Tactics Under Maresca

[Lesta2014]

Interesting that on training pics the coaches seem to be playing active roles in drills, wonder what their instruction is as it looks like they are shadowing players/pressing them? 

[sacreblueits442]

52 minutes ago, Lesta2014 said:

Interesting that on training pics the coaches seem to be playing active roles in drills, wonder what their instruction is as it looks like they are shadowing players/pressing them? 

...just goes to show what an easy ride the previous regime had!!!

Perhaps Maresca is indoctrinating his backroom team into his style of play and hoping to get the trickle-down effect. I imagine if Andy King is looking for a coaching role, now would be a good time to come in and take over the U21s, using Maresca's approach and style of play. It is a good place to start.

[Lesta2014]

28 minutes ago, sacreblueits442 said:

...just goes to show what an easy ride the previous regime had!!!

Perhaps Maresca is indoctrinating his backroom team into his style of play and hoping to get the trickle-down effect. I imagine if Andy King is looking for a coaching role, now would be a good time to come in and take over the U21s, using Maresca's approach and style of play. It is a good place to start.

Signed new deal at Bristol I think. 

[deep blue]

12 hours ago, lcfc_forever said:

I'd recommend listening to the latest BBC Radio Leicester podcast.

 

Interview with Guillem Balague and so much to get excited about, some key points:

 

1. Maresca had a few choices about where to join but chose Leicester. He's really impressed by Seagrave and the club infrastructure, and the board have entrusted him to put his stamp on the club. 

2. While the coaches have been impressed with how quickly the players have taken to the new style of playing (something @StriderHiryu highlighted), it's just the start - things like the 4-3-3 into 3-4-2-1 will be less obvious, and the players will adapt into more positions and tactics. 

3. Although more players will leave, some players who wanted to leave have changed their mind having worked with Maresca and now want to stay. I wonder if Ricardo is one of them? He's interviewed after the segment with Balague and sounded happy about the new style of play and his role. 

4. Big recruitment focus is now on wingers. He expects the club are looking at 2, if not 3 wingers - that doesn't include Mavididi. 

5. People need to be patient. He hasn't got the players he wants yet, he'll have the squad closer to his vision by the end of the transfer window and the playing style will get more nuanced and diverse. 

 

There's other points I've not covered but I felt optimistic. Appreciate a lot of fans are unhappy with the board and rightly so for the debacle of last season, but looks like they've making strides towards rectifying it with attracting Maresca and the potential he brings. 

Thanks for taking the trouble to put together that precis.  Positive signs.    Feel more optimistic now;.

[An Sionnach]

Remember, Maresca's "tactics" were a failure at Parma so any rigid idea of how we will play is probably wrong. The opposition will quickly work it out and attempt to neutralise it. Results will depend on having better quality players who put in the 100% percent effort we need - match in match out.

[sacreblueits442]

2 hours ago, An Sionnach said:

Remember, Maresca's "tactics" were a failure at Parma so any rigid idea of how we will play is probably wrong. The opposition will quickly work it out and attempt to neutralise it. Results will depend on having better quality players who put in the 100% percent effort we need - match in match out.

...his Parma exploits were not a failure, it was a solid base that he was looking to build on!!!

Parma however expected them to have been pushing for promotion immediately and pulled the plug. It was not something that Maresca was expecting, instant promotion was not something that was agreed.

  We may very well experience the same bedding in process, and results may just slide away on the wrong side, but his process was not a failure, he needed time.

[An Sionnach]

27 minutes ago, sacreblueits442 said:

...his Parma exploits were not a failure, it was a solid base that he was looking to build on!!!

Parma however expected them to have been pushing for promotion immediately and pulled the plug. It was not something that Maresca was expecting, instant promotion was not something that was agreed.

  We may very well experience the same bedding in process, and results may just slide away on the wrong side, but his process was not a failure, he needed time.

I entirely agree with you and I am sure the club will be patient .On here however , not so much. A couple of losses in a row and predictably some on here will be at his throat. A lot of managers though think they have got the answers but very few have , we shall see , but I am expecting it to be tough going , at least to start with.

[Shane]

Will we play with a traditional LWB? Against Northampton we started with two wing backs but Castagne wasn't bombing down the left he was creating overloads on the right with Praet.

 

I'm guessing Madividi will play in Wanya's position and the plan is to overload the right flank, which will hopefully create space for Madividi on the left to exploit when we switch the play.

 

 

Edited 26 July 2023 by Shane

[StriderHiryu]

 

 

Ndidi was impressive in his cameo against Northampton, and follows it up here with a goal. This goal was quite similar to the chance he had with his left foot in that game, but this time it was on his right foot so very easy to tap in. Ndidi is famous for his terrible goal attempts for us, but anyone can be a tap-in merchant, the trick is having a system that creates cut-back opportunities and having midfielders with the engine and drive to make the runs to get onto the end of it, but who can also get back if the ball is turned over.

