Contracts and the mess we're in

[Ric Flair]

On 15/07/2022 at 17:13, coolhandfox said:

Another panicking thread.

 

The owners, Whelan and Rudders in the last 10 years have brought more success to this club then any other except Man C, Man U, Chelsea, Liverpool.

 

Unless its been blind luck, I think we can trust them to sort stuff out. 

 

 

Ouch 😂😂

[Winchesterfox]

20 minutes ago, BillyFOX12 said:

Still breaking EPL records, nice one lads! 

Rodgers: I wasn't backed.

[AKCJ]

On 15/07/2022 at 15:12, urban.spaceman said:

Bit harsh to call it a mess IMO. 

What do you reckon now?

[Les-TA-Jon]

Time for my chart again...

 

[AKCJ]

Set to leave this summer

Bertrand, Evans, Mendy, Amartey, Soyuncu, Perez, Tielemans and Tete.

 

2024

Vestergaard, Praet, Vardy, Maddison, Ndidi, Albrighton, Iheanacho, Smithies and Thomas

 

2025

Ward, Iversen, Castagne and Barnes

 

2026

Ricardo, Soumare, Daka and Justin

 

2027

Faes and KDH

 

2028

Souttar and Kristiansen

Edited 30 May 2023 by AKCJ

[Babylon]

6 minutes ago, AKCJ said:

What do you reckon now?

My opinion would be whilst it clearly wasn't the best, we should and did have enough to stay up IMO. The squad wasn't that much different to the one that finished 5th or 8th. 

 

The issue was allowing Rodgers to stay in the seat too long and to run the club and the players down in the summer. I competent manager coming in during the summer would have got more from the team IMO. 

[Les-TA-Jon]

22 minutes ago, Les-TA-Jon said:

Time for my chart again...

 

 

21 minutes ago, AKCJ said:

Set to leave this summer

Bertrand, Evans, Mendy, Amartey, Soyuncu, Perez, Tielemans and Tete.

 

2024

Vestergaard, Praet, Vardy, Maddison, Ndidi, Albrighton, Iheanacho, Smithies and Thomas

 

2025

Ward, Iversen, Castagne and Barnes

 

2026

Ricardo, Soumare, Daka and Justin

 

2027

Faes and KDH

 

2028

Souttar and Kristiansen

Can anyone come up with a 3rd way to present the same information!? 

[Free Falling Foxes]

8 minutes ago, Les-TA-Jon said:

 

Can anyone come up with a 3rd way to present the same information!? 

Here's a graph.....

[Sol thewall Bamba]

On 15/07/2022 at 15:30, Sol thewall Bamba said:

 

KINGS OF THE TRANSFER MARKET

#NeverWrong

[BenTheFox]

37 minutes ago, Les-TA-Jon said:

Time for my chart again...

 

I'd keep Albrighton. He is already happy playing in the championship. I wouldn't want him starting every game but he can still contribute. 

[AKCJ]

17 minutes ago, Les-TA-Jon said:

 

Can anyone come up with a 3rd way to present the same information!? 

I wouldn't have spent 5 minutes doing that post if I knew you were doing the same  

[Flamey]

After this weekend I know how Cheese felt. 😟

[FOXSE]

44 minutes ago, Les-TA-Jon said:

Time for my chart again...

 

Potentially we will have two centre back so will need another two (plus on youth, who? Any good enough?). Two central midfielders, so will need at least another 2. No wingers, so need at least 2. 1 striker, so will need another 2... so about 8 pretty important players we need in, at least. Carnage.

[Les-TA-Jon]

1 hour ago, BillyFOX12 said:

Still breaking EPL records, nice one lads! 

I know the intent, but that tweet is worded completely wrong. It reads as if we have the highest ever wage bill and most expensive squad ever and then went down. 

 

But it's actually "Leicester is the highest wage bill and most expensive squad to ever be relegated" 

[urban.spaceman]

46 minutes ago, AKCJ said:

What do you reckon now?

That we’re in serious danger of free falling into League One or worse, and that this is our punishment for humiliating the powers that be by winning the league against their will. We do however have serious grounds to sue Man City and Everton which would be nice. 

[Aus Fox]

1 hour ago, BillyFOX12 said:

Still breaking EPL records, nice one lads! 

I keep seeing these figures mentioned, is the £402 million is that the money we have paid for players? Or a figure someone has made up based on someone’s perceived value of players?

