What's wrong with football today

[Nuneaton Foxster]

If Arsenal win the final game they could have won the league in 8 different previous seasons with the 84 pts including the year city won. Yet the manager has to apologise for not winning the league, fans having a go at the players, commentators saying they bottled it. Not the fact they one of the top two teams in England, play good attacking football.

 

You can say this about every club in England, supporters are never happy, look at Leicester we were league champions, finish 5th 2 years running and won trophies. Yet even at that time so called fans were calling for change in the manager because we didn't get 4th or won the league.

 

Only 6 teams haven't be relegated from the premiership so the other 14 have ups and downs and could be relegated.

 

Enjoy supporting Leicester and make the most of the good times because there will be as many not so good times.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Vindaloo FOX]

Maddison 

[Captain...]

1 minute ago, Nuneaton Foxster said:

If Arsenal win the final game they could have won the league in 8 different previous seasons with the 84 pts including the year city won. Yet the manager has to apologise for not winning the league, fans having a go at the players, commentators saying they bottled it. Not the fact they one of the top two teams in England, play good attacking football.

 

You can say this about every club in England, supporters are never happy, look at Leicester we were league champions, finish 5th 2 years running and won trophies. Yet even at that time so called fans were calling for change in the manager because we didn't get 4th or won the league.

 

Only 6 teams haven't be relegated from the premiership so the other 14 have ups and downs and could be relegated.

 

Enjoy supporting Leicester and make the most of the good times because there will be as many not so good times.

 

 

 

 

 

 

The answer is fan entitlement and toxic social media. 

 

Any Arsenal fans losing their shit over this season needs to have a word. It's obviously disappointing but their season fell apart with an injury to Saliba and it just highlighted the issue that every other club faces when competing with Man City. Squad depth. 

[Mark 'expert' Lawrenson]

Problem is what has there been to enjoy this season? It’s very difficult to enjoy watching a team of clumsy, half hearted, negative players. 

[Pliskin]

What’s the premiership? 

[BigGibbo]

6 minutes ago, Nuneaton Foxster said:

If Arsenal win the final game they could have won the league in 8 different previous seasons with the 84 pts including the year city won. Yet the manager has to apologise for not winning the league, fans having a go at the players, commentators saying they bottled it. Not the fact they one of the top two teams in England, play good attacking football.

 

You can say this about every club in England, supporters are never happy, look at Leicester we were league champions, finish 5th 2 years running and won trophies. Yet even at that time so called fans were calling for change in the manager because we didn't get 4th or won the league.

 

Only 6 teams haven't be relegated from the premiership so the other 14 have ups and downs and could be relegated.

 

Enjoy supporting Leicester and make the most of the good times because there will be as many not so good times.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Our two positions are not comparable.

 

Arsenal over-achieved, in a season they started not even in the discussion for Champions, with a brilliant young squad that just didn't have enough depth or anything like Man C's quality to see it over the line.

 

We, save for a miracle change in our players mind-sets, managed to get relegated in a season we started not even in the discussion for relegation (aside from astute members of our own fan base).

 

They are not the same.

[Nuneaton Foxster]

I believe referees are ignoring some rules of the game,.

 

Obstruction - a player deliberately blocking a player when they havent got controll of the ball,  either running across a player to block then off and moving there arms out wide to block a player.

 

Since when has shirt pulling part of football, book all players that pull shirts or man handle another player.

 

Showing any form of decent to an official or even questioning a decision should be shown a yellow card.

 

Yellow cards are meaningless currently, professional fouls the advantage goes to the team that committs the foul.

 

Time wasting, once the whistle is blown the only team that can then touch the is the team taking the throw in or kick.

 

I would also replace yellow cards with 19 min sin bins as a deterrant. No manager with allow player to be taken of the pitch and clean up the game.

 

Why is European referees better than English refs.

[davieG]

Premier league creation, the Champion's League set up, distribution of football income.

[Wasyls Pec Deck]

That the football authorities seem powerless to meaningfully punish teams who cheat 

[Wymsey]

Judging by yesterday's results/how it unfolded, think they probably 'support' Everton or Liverpool..

 

The 9 minutes of extra-time yesterday for the former, without any real justification, was just madness really.

Edited 21 May 2023 by Wymsey

[Nuneaton Foxster]

33 minutes ago, Vindaloo FOX said:

Maddison 

Very insightful comment 

[Nuneaton Foxster]

29 minutes ago, Mark 'expert' Lawrenson said:

Problem is what has there been to enjoy this season? It’s very difficult to enjoy watching a team of clumsy, half hearted, negative players. 

Then don't go if your not happy

[foxy boxing]

Greed

Fans wanting instant success

The rich clubs wanting a 'closed shop' so no one does "a Leicester" again

Bad refereeing

Corrupt FIFA

Rich clubs getting away with bending and breaking rules

 

[Super_horns]

1 hour ago, Nuneaton Foxster said:

 

 

Why is European referees better than English refs.

Are they that much better though  consistently? - seems to be a lot of criticisms of them in the Spanish and German leagues for example.

 

Particularly regarding how VAR is used

 

But we don't see their errors week in week out.

 

Same for the way players and teams cheat/act.

 

No-one seems to take control or it or prepared to do so. 

 

Bit like clubs are allowed to break all sorts of rules and get away with limited punishment. 

