LiberalFox Posted 9 February 2023 Posted 9 February 2023 54 minutes ago, ozleicester said: highly respected Pulitzer prize winning journalist... 5 minutes after i posted it.....did you actually read it? Typical ignorance if it doesn't fit your blinkered view its shit... Seymour Myron "Sy" Hersh (born April 8, 1937) is an American investigative journalist, and political writer.[6] Hersh first gained recognition in 1969 for exposing the My Lai Massacre and its cover-up during the Vietnam War, for which he received the 1970 Pulitzer Prize for International Reporting. During the 1970s, Hersh covered the Watergate scandal for The New York Times and revealed the clandestine bombing of Cambodia. In 2004, he reported on the U.S. military's mistreatment of detainees at Abu Ghraib prison. He has also won two National Magazine Awards and five George Polk Awards. In 2004, he received the George Orwell Award.[7] Hersh has accused the Obama administration of lying about the events surrounding the death of Osama bin Laden, and disputed the claim that the Assad regime used chemical weapons on civilians in the Syrian Civil War. Both assertions have stirred controversy. It doesn't sound very credible at all and isn't it more a case of the people willing to believe it are anti-west, far left types? 1
Daggers Posted 9 February 2023 Posted 9 February 2023 58 minutes ago, Jon the Hat said: Dealing with scummy families like these can lead to a lot of ongoing trouble. I broke up a fight and ended up being suspended for six months while the police investigated an allegation I physically assaulted one child by dragging him by his hair. He had a No.1 buzzcut. Thick twat and his mother didn’t even have the imagination or intelligence to create a half believable lie. Still, it was on full pay and in the summer so I spent six months getting pissed, watching the Japan World Cup and sunbathing. 1 2
The Year Of The Fox Posted 9 February 2023 Posted 9 February 2023 1 hour ago, Babylon said: But they did, you can google it and see all the pictures of it closed off in like 20 seconds. It is more nonsense churned out by idiots of Twitter, whose whole basis for it never being Searched or closed off off was based on it now being open. What’s her friend on about then? She’s clearly got her ear close to the ground.
ozleicester Posted 9 February 2023 Posted 9 February 2023 40 minutes ago, LiberalFox said: It doesn't sound very credible at all and isn't it more a case of the people willing to believe it are anti-west, far left types? I agree it sounds quite remarkable, though to be fair .....WMD, Gulf of Tonkin, Mai Ly, and MK Ultra etc etc... all sounded outrageous and "far left" The guy is a respected and reliable journalist with runs on the board, and the detail in the articles is pretty solid. I agree it needs to be questioned and investigated...but blind ignorance and denial is virtual Trumpism 3
Jon the Hat Posted 9 February 2023 Posted 9 February 2023 3 hours ago, ozleicester said: highly respected Pulitzer prize winning journalist... 5 minutes after i posted it.....did you actually read it? Typical ignorance if it doesn't fit your blinkered view its shit... Seymour Myron "Sy" Hersh (born April 8, 1937) is an American investigative journalist, and political writer.[6] Hersh first gained recognition in 1969 for exposing the My Lai Massacre and its cover-up during the Vietnam War, for which he received the 1970 Pulitzer Prize for International Reporting. During the 1970s, Hersh covered the Watergate scandal for The New York Times and revealed the clandestine bombing of Cambodia. In 2004, he reported on the U.S. military's mistreatment of detainees at Abu Ghraib prison. He has also won two National Magazine Awards and five George Polk Awards. In 2004, he received the George Orwell Award.[7] Hersh has accused the Obama administration of lying about the events surrounding the death of Osama bin Laden, and disputed the claim that the Assad regime used chemical weapons on civilians in the Syrian Civil War. Both assertions have stirred controversy. Yes I read it. This guy has been opposed to Magnitsky acts around the world. If Bill Browder thinks he’s a ****, I agree.