 

You'd still assume that it's a position we will replace and / or let Wilf go, but I think it's quite clever from Maresca. In this role he doesn't have to worry so much about receiving the ball in dangerous areas under pressure and can instead hunt down the ball and get involved. Kante was the best central midfielder that has probably ever played for us, but he wasn't an out and out DM either, he was box-to-box and thrived when being able to play his natural game. Wilf also has an excellent aerial duel success rate because of his height. Playing a bit further forward and being more free could stop opposing teams from playing long to get out of our high press, and could help us find a ball out from Hermansen, who we know is good on the ball.

 

Will be interesting to see who starts in that position vs Coventry. Praet, Ndidi or someone who hasn't joined the club yet.

[CosbehFox]

For me Enzo is prioritising winks as the deepest midfielder over Wilf due to the nature of the system and likely possession we will have in a lot of games. Almost feels as though he anticipates Wilf being off and replaceable within it 

[StriderHiryu]

Here's an example of Man City pulling off a cutback. This one is pretty skilled because of Mahrez's pass, but the point is that the finisher, Bernardo in this case, has a pretty easy job. Get to the ball first and pass it into the back of the net! I play football myself and also play as a CM. I am an awful footballer, but strangely in 11 a side I score a decent amount of goals, and they are all like this. Just like I hope Ndidi will be, I am a tap-in merchant!

 

Point is if you setup the system correctly, you can make this type of chance very frequently. Burnley fans will tell you they scored tons of goals like this under Kompany last season, so expect to see our fair share too.

 

[StriderHiryu]

@Finnegan@kingfox@moore_94 @Ric Flair

 

Wanted to point you in the direction of this awesome Chrome / Firefox Extension I found:

 

https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/fbcharts/ogkjijheeoanpdacakgofneeagpakbnb?hl=en-GB

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-CA/firefox/addon/fbcharts/

 

(Note: you may have to go to your extensions manager and manually allow it to always have permissions on FBRef, I needed to do this to get it to work properly)

 

It gives you radial charts of players on FB Ref like this:

 

 

Even better, you can use it to compare players, and it makes things much clearer to analyse.

 

 

Here are comparisons between Mavididi and Barnes via radials, and here we see clearly all of the points that Finnegan made, about Mavididi being quite similar with regard to Barnes, but whilst having scored fewer goals, he does more work defensively and is much better at taking a man on rather than always relying on the one-two to get a goal-scoring attempt.

 

I thought about putting this in the Transfer forums, but think it might be more applicable here as we might want to compare our own players between one another, like this:

 

 

The difference between Ndidi and Winks couldn't be more clear! Ndidi is great at winning the ball back, but does sod all with it, other than play it back to the goalkeeper. Whereas Winks is pretty bad at tackling, but on the ball knows how to play.

 

 

 

Edited 26 July 2023 by StriderHiryu

[moore_94]

2 minutes ago, StriderHiryu said:

@Finnegan@kingfox@moore_94

 

Wanted to point you in the direction of this awesome Chrome / Firefox Extension I found:

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-CA/firefox/addon/fbcharts/

 

It gives you radial charts of players on FB Ref like this:

 

 

Even better, you can use it to compare players, and it makes things much clearer to analyse.

 

 

Here are comparisons between Mavididi and Barnes via radials, and here we see clearly all of the points that Finnegan made, about Mavididi being quite similar with regard to Barnes, but whilst having scored fewer goals, he does more work defensively and is much better at taking a man on rather than always relying on the one-two to get a goal-scoring attempt.

 

I thought about putting this in the Transfer forums, but think it might be more applicable here as we might want to compare our own players between one another, like this:

 

 

The difference between Ndidi and Winks couldn't be more clear! Ndidi is great at winning the ball back, but does sod all with it, other than play it back to the goalkeeper. Whereas Winks is pretty bad at tackling, but on the ball knows how to play.

See you in a few hours, going to go looking at hundreds of players with this 

[StriderHiryu]

1 minute ago, moore_94 said:

See you in a few hours, going to go looking at hundreds of players with this 

Quite frankly, if I don't see a full and comprehensive report on all of the problem positions the club needs with radials and eye-test analysis by tomorrow morning, I won't be angry, I will just be disappointed.

 

 

[FoxesWalk]

4 minutes ago, StriderHiryu said:

@Finnegan@kingfox@moore_94

 

Wanted to point you in the direction of this awesome Chrome / Firefox Extension I found:

 

https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/fbcharts/ogkjijheeoanpdacakgofneeagpakbnb?hl=en-GB

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-CA/firefox/addon/fbcharts/

 

It gives you radial charts of players on FB Ref like this:

 

 

Even better, you can use it to compare players, and it makes things much clearer to analyse.

 

 

Here are comparisons between Mavididi and Barnes via radials, and here we see clearly all of the points that Finnegan made, about Mavididi being quite similar with regard to Barnes, but whilst having scored fewer goals, he does more work defensively and is much better at taking a man on rather than always relying on the one-two to get a goal-scoring attempt.

 

I thought about putting this in the Transfer forums, but think it might be more applicable here as we might want to compare our own players between one another, like this:

 

 

The difference between Ndidi and Winks couldn't be more clear! Ndidi is great at winning the ball back, but does sod all with it, other than play it back to the goalkeeper. Whereas Winks is pretty bad at tackling, but on the ball knows how to play.