 

[Les-TA-Jon]

8 minutes ago, Aus Fox said:

I keep seeing these figures mentioned, is the £402 million is that the money we have paid for players? Or a figure someone has made up based on someone’s perceived value of players?

 

Think it's purchase price not value - just a quick back of the fag packet calculation, comes to a similar figure:

 

[Duncan_K]

57 minutes ago, Les-TA-Jon said:

Time for my chart again...

 

Thank you, this is very informative (and to the post below too!) I think i'd let Mendy, Evans and Amartey go too, not interested in re-signing any of the current lot at this moment. Similarly Ndidi, Nacho and Choudhury i would let run their contracts down next season. 

 

The group with contracts from 2025-2028 need to get their heads around playing in the Championship. Yes some of them might be able to get a move, but we don't need to desperately sell them if offers are derisory. I would expect decent offers to come in for Barnes, Castagne and Justin but it's not certain. 

 

 

[coolhandfox]

1 hour ago, Ric Flair said:

Ouch 😂😂

People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones @Ric Flair

 

One word......

 

TETE  

 

[Aus Fox]

7 minutes ago, Les-TA-Jon said:

Think it's purchase price not value - just a quick back of the fag packet calculation, comes to a similar figure:

 

Thanks, when you look at it like that it’s pretty crazy isn’t it.

[Chelmofox]

It was all fear driven wasn't it. We stopped making decisions because of the fear or missing out. Didn't shift on Youri (even for a low ball fee) because we were worried we couldn't replace him with better. Renewed Vardy because we feared what would happen if we got rid of the Goat. Didn't shift the deadwood because we feared what would happen if we depleted the squad. Didn't recruit properly because we feared what would happen if we qualified for Europe again. And we didn't act on Rodgers quickly enough because we feared we couldn't get a better manager.  Didn't make cut throat decisions about Seagrave because we feared what people might think of our 100mil investment. A prolonged period of inactivity led to this. In hindisight, the club shouldn't have been scared of a big clear out in return for a few seasons a mid table mediocre finishes. Instead, all the assets they accumulated contributed to the huge fall from grace in the worst way imaginable. 

 

The biggest lesson learned should be quick, decisive actions needed at all times. You've got to be on top of it, otherwise this sport just spits you out. The club should forever more talk about 'Tielemans Syndrome', where you get caught in many minds and just decide to stay as you are, even though you know full well you really should have done something about it.

[Bourbon Fox]

1 hour ago, Les-TA-Jon said:

Time for my chart again...

 

Ah, did you put this on Reddit? I pinched it and couldn't credit you 

[The Year Of The Fox]

Lots of wise heads posting early on in this topic 

 

👏🏼 

[Bourbon Fox]

54 minutes ago, Les-TA-Jon said:

 

Can anyone come up with a 3rd way to present the same information!? 

Here is a handy infographic

 

[StriderHiryu]

10 minutes ago, Chelmofox said:

It was all fear driven wasn't it. We stopped making decisions because of the fear or missing out. Didn't shift on Youri (even for a low ball fee) because we were worried we couldn't replace him with better. Renewed Vardy because we feared what would happen if we got rid of the Goat. Didn't shift the deadwood because we feared what would happen if we depleted the squad. Didn't recruit properly because we feared what would happen if we qualified for Europe again. And we didn't act on Rodgers quickly enough because we feared we couldn't get a better manager.  Didn't make cut throat decisions about Seagrave because we feared what people might think of our 100mil investment. A prolonged period of inactivity led to this. In hindisight, the club shouldn't have been scared of a big clear out in return for a few seasons a mid table mediocre finishes. Instead, all the assets they accumulated contributed to the huge fall from grace in the worst way imaginable. 

 

The biggest lesson learned should be quick, decisive actions needed at all times. You've got to be on top of it, otherwise this sport just spits you out. The club should forever more talk about 'Tielemans Syndrome', where you get caught in many minds and just decide to stay as you are, even though you know full well you really should have done something about it.

Great post, couldn't have put it better myself.

 

Other clubs are learning from our mistakes. Brighton on paper could go backwards by selling Macalister and Caceido, but they are being smart and cashing in now and bringing in suitable reinforcements whilst they can.

 

Rodgers rightly gets pelters, but he did call out for members of the squad to be moved on, and he was right to do so. The club did't want to take a hit on the investments they had made, but now as a result they are going to take an even bigger hit and risk being stuck outside the top flight for a while. They were probably scared of being seen to not make a profit or in making a mistake. And look what's happened as a result.