Jon the Hat Posted 9 February 2023 Posted 9 February 2023 2 hours ago, ozleicester said: I agree it sounds quite remarkable, though to be fair .....WMD, Gulf of Tonkin, Mai Ly, and MK Ultra etc etc... all sounded outrageous and "far left" The guy is a respected and reliable journalist with runs on the board, and the detail in the articles is pretty solid. I agree it needs to be questioned and investigated...but blind ignorance and denial is virtual Trumpism You are better than that nonsense.
ozleicester Posted 9 February 2023 Posted 9 February 2023 20 minutes ago, Jon the Hat said: You are better than that nonsense. I thought the same of you, however there was no way you read that entire report before dismissing it. People who denounce without investigation are simple trumpians... something is outside their belief , they instantly deny and shout it down...they dont bother to make the simplest effort because that might challenge their core beliefs. I have only respect for Browder, as i do for Hersch. Are you denying that the us government has been involved in acts of terrorism and lies in the past... even when the evidence in right in front of you? 3
Wymsey Posted 10 February 2023 Author Posted 10 February 2023 They really need to knock this site down.. https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/news/leicester-news/man-found-injured-outside-leicesters-8131533
Bordersfox Posted 10 February 2023 Posted 10 February 2023 22 hours ago, LiberalFox said: It doesn't sound very credible at all and isn't it more a case of the people willing to believe it are anti-west, far left types? Erm given America's history of covert operations which it then quite merrily lies about for decades (CIA involvement in Latin American regime change and drug smuggling anyone?) I'm afraid anyone who doesn't think this sort of operation is at least possible must be quite naive. Now I have no idea whether this is true and, yes, it seems far fetched to be honest, but to instantly dismiss it as the preserve of far left types (whatever that actually means) is silly. Oddly enough it was the left who called out America's involvement in Latin America and I'm sure they were labelled anti-west far left types as well. Unfortunately it turned out they were quite right. 3
Bordersfox Posted 10 February 2023 Posted 10 February 2023 (edited) 22 hours ago, LiberalFox said: Edited 10 February 2023 by Bordersfox Posted twice. Must have been the commies
LiberalFox Posted 10 February 2023 Posted 10 February 2023 1 hour ago, Bordersfox said: Erm given America's history of covert operations which it then quite merrily lies about for decades (CIA involvement in Latin American regime change and drug smuggling anyone?) I'm afraid anyone who doesn't think this sort of operation is at least possible must be quite naive. Now I have no idea whether this is true and, yes, it seems far fetched to be honest, but to instantly dismiss it as the preserve of far left types (whatever that actually means) is silly. Oddly enough it was the left who called out America's involvement in Latin America and I'm sure they were labelled anti-west far left types as well. Unfortunately it turned out they were quite right. I still think it's nonsense. I suppose I could compare it to my belief in God or some other deity. I'm an atheist, I don't believe in a deity. Some people will call that close minded. I know a fair few self identified Socialists and they tell me this guy is seen as someone who's no longer credible. So I go with that. The few associates of associates who are most interested are also people who want to 'both sides' the Ukraine conflict. I won't post more about this because I don't care that much about it. To me this is a conspiracy theory and I find conspiracy theories annoying but some people will see it differently and some people enjoy conspiracy theories.
Bordersfox Posted 10 February 2023 Posted 10 February 2023 24 minutes ago, LiberalFox said: I still think it's nonsense. I suppose I could compare it to my belief in God or some other deity. I'm an atheist, I don't believe in a deity. Some people will call that close minded. I know a fair few self identified Socialists and they tell me this guy is seen as someone who's no longer credible. So I go with that. The few associates of associates who are most interested are also people who want to 'both sides' the Ukraine conflict. I won't post more about this because I don't care that much about it. To me this is a conspiracy theory and I find conspiracy theories annoying but some people will see it differently and some people enjoy conspiracy theories. Self identify as socialists 😂 You mean they are socialists... that tickled me. I am atheist I am struggling to see of what relevance that is. There is no, and has never been any, scientific evidence of a deity. There have, though, been numerous well documented cases of government cover ups and specifically involving U.S. administrations. False equivalence. You haven't addressed the point about what once were conspiracy theories in due course being proven quite categorically to be true. This may not be one of those but as Oz rightly points out dismissing anything you don't agree with as 'annoying because it's a conspiracy theory' is Trumpian. And from reading your posts I don't think you are remotely Trumpian. For the record I don't believe this will be proven to be true and frankly don't care that much either. But I do take issue with your blanket 'lefty, anti-west' jibe which is why I had a nibble. I also don't believe there are two sides to the Ukraine conflict by the way. There is no excuse for the invasion of sovereign territory, whether that be Ukraine or Iraq. Have a pleasant weekend 😊 1
urban.spaceman Posted 10 February 2023 Posted 10 February 2023 New scandal brewing. Hopefully it's big enough to bring them down.
