Expectations now for the new season?

[Foxin_Mad]

If nothing else happens which seems likely with the absolute tosswit Rudkin running the show we will be down towards the bottom. 

[Bazly]

With reports Kel and Barnes are in the escape hatch ready to be jettisoned that's about 90% of our Premier League goals from last year scorers departed or departing. A lot is going to rest on Daka this upcoming season, a hell of a lot. In Daka we trust. 

 

When clubs have gone down they tend to retain the core, the backbone of their squads with a couple of we are too good departures. Our players will be a group of strangers heading out against Coventry. It'll be scary time that could deliver anything so how anyone can offer a prediction is beyond me. I keep breaking open the tea bags for a look but they aren't speaking to me. Other than, I wouldn't put a penny on the bookies 2-1 favourites to win the league. If it were 20-1, then maybe.

[fuchsntf]

45 minutes ago, Aus Fox said:

At this stage, and with plenty of business still to do before the season starts, we have an international footballer in almost every position.

I am not sure how many other clubs in the Championship can say the same, with that in mind, the expectation has to be to win the league, or at least gain promotion.

We will have a clearer picture of the squad in the coming weeks and expectations will be adjusted.

I have learnt also following other teams through Europe…

Just because you have internationals doesn’t not mean they are of higher quality.

Some not better than Championship-1st Div. sides…
Few Oceanic-sides can compete let’s say against African nations.

Few African nations can compete against European sides…

Nice to have,good for marketing,and some individuals can cut and make that higher

level..

So a stamped squad full of internationals is no guarantee you have a better choice

of players….

[Mike Oxlong]

I’m really looking forward to the new season as everything had gone so stale and we desperately needed a fresh start. I don’t expect promotion but like to think that at worst we will be in the mix for the play offs with possibly improvement through the season after a sluggish start. That said, there is still a part of me that thinks that we just shouldn’t be in the championship this season but hopefully that won’t colour my view of the start of better things 

[Guest Mickyblueeyes]

I don’t see us starting very well. I just don’t see how. Enzo is running a pre-season campaign with two genuine pre-season games (the rest in a tournament in Singapore). If you asked him how many that are working with him are to stay, I think he’d be unsure. How could he possibly plan anything. 
 

It will also take time to adapt to his style etc. I think if we see anything it will be towards the end of the season.

 

It’s going to be a few years before we get back. Hopefully with new heroes, management, leadership and if we are lucky, ownership, 

[inckley fox]

10 minutes ago, Mickyblueeyes said:

I don’t see us starting very well. I just don’t see how. Enzo is running a pre-season campaign with two genuine pre-season games (the rest in a tournament in Singapore). If you asked him how many that are working with him are to stay, I think he’d be unsure. How could he possibly plan anything. 
 

It will also take time to adapt to his style etc. I think if we see anything it will be towards the end of the season.

 

It’s going to be a few years before we get back. Hopefully with new heroes, management, leadership and if we are lucky, ownership, 

You never know, but I also have my doubts.

 

I suspect part of the reason they went for Maresca was that others raised important questions about their plans, and Maresca - possibly as a result of his inexperience - offered confident answers to them. Pre-season trip overseas? Maybe that was a problem for others, maybe not for Enzo. Lots of loanees? Well, he'd have offered all of the right connections. Lots of last-minute transfer activity? Don't worry, I'll cope. And can we still play like Man City, as has been our deepest-held desire since we became successful by doing the opposite of that? Absolutely!

 

Supposedly Marsch turned us down over our strategy upon relegation, and it seemingly took us a while to discount two more experienced candidates for the job before coming to Maresca, so you have to wonder whether there have been raised eyebrows here and there. It's all speculation, but I suspect they appointed the guy who told them that their dreams really were possible, rather than the ones who were pointing out how fantastical they were.

 

But of course Maresca could still be the man to deliver. Others in our past, including inexperienced managers, have done brilliantly despite having to work with the whims of a questionable board. There are a few more weeks in which we can further flesh out our squad and, who knows, over the course of that we may demonstrate that we're not still fishing in the big pond and picking out the bike tyres and old boots because everyone else has nabbed the fish. We might sign young again. The fixation with sustainable football and having technically lovely players all over the pitch without any sense of a unified vision to our recruitment might subside. You've got to be hopeful. But you fear patterns are repeating 

[Claridge]

1 hour ago, Sankey93 said:

Promotion and I don’t care how.

Bribing the other teams

[Citeh]

If Maresca can get Soumare playing decent and working harder (assuming he is staying with us) like we saw against Wolves was it ?  
Alongside Winks and KDH I’ll be confident we will be challenging for promotion, providing we can get the goals, which I think we won’t struggle for. I look forward to seeing this new Leicester whatever happens ! 🦊 

[ithuriel]

Still waiting to see what new players are coming in, if it stays as is and is just padded out with players  from the youth set up, we might scrape the play offs.

