Super_horns Posted 4 February 2023 Share Posted 4 February 2023 7 hours ago, Raj said: Taking into account her family circumstances cant see any reason she wouldn't get in touch if she was safe and alive. Considering she joined a work call at the time and spoke to her boss prior, this doesnt seem like a person who is on the brink of doing something stupid. If she was in the river surely with the police resources the body would have been found by now, by the sound of it the rivers not immense and it was calm so wouldnt have moved miles? Something not right. They seem to be looking for this lady as a potential witness so maybe aren’t so certain now? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lancashire-64526426 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nnfox Posted 5 February 2023 Share Posted 5 February 2023 9 hours ago, Super_horns said: They seem to be looking for this lady as a potential witness so maybe aren’t so certain now? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lancashire-64526426 The whole thing reminds me of the Gillian Merrick case back in 2009, which was a little closer to home. 45 year old woman went for a walk by a river (albeit in the middle of the night) and never returned home. Her body was eventually found about 2.5 miles downstream 10 WEEKS later. So sad. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/northamptonshire/8418534.stm 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Year Of The Fox Posted 5 February 2023 Share Posted 5 February 2023 Absolutely no way is she in that river Someones abducted her, lying in wait potentially overnight. That’s my guess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nnfox Posted 5 February 2023 Share Posted 5 February 2023 2 hours ago, The Year Of The Fox said: Absolutely no way is she in that river Someones abducted her, lying in wait potentially overnight. That’s my guess There's some unusual aspects for sure, like the phone being left on the bench, but there were other dog walkers around, I would think it less likely that she's left the field and made it to some other place, either forcibly or complicitly, without anyone seeing her again. Unfortunately it's looking increasingly likely that she fell in. My fear is that the location is close enough to the coast that she may be washed out to sea and might never be found. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Year Of The Fox Posted 5 February 2023 Share Posted 5 February 2023 34 minutes ago, nnfox said: There's some unusual aspects for sure, like the phone being left on the bench, but there were other dog walkers around, I would think it less likely that she's left the field and made it to some other place, either forcibly or complicitly, without anyone seeing her again. Unfortunately it's looking increasingly likely that she fell in. My fear is that the location is close enough to the coast that she may be washed out to sea and might never be found. I’m sure I read the river there isn’t particularly deep. Surely some clothing would’ve washed up by now, somewhere? It reminds me a bit of John Darwin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StanSP Posted 7 February 2023 Share Posted 7 February 2023 That reprehensible cvnt David Carrick has been sentenced with 36 life sentences and minimum 30yrs in prison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st albans fox Posted 7 February 2023 Share Posted 7 February 2023 9 hours ago, StanSP said: That reprehensible cvnt David Carrick has been sentenced with 36 life sentences and minimum 30yrs in prison. Why should the sentences run concurrently? Surely that’s a lack of deterrent to commit multiple crimes ?? The guy should never be released and should have no possibility of parole 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legend_in_blue Posted 7 February 2023 Share Posted 7 February 2023 On 05/02/2023 at 19:48, nnfox said: There's some unusual aspects for sure, like the phone being left on the bench, but there were other dog walkers around, I would think it less likely that she's left the field and made it to some other place, either forcibly or complicitly, without anyone seeing her again. Unfortunately it's looking increasingly likely that she fell in. My fear is that the location is close enough to the coast that she may be washed out to sea and might never be found. The guy that has been brought in to do the sonar on the river believes that she hasn't fallen in at all. Two days gone by using this high tech equipment and still nothing. The police have mentioned today in their update that there is an avenue of escape from the area to the nearby A road that isn't covered by cameras. Albeit a slim possibility the fact that this exists as a possible means of escape is something that cannot be discounted but the police are pursuing their original hypothesis regardless. Or at least that is what they would lead us to believe. It's all very strange especially when this expert has been brought in to help and has made such conflicting statements in comparison with what the local police have said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Countryfox Posted 7 February 2023 Share Posted 7 February 2023 If she’s not in the water she’s alive. If she’s alive she’s either been taken or planned it herself. Very unlikely she planned it as she left the dog unattended .. much easier ways to do it. If she’d been abducted someone would most likely have seen it .. possible but very unlikely. My money is that she will be found in the river. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
urban.spaceman Posted 8 February 2023 Share Posted 8 February 2023 I think the cops are definitely holding stuff back from the public. There's much more going on than meets the eye. It's like they're trying to draw someone out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon the Hat Posted 8 February 2023 Share Posted 8 February 2023 45 minutes ago, urban.spaceman said: I think the cops are definitely holding stuff back from the public. There's much more going on than meets the eye. It's like they're trying to draw someone out. More likely there is literally no evidence of anything other than they cannot see her, and she is therefore in the river somewhere. For me the fact the dog remained there while loose says she didn't leave the field any other way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nnfox Posted 8 February 2023 Share Posted 8 February 2023 7 hours ago, st albans fox said: Why should the sentences run concurrently? Surely that’s a lack of deterrent to commit multiple crimes ?? The guy should never be released and should have no possibility of parole I would think it highly unlikely he would have received anywhere near 30 years if he had committed one offence, so the whole thing would be taken into account in this case, but I agree; in general, most sentences for multiple crimes run concurrently. I've never really understood why. It does promote a sense of "Well if I'm going to commit one, I may as well commit a few because it won't add much to my sentence". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Year Of The Fox Posted 8 February 2023 Share Posted 8 February 2023 7 hours ago, Countryfox said: If she’s not in the water she’s alive. If she’s alive she’s either been taken or planned it herself. Very unlikely she planned it as she left the dog unattended .. much easier ways to do it. If she’d been abducted someone would most likely have seen it .. possible but very unlikely. My money is that she will be found in the river. Why would she be alive if she’s not gone into the river? Her walk was routine. Anyone with ill will towards her could’ve accessed her route overnight and lay in wait Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicsmac Posted 8 February 2023 Share Posted 8 February 2023 47 minutes ago, nnfox said: I would think it highly unlikely he would have received anywhere near 30 years if he had committed one offence, so the whole thing would be taken into account in this case, but I agree; in general, most sentences for multiple crimes run concurrently. I've never really understood why. It does promote a sense of "Well if I'm going to commit one, I may as well commit a few because it won't add much to my sentence". I think it's to avoid the rather stupid situation where some American serial killer gets 86434778 years because of their body count. I'm totally in favour of whole life sentences as a result of multiple convicted crimes not running concurrently where the nature of the crime calls for it, but it doesn't need to look ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain... Posted 8 February 2023 Share Posted 8 February 2023 8 hours ago, st albans fox said: Why should the sentences run concurrently? Surely that’s a lack of deterrent to commit multiple crimes ?? The guy should never be released and should have no possibility of parole That's how it works in the UK. What's the point of giving him 36 life sentences to be served consecutively? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st albans fox Posted 8 February 2023 Share Posted 8 February 2023 32 minutes ago, Captain... said: That's how it works in the UK. What's the point of giving him 36 life sentences to be served consecutively? Because he gets out of prison in 32 years ! This guy will be an old man by then but if he was thirty now then that still means he has possible decades of freedom. I believe the sentence will be appealed by the crown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Innovindil Posted 8 February 2023 Share Posted 8 February 2023 5 minutes ago, st albans fox said: Because he gets out of prison in 32 years ! This guy will be an old man by then but if he was thirty now then that still means he has possible decades of freedom. I believe the sentence will be appealed by the crown No he doesn't. It's a minimum of 32 years, not maximum. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solihullfox Posted 8 February 2023 Share Posted 8 February 2023 9 hours ago, st albans fox said: Why should the sentences run concurrently? Surely that’s a lack of deterrent to commit multiple crimes ?? The guy should never be released and should have no possibility of parole He will only be allowed to ask for parole in 30 years time and there is little chance of him ever being released even though he’ll be 78 years old at that point. Very likely that as an ex copper and multiple rapist he will be unlikely to get through a 30 year prison sentence without someone getting to him and ending any chance of him ever being able to appear before a parole board Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st albans fox Posted 8 February 2023 Share Posted 8 February 2023 44 minutes ago, Innovindil said: No he doesn't. It's a minimum of 32 years, not maximum. it’s also the message it sends it doesn’t seem like justice for all those women if he keeps his nose clean for the next 32 years then I’m sure he gets parole at 78 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st albans fox Posted 8 February 2023 Share Posted 8 February 2023 28 minutes ago, Solihullfox said: He will only be allowed to ask for parole in 30 years time and there is little chance of him ever being released even though he’ll be 78 years old at that point. Very likely that as an ex copper and multiple rapist he will be unlikely to get through a 30 year prison sentence without someone getting to him and ending any chance of him ever being able to appear before a parole board Point a) why ? point b) I agree but that’s irrelevant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babylon Posted 8 February 2023 Share Posted 8 February 2023 9 hours ago, Legend_in_blue said: The guy that has been brought in to do the sonar on the river believes that she hasn't fallen in at all. Two days gone by using this high tech equipment and still nothing. The police have mentioned today in their update that there is an avenue of escape from the area to the nearby A road that isn't covered by cameras. Albeit a slim possibility the fact that this exists as a possible means of escape is something that cannot be discounted but the police are pursuing their original hypothesis regardless. Or at least that is what they would lead us to believe. It's all very strange especially when this expert has been brought in to help and has made such conflicting statements in comparison with what the local police have said. That "expert" has been very contradictory and seems to like the limelight a little bit too much. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babylon Posted 8 February 2023 Share Posted 8 February 2023 2 hours ago, The Year Of The Fox said: Why would she be alive if she’s not gone into the river? Her walk was routine. Anyone with ill will towards her could’ve accessed her route overnight and lay in wait It's a rather high risk pace to be doing so, with other walkers about, in broad daylight, and not exactly easy to get her anywhere from that location without her kicking up a fuss. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wymsey Posted 8 February 2023 Author Share Posted 8 February 2023 (edited) The investigation does show the true colours of terrible people; i.e., those breaking into innocent people's houses to claim they're told to search their property to 'look' for her and the conspiracy theories.. Edited 8 February 2023 by Wymsey 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxy boxing Posted 8 February 2023 Share Posted 8 February 2023 The church of England possibly going gender neutral, may stop referring to God as "He".to be more inclusive. Things progress, evolve and the church needs to do the same as things that don't evolve or progress tend to die out like the dinosaurs which for some reason were never mentioned in the bible. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nnfox Posted 8 February 2023 Share Posted 8 February 2023 1 hour ago, Babylon said: That "expert" has been very contradictory and seems to like the limelight a little bit too much. I thought exactly this. I imagine him sitting at home saying that the police divers were doing it all wrong and that he can go in with all of his specialist kit, find her in a day and bask in the glory of all the free publicity. Then reality strikes and all he can say is that it's the strangest thing he's ever seen, and can't explain it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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