Edited 21 May 2023 by Super_horns

[Corky]

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Gary Weaver

Neville and Carragher

Jim White

Half and half scarves

Nobodies on YouTube being given airtime

Time wasting

Sloop John B megamix

Monday Night Football

Jake Humphrey

Fletch and Macca

 

I chose not to like these, I chose something else.

[Nalis]

Two things I cant stand from football fans is a desire towards the status quo and an obsession with players who are the children of famous past players.

 

The first one is annyoing, the usual comments of Leicester being back to their place in the lower end of the premier league.

 

The second one I've always found strange. kids of players getting to play for whatever youth team they want thanks to nepotism, I honesty couldnt give a fvck if Romeo Beckham makes it or that Rooneys son scored 5 in an under 12 match or some dross like that.

[Nuneaton Foxster]

1 hour ago, Super_horns said:

Are they that much better though  consistently? - seems to be a lot of criticisms of them in the Spanish and German leagues for example.

 

Particularly regarding how VAR is used

 

But we don't see their errors week in week out.

 

Same for the way players and teams cheat/act.

 

No-one seems to take control or it or prepared to do so. 

 

Bit like clubs are allowed to break all sorts of rules and get away with limited punishment. 

VAR was brought in due to errors highlighted by the media, I understand errors from the on field ref. He see it from one perspective, VAR should not make any errors and not be frightened to highlight all errors by a ref.

[BKLFox]

Watched MotDx last night and the list was players that used the “Dark Arts”, now just the phrase annoys me because it’s cheating and shouldn’t be put up as this team that player are good at the dark arts and saved their team there and it’s celebrated..it’s cheating simple as.

 

For instance they were discussing David Luis and showed a clip where he’s tackled loses the ball goes down rolls around holding his shins although shins never got touched and to cap it camera pans to his face and he’s smiling and winking to the crowd (close to corner flag I think it was) and he gets the foul.

This is the crap that does me just feigning injury to get a foul but reality is they are trying to get players sent off to gain the advantage which stinks.

 

Earlier in thread someone said refs better in Europe, they are most certainly not and suffer the same as our refs even more so with the play acting.

The Milan CL 1st leg classic example where 2 teams have come together & try and get a player sent off instead of playing.
Same with the el’classico few years back some of the best players in world football and they just resort to cheating and once 1 team has numerical man advantage because either Ramos, Puyol or the likes get sent off they start to showboat, just do it from the off just play football for the love of god.

[Mark 'expert' Lawrenson]

2 hours ago, Nuneaton Foxster said:

Then don't go if your not happy

What a ridiculous response, so what you’re saying then is that you’re happy with this seasons performance? 
You must be very easily pleased, smiling all the way to the championship.

It is still possible to support your team and not be happy you know.

 

[Samilktray]

The price of a football shirt is a joke. Feel for anyone with kids who has to fork out £50+ to keep them happy 

[Super_horns]

57 minutes ago, Nuneaton Foxster said:

VAR was brought in due to errors highlighted by the media, I understand errors from the on field ref. He see it from one perspective, VAR should not make any errors and not be frightened to highlight all errors by a ref.

Trouble is a lot of decisions are subjective and people say the VAR gets involved too much putting pressure on the ref .

[Mike Oxlong]

Money has ruined football. I preferred the days when the win bonus made all the difference to a player’s lifestyle 

[filbertway]

Refs think they're conductors rather than referees. Allowing players to get away with stuff because they don't want to spoil the game or be blamed for a bad result.

 

The way VAR is used is generally detrimental to the game and kills the joy of celebrating a goal

 

More and more clubs treating supporters as customers and willing to rinse them for as much money as possible at any opportunity.

 

Competitions being changed for the sole purpose of increasing revenue. At Domestic and International level.

 

The generation of youtube  pundits. Very little of interest to say, they just overact and shout cliches louder than others.

 

[Aus Fox]

The phrase ‘bottled it’ teams simply run out of steam, Spurs ran out of steam in 15/16, we did the 2 years we finished 5th and Arsenal did this year.

Teams that play at a pace to keep up with the likes of Man City, without having the squad to rotate will always fall away in the latter part of the season - unless they are not in Europe and make early exits/ play the youth and ressies in the cup comps. 
I hate the phrase as it’s not actually what happens, Man City’s multi billion dollar spending spree - and Chelsea before them have set ridiculous levels for squads to try and reach and they simply break themselves trying.

[filbertway]

22 minutes ago, Aus Fox said:

The phrase ‘bottled it’ teams simply run out of steam, Spurs ran out of steam in 15/16, we did the 2 years we finished 5th and Arsenal did this year.

Teams that play at a pace to keep up with the likes of Man City, without having the squad to rotate will always fall away in the latter part of the season - unless they are not in Europe and make early exits/ play the youth and ressies in the cup comps. 
I hate the phrase as it’s not actually what happens, Man City’s multi billion dollar spending spree - and Chelsea before them have set ridiculous levels for squads to try and reach and they simply break themselves trying.

 

For me, going on a ridiculous run of consistently dropping points against teams you should be beating is bottling it. If you suddenly hit relegation form when the pressure is on, then in my opinion it's bottling. If you keep picking up points at a respectable rate but it's not enough then fair play.

 

Newcastle have played a fairly similar team throughout, weirdly not ran out of steam. Brighton have been consistent to the end and picked up a top 6 finish.

 

Arsenal have basically been playing 1 game a week since the turn of the year, to claim "they ran out of steam" is wild. 25 games in 20 weeks since the turn of the year.