 

 

This looks really nice. Thanks for sharing. 

[LFox99]

2 minutes ago, moore_94 said:

See you in a few hours, going to go looking at hundreds of players with this 

FWD it to Rudders, though undoubtedly anything to do with transfers seems to land in his spam folder

[Wymsey]

It seems to me as if most LCFC fans see Rudkin as a dim person when they probably don't even know him.

Edited 27 July 2023 by Wymsey

[moore_94]

3 minutes ago, LFox99 said:

FWD it to Rudders, though undoubtedly anything to do with transfers seems to land in his spam folder

Too many pretty colours and words in place for Rudkin, I am afraid it would only scare him away from his computer for a few more days

Edited 26 July 2023 by moore_94

[LFox99]

1 minute ago, moore_94 said:

To many pretty colours and words in place for Rudkin, I am afraid it would only scare him away from his computer for a few more days

Who's that Brazilian fella, maybe we should give him a go

- John Rudkin

[PhillippaT]

12 minutes ago, StriderHiryu said:

@Finnegan@kingfox@moore_94 @Ric Flair

 

Wanted to point you in the direction of this awesome Chrome / Firefox Extension I found:

 

https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/fbcharts/ogkjijheeoanpdacakgofneeagpakbnb?hl=en-GB

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-CA/firefox/addon/fbcharts/

 

(Note: you may have to go to your extensions manager and manually allow it to always have permissions on FBRef, I needed to do this to get it to work properly)

 

It gives you radial charts of players on FB Ref like this:

 

 

Even better, you can use it to compare players, and it makes things much clearer to analyse.

 

 

Here are comparisons between Mavididi and Barnes via radials, and here we see clearly all of the points that Finnegan made, about Mavididi being quite similar with regard to Barnes, but whilst having scored fewer goals, he does more work defensively and is much better at taking a man on rather than always relying on the one-two to get a goal-scoring attempt.

 

I thought about putting this in the Transfer forums, but think it might be more applicable here as we might want to compare our own players between one another, like this:

 

 

The difference between Ndidi and Winks couldn't be more clear! Ndidi is great at winning the ball back, but does sod all with it, other than play it back to the goalkeeper. Whereas Winks is pretty bad at tackling, but on the ball knows how to play.

 

 

 

If only we could combine them, but then they wouldn't be playing for us   

[StriderHiryu]

10 minutes ago, LFox99 said:

FWD it to Rudders, though undoubtedly anything to do with transfers seems to land in his spam folder

Maybe Martyn Glover takes it seriously though!

 

In fact I think both he and the data team DO take it very seriously indeed. Let's compare Kristiansen to Thomas:

 

 

We were struggling defensively, especially at set-pieces, so look at those aerial won statistics, as well as tackles. That's why we signed him.

 

 

 

 

Edited 26 July 2023 by StriderHiryu

[sheffield_fox]

Really appreciate your effort with this Strider. Really interesting stuff. 

[kingfox]

15 minutes ago, StriderHiryu said:

@Finnegan@kingfox@moore_94 @Ric Flair

 

Wanted to point you in the direction of this awesome Chrome / Firefox Extension I found:

 

https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/fbcharts/ogkjijheeoanpdacakgofneeagpakbnb?hl=en-GB

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-CA/firefox/addon/fbcharts/

 

(Note: you may have to go to your extensions manager and manually allow it to always have permissions on FBRef, I needed to do this to get it to work properly)

 

It gives you radial charts of players on FB Ref like this:

 

 

Even better, you can use it to compare players, and it makes things much clearer to analyse.

 

 

Here are comparisons between Mavididi and Barnes via radials, and here we see clearly all of the points that Finnegan made, about Mavididi being quite similar with regard to Barnes, but whilst having scored fewer goals, he does more work defensively and is much better at taking a man on rather than always relying on the one-two to get a goal-scoring attempt.

 

I thought about putting this in the Transfer forums, but think it might be more applicable here as we might want to compare our own players between one another, like this:

 

 

The difference between Ndidi and Winks couldn't be more clear! Ndidi is great at winning the ball back, but does sod all with it, other than play it back to the goalkeeper. Whereas Winks is pretty bad at tackling, but on the ball knows how to play.

 

 

 

Finners & myself mentioned in the same post 😲 That wouldn’t have happened on this forum between the years of 2012-2015 

 

Jokes aside, you need to go looking for radial charts like this via WyScout, they are far more broader than FBRef.  

[StriderHiryu]

Just now, sheffield_fox said:

Really appreciate your effort with this Strider. Really interesting stuff. 

This is the polite way of saying:

"Strider needs to get laid"

 

Luckily, I have made radial charts of two potential future girlfriends and I am weighing up their relative strengths and weaknesses. I have also loaned a wingman who is going to help me with a simple chat-up tap-in to get the number to go out on a date when the target has been selected. All of the pre-season preparation seems to be working out here

[Finnegan]

Luke Thomas tackling