Captain... Posted 10 February 2023 Posted 10 February 2023 2 hours ago, urban.spaceman said: New scandal brewing. Hopefully it's big enough to bring them down. Why all this count down bollocks, if there is something out there why is not being published now?
Raj Posted 11 February 2023 Posted 11 February 2023 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-64600806 Come from war torn Syria and Afghanistan and get this welcome just because of unconfirmed social media posts... 1 1 3
urban.spaceman Posted 11 February 2023 Posted 11 February 2023 14 hours ago, Captain... said: Why all this count down bollocks, if there is something out there why is not being published now? It appears to be about government procurement cards. Presumably there's been widespread misuse.
tom27111 Posted 12 February 2023 Posted 12 February 2023 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-64614098 What the fvck is going on?
Zear0 Posted 12 February 2023 Posted 12 February 2023 6 hours ago, tom27111 said: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-64614098 What the fvck is going on?
Nick Posted 12 February 2023 Posted 12 February 2023 On 09/02/2023 at 10:33, Daggers said: I broke up a fight and ended up being suspended for six months while the police investigated an allegation I physically assaulted one child by dragging him by his hair. He had a No.1 buzzcut. Thick twat and his mother didn’t even have the imagination or intelligence to create a half believable lie. Still, it was on full pay and in the summer so I spent six months getting pissed, watching the Japan World Cup and sunbathing. Point on the doll to where Daggers didn't touch you.
samlcfc Posted 12 February 2023 Posted 12 February 2023 (edited) 9 hours ago, tom27111 said: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-64614098 What the fvck is going on? It seems as though such objects have been hanging around North America for a good while, although public reporting on their being shot down is a turn of events probably caused by the Chinese balloon having flown by in full view of civilians across the US. It probably happens all over the world, but the US military/intelligence agencies have had specific task forces set-up for a while in order to catalogue and identify objects picked up on radar and sighted by mostly Navy pilots it would seem. The subject has become more prominent in recent years due to Navy/Intelligence personnel publicy raising concerns that not enough was being done to safeguard US airspace and pilot safety. Had a few members of congress pick it up and the All-Domain Anomaly Resolution Office was created in 2022 to investigate and report back to congress bi-annually. There was a news article I think it was last year, claiming that a US Navy ship had been swarmed by objects over 3 consecutive nights. When I read it at the time, they hadn't identified what they were or what state they belonged to. Other articles claim that Navy pilots report seeing objects out off of the West coast daily during training. It appears these occurences were mostly ignored, other than the 2004 case which became quite famous due to the pilots/navigators claiming what they saw didn't marry up with their understanding of our current technology. It'll be interesting to see if this recent spate of shooting things down leads to any public acknowledgement of who is testing the airspace off of the coast. Considering all the data is captured by military technology however, I can't imagine we'll be seeing anything publically other than documents covered in black lines. They do have a public hearing of the report AARO has to deliver to congress, although it'll likely be watered down due to the military data angle. With regards to the bi-annual reports, the below was the first open subcomittee hearing in this respect and they had a closed one for congress also. Pretty dry but interesting listen in relation to recent news. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSDweUbGBow Edited 12 February 2023 by samlcfc 3
Raj Posted 13 February 2023 Posted 13 February 2023 I'll put this in here as the strike threads now been locked!!! https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-64626372 Well done to my union Unite fir getting this great deal over the line!!! Strikes dont work eh??? 1
bovril Posted 13 February 2023 Posted 13 February 2023 On 12/02/2023 at 02:23, tom27111 said: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-64614098 What the fvck is going on? just 96 more to go
Alf Bentley Posted 13 February 2023 Posted 13 February 2023 29 minutes ago, bovril said: just 96 more to go Specially for you..... 1
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