[Legend_in_blue]

Too many comments here bigging up the championship to be more of a struggle than it actually will be.

 

I expect a season like the one where we went down to League One.  We shouldn't have been there and we shouldn't be here now either.

 

It's all about the mental approach to the games.  Get that right and you are well on the way to getting out of this league.  We have enough quality over the pitch to see us the rest of the way.

[Beachyboy]

50 minutes ago, Legend_in_blue said:

Too many comments here bigging up the championship to be more of a struggle than it actually will be.

 

I expect a season like the one where we went down to League One.  We shouldn't have been there and we shouldn't be here now either.

 

It's all about the mental approach to the games.  Get that right and you are well on the way to getting out of this league.  We have enough quality over the pitch to see us the rest of the way.

Yep get the defence right and we won't need to score bags of goals, 70 maybe could be enough, you'd expect the likes of Daka/Vardy to get more chances, especially if Justin and Ricardo stay fit. Once they start scoring a few the strikers confidence goes up and it becomes easier to score the next game. Sheffield United got promotion with 73 goals.

Edited 8 July 2023 by Beachyboy

[chapero82]

1 hour ago, ithuriel said:

Still waiting to see what new players are coming in, if it stays as is and is just padded out with players  from the youth set up, we might scrape the play offs.

No chance with if it stays likes this without Barnes And Nacho. This is a hard league to get out of.

[4everfox]

My expectation for the season is automatic promotion, preferably the title. Anything less than that would be failure in my opinion.

[jerry]

17 hours ago, Lillehamring said:

Not really - they'll come in as the more established, form team - had it been against one of last years  EFL strugglers, it would be worse - but even then, hardly deflating, it's just one game with a whole new cast of characters....

Good luck Trying to put a positive spin on that result  🤔.

[jerry]

3 hours ago, Legend_in_blue said:

Too many comments here bigging up the championship to be more of a struggle than it actually will be.

 

I expect a season like the one where we went down to League One.  We shouldn't have been there and we shouldn't be here now either.

 

It's all about the mental approach to the games.  Get that right and you are well on the way to getting out of this league.  We have enough quality over the pitch to see us the rest of the way.

Depends how much quality is left at start of the season.

[Livid]

Four weeks to go to Cov and we’ve got two in. Several walked away at the end of their contracts, one sold and one on the verge of leaving and I would expect another two or three to not be here come the start of the season.

 

The problem we have is that teams usually go down because they just don’t have the quality, they are able to

keep their core together and add to it and go again. We had quality they just massively under performed and they are being picked off one by one at lower values because of where we are. The core of this team is disappearing and right now I don’t see it being replaced. 
 

Enzo i’m fine with, Cody and Winks will do a job but we’re nowhere near where we need to be. 

[Guy]

All of my people 'in the know' supposedly who I've spoken to and who support other Championship sides seem to think we'll go straight back up like Burnley did but I don't share that same confidence yet! It falls into the same bracket as "too good to get relegated" for me at this stage until we know who's going, who's coming in after Coady and Winks - and of course who's definitely staying! I'd imagine the only three definite departees for better climes in the final shake up will be Maddison, Tielemans .... and next up Barnes - and Iheanacho still very much remains on the fence re 'stick or twist'. Might help his cause to stay re the Man. City/Pep connection of Maresca coming in, even if the Forest rumours remain rife for now. Prediction - anything from 1st to a hugely disappointing 10th!! 

Edited 8 July 2023 by Guy

[SouthStandUpperTier]

Obviously at lot will depend on what happens in the rest of the transfer window, but as things stand we have a weaker squad than that which finished last season. And that squad struggled quite a bit against lower league opposition in the cups. I expect us to be at the right end of the table, but this is not going to be as easy as the bookies, the pundits, and some of our fans believe it will be.

[whoareyaaa]

8 hours ago, Mickyblueeyes said:

I don’t see us starting very well. I just don’t see how. Enzo is running a pre-season campaign with two genuine pre-season games (the rest in a tournament in Singapore). If you asked him how many that are working with him are to stay, I think he’d be unsure. How could he possibly plan anything. 
 

It will also take time to adapt to his style etc. I think if we see anything it will be towards the end of the season.

 

It’s going to be a few years before we get back. Hopefully with new heroes, management, leadership and if we are lucky, ownership, 

we have spent a lot of time in the Prem I expect us to return at the first time of asking, the players should be going in with this mindset as well.

 

We have years of experience on most teams in the Championship and have some good talent in the team.

[fox_up_north]

52 minutes ago, whoareyaaa said:

we have spent a lot of time in the Prem I expect us to return at the first time of asking, the players should be going in with this mindset as well.

 

We have years of experience on most teams in the Championship and have some good talent in the team.

Sunderland spent a long time in top flight, as did Stoke, as did Leeds. Take absolutely nothing for granted. 

