be reinvested) is the only business we should be doing so that this club can become self funded and we dont end up in the mess we are with having lots of deadwood on massive wages we cant shift. 

That’s a great philosophy when you already have the senior pros at the club to help those players develop.

When you lose Simpson, Huth, Morgan, Fuchs, Okazaki, Ulloa etc. that’s a lot of experience out the door and that experience needs replacing.

[indierich06]

There's a lot of ****ing revisionist history going on with regards to Vestergaard and Betrand - yes, they've turned out rubbish, but on paper they both seemed like they would be solid signings who would add a bit of experience.

[Sean2000]

8 minutes ago, indierich06 said:

There's a lot of ****ing revisionist history going on with regards to Vestergaard and Betrand - yes, they've turned out rubbish, but on paper they both seemed like they would be solid signings who would add a bit of experience.

That's definitely true of Bertrand. Indeed, people thought he was a good free signing. But I also remember folks talking about Vestegaard having the pace of an oil tanker before he signed, and really not thinking he was worth it. That said, he wasn't expected to play much, and then Wes and Jonny got injured. 

[chapero82]

24 minutes ago, indierich06 said:

There's a lot of ****ing revisionist history going on with regards to Vestergaard and Betrand - yes, they've turned out rubbish, but on paper they both seemed like they would be solid signings who would add a bit of experience.

No they did not!!!

[turtmcfly]

1 hour ago, Sean2000 said:

That's definitely true of Bertrand. Indeed, people thought he was a good free signing. But I also remember folks talking about Vestegaard having the pace of an oil tanker before he signed, and really not thinking he was worth it. That said, he wasn't expected to play much, and then Wes and Jonny got injured. 

 

Yes, and there were plenty of positive comments here after the first couple of few pre-season games.

 

The bit about Vestergaard though... we announced his signing just over a week after Wes got injured. Leisurely repenting ahoy.

 

 

[sdb]

We should demand he's part of any Fofana deal. Put them on the back foot a bit and hopefully stall their (& Brighton's) plans a little. Time we started bossing things.

[ClaphamFox]

1 hour ago, indierich06 said:

There's a lot of ****ing revisionist history going on with regards to Vestergaard and Betrand - yes, they've turned out rubbish, but on paper they both seemed like they would be solid signings who would add a bit of experience.

Southampton fans were delighted to get rid of both of them, which should probably have been a warning sign.

[st albans fox]

1 hour ago, Sean2000 said:

That's definitely true of Bertrand. Indeed, people thought he was a good free signing. But I also remember folks talking about Vestegaard having the pace of an oil tanker before he signed, and really not thinking he was worth it. That said, he wasn't expected to play much, and then Wes and Jonny got injured. 

He was only signed because wes got injured and Jonny wasn’t fit and had no return date 

 

go back to last august and agreed that no one (bar a few) moaned about Bertrand. Vesty was a bit of a joke buy in many eyes but but we needed cover and there weren’t options.