[Lillehamring]

On 08/07/2023 at 13:05, Bazly said:

With reports Kel and Barnes are in the escape hatch ready to be jettisoned that's about 90% of our Premier League goals from last year scorers departed or departing. A lot is going to rest on Daka this upcoming season, a hell of a lot. In Daka we trust. 

 

When clubs have gone down they tend to retain the core, the backbone of their squads with a couple of we are too good departures. Our players will be a group of strangers heading out against Coventry. It'll be scary time that could deliver anything so how anyone can offer a prediction is beyond me. I keep breaking open the tea bags for a look but they aren't speaking to me. Other than, I wouldn't put a penny on the bookies 2-1 favourites to win the league. If it were 20-1, then maybe.

The OP asked for expectations, not predictions.

[Lillehamring]

On 08/07/2023 at 14:03, inckley fox said:

You never know, but I also have my doubts.

 

I suspect part of the reason they went for Maresca was that others raised important questions about their plans, and Maresca - possibly as a result of his inexperience - offered confident answers to them. Pre-season trip overseas? Maybe that was a problem for others, maybe not for Enzo. Lots of loanees? Well, he'd have offered all of the right connections. Lots of last-minute transfer activity? Don't worry, I'll cope. And can we still play like Man City, as has been our deepest-held desire since we became successful by doing the opposite of that? Absolutely!

 

Supposedly Marsch turned us down over our strategy upon relegation, and it seemingly took us a while to discount two more experienced candidates for the job before coming to Maresca, so you have to wonder whether there have been raised eyebrows here and there. It's all speculation, but I suspect they appointed the guy who told them that their dreams really were possible, rather than the ones who were pointing out how fantastical they were.

 

But of course Maresca could still be the man to deliver. Others in our past, including inexperienced managers, have done brilliantly despite having to work with the whims of a questionable board. There are a few more weeks in which we can further flesh out our squad and, who knows, over the course of that we may demonstrate that we're not still fishing in the big pond and picking out the bike tyres and old boots because everyone else has nabbed the fish. We might sign young again. The fixation with sustainable football and having technically lovely players all over the pitch without any sense of a unified vision to our recruitment might subside. You've got to be hopeful. But you fear patterns are repeating 

This is wild hypothesis!  You're suggesting that there was a situation where maresca came to an interview, was faced with a board of idiots and just said, 'oh go on then'?  It's an absurd picture.  Maresca had multiple options and part of what appealed to him was the fact that we were building a squad from scratch, he'd also had his fingers burnt by a club not prepared to give him time - it seems far more probably that the situation was maresca had been approached by his agent earlier this year, came to the interview and was told we expect to make the coady and winks signings and we understand that (as has always been KP policy) the plan is to develop a sustainable PL team and, within reason, to take the right amount of time to do so.  He's not going to have risked his career if he didn't feel that the club had a solid, workable and ambitious plan.

My understanding of the Marsch situation was that he was first choice but the fan reaction caused them to make a u-turn - that we've already spent nearly 20M suggests that Marsch's claims of a lack of spending are complete bullshit.

[Lillehamring]

On 08/07/2023 at 15:30, Legend_in_blue said:

Too many comments here bigging up the championship to be more of a struggle than it actually will be.

 

I expect a season like the one where we went down to League One.  We shouldn't have been there and we shouldn't be here now either.

 

It's all about the mental approach to the games.  Get that right and you are well on the way to getting out of this league.  We have enough quality over the pitch to see us the rest of the way.

I was thinking much the same as this just the other day.  And i think the reason many are feeling confident is because we've completely flipped the mentality to a point where (even before we've made many signings) people feel like we do have a plan, that the board do understand what the fans needed to see, what would be the best approach to the EFL.

[Lillehamring]

On 08/07/2023 at 21:52, SouthStandUpperTier said:

Obviously at lot will depend on what happens in the rest of the transfer window, but as things stand we have a weaker squad than that which finished last season. And that squad struggled quite a bit against lower league opposition in the cups. I expect us to be at the right end of the table, but this is not going to be as easy as the bookies, the pundits, and some of our fans believe it will be.

Firstly we don't really have that squad anymore, secondly, they struggled due to confidence and attitude issues (for reasons well documented, that no longer apply) - so far there's nothing to suggest that with an entire new coaching staff and a largely new squad, those issues are likely to reappear.   We may be weaker on paper than last season, but on the field that team was weaker than all but 1 team - so it's not necessarily a problem (especially playing at a lower level) that this year's team is, on paper, weaker.

[Gamble92]

On 08/07/2023 at 06:30, Legend_in_blue said:

Too many comments here bigging up the championship to be more of a struggle than it actually will be.

 

I expect a season like the one where we went down to League One.  We shouldn't have been there and we shouldn't be here now either.

 

It's all about the mental approach to the games.  Get that right and you are well on the way to getting out of this league.  We have enough quality over the pitch to see us the rest of the way.

Good post. I reckon so too. I think so many on here are just negative about life in general, but we're all massively underestimating the gap in quality and the fact there is so much quality in our team. It was just so mismanaged for so long.