Guest Sideshow Faes Posted 16 August 2023 Share Posted 16 August 2023 1 hour ago, Fuch Me Moore said: I've heard the media team are working on a departure video of him leaving Seagrave. If he moves as slowly leaving as he does tracking back it's gonna take some time to make Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan LCFC Posted 16 August 2023 Share Posted 16 August 2023 Has he gone yet? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozartfox Posted 16 August 2023 Share Posted 16 August 2023 Any one tracking Rudkin’s carrier Pigeon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sm1 Posted 16 August 2023 Share Posted 16 August 2023 Let's hope he goes there and does a Ghazzal and we get some money back on this complete donkey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MGLCFC Posted 16 August 2023 Share Posted 16 August 2023 Excuse my ignorance - but is this definitely confirmed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom12345 Posted 17 August 2023 Share Posted 17 August 2023 He played ok under Smith? For the championship, he would be a level above. Why not keep him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fox_favourite Posted 17 August 2023 Share Posted 17 August 2023 2 hours ago, Tom12345 said: He played ok under Smith? For the championship, he would be a level above. Why not keep him? Simples...wages and he's wanted so we can cash in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sly Posted 17 August 2023 Share Posted 17 August 2023 (edited) Fenerbache are in for him now as well then? Edited 17 August 2023 by Sly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viva Posted 17 August 2023 Share Posted 17 August 2023 5 hours ago, Tom12345 said: He played ok under Smith? For the championship, he would be a level above. Why not keep him? He had about as many good games as Tete. He wouldn’t be a level above at all. Would be fighting Junior Lewis for a place in our worst 11. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom12345 Posted 17 August 2023 Share Posted 17 August 2023 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Viva said: He had about as many good games as Tete. He wouldn’t be a level above at all. Would be fighting Junior Lewis for a place in our worst 11. I think to be fair that is a bit too harsh. He had many more good games compared to Tete (only his debut). It may be more style, but I didn’t think he was as bad as some think he is. The way he can carry the ball with opposition players bouncing off him was fun to watch. He can pass forward too. It is all about value I suppose. If he is going to be wasted sitting on the bench in the Championship, then we may as well sell him. My point is though that we cannot find someone of his calibre who would play in the Championship. For players we can get instead, we need to expect they are not as good. The question is more about value and what price we are willing to pay to get us back to the PL at the end of the season. Nothing is guaranteed of course, but I say the more we get rid of our existing squad, which was expensive to assemble but managed poorly by Rodgers, the harder it will be for us to have a squad that is superior to the other teams in the Championship. Edited 17 August 2023 by Tom12345 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viva Posted 17 August 2023 Share Posted 17 August 2023 Just now, Tom12345 said: I think to be fair that is a bit too harsh. He had many more good games compared to Tete (only his debut). It may be more style, but I didn’t think he was as bad as some think he is. The way he can carry the ball with opposition players bouncing off him was fun to watch. He can pass forward too. It is all about value I suppose. If he is going to be wasted sitting on the bench in the Championship, then we may as well sell him. My point is though that we cannot someone with his calibre who would play in the Championship. For players we can get instead, we need to expect they are not as good. The question is more about value and what price we are willing to pay to get us back to the PL at the end of the season. Nothing is guaranteed of course, but I say the more we get rid of our existing squad, which was expensive to assemble but managed poorly by Rodgers, the harder it will be for us to have a squad that is superior to the other teams in the Championship. If we can’t find a player that can do better for us than Soumare, then we have a real problem with recruitment. I don’t care if he goes somewhere else and turns into a world beater. The fact if the matter is though that he has been pretty terrible for us. We can certainly upgrade our squad by selling him and finding a replacement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MGLCFC Posted 17 August 2023 Share Posted 17 August 2023 I'm not doubting he has some talent as a footballer, but the one thing you can't change is his brain and unfortunately that doesn't react quick enough to situations. From the many games I've seen him play he is reactive, rather than proactive and that often means he is playing catch up. I've mentioned it before he has zero understanding of his role in the type of system that he has been asked to play. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weller54 Posted 17 August 2023 Share Posted 17 August 2023 11 hours ago, sm1 said: Let's hope he goes there and does a Ghazzal and we get some money back on this complete donkey. Insult to all donkeys everywhere!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rigga Posted 17 August 2023 Share Posted 17 August 2023 6 hours ago, Tom12345 said: He played ok under Smith? For the championship, he would be a level above. Why not keep him? Because he’s shite mate… and anyone that thinks he isn’t…hasn’t watched the games the past 2 years.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spudulike Posted 17 August 2023 Share Posted 17 August 2023 6 hours ago, Tom12345 said: He played ok under Smith? For the championship, he would be a level above. Why not keep him? Because if the rumours are true then he's one of the players that has told the club that he doesn't want to play in the Championship. Clearly not one of the six. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post moore_94 Posted 17 August 2023 Popular Post Share Posted 17 August 2023 Wouldn’t trust Soumare at all in the Winks role - awareness of a blind man and his inability to track back would cause us no end of problems Not good enough going forward to play in one of the advanced 8 roles either Just get rid 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyKopCorner Posted 17 August 2023 Share Posted 17 August 2023 1 hour ago, MGLCFC said: I'm not doubting he has some talent as a footballer, but the one thing you can't change is his brain and unfortunately that doesn't react quick enough to situations. From the many games I've seen him play he is reactive, rather than proactive and that often means he is playing catch up. I've mentioned it before he has zero understanding of his role in the type of system that he has been asked to play. I have to say you're spot on there. Also, doesn't have the sheer will to run back and challenge or re establish his position With him and Youri in the middle of the park at the end of last season you could drive a coach and horses through our midfield at times - Both were shocking in my view 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dahnsouff Posted 17 August 2023 Share Posted 17 August 2023 Bouba is unaware of his surroundings so badly he would be an impairment to Enzo's system I reckon. The slowness of Rodgers play I could and hoped to see him do well in, but under Enzo, no chance 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
An Sionnach Posted 17 August 2023 Share Posted 17 August 2023 8 minutes ago, CrazyKopCorner said: I have to say you're spot on there. Also, doesn't have the sheer will to run back and challenge or re establish his position With him and Youri in the middle of the park at the end of last season you could drive a coach and horses through our midfield at times - Both were shocking in my view All this will be noted by any prospective buyer of course , so along with his very high pay , he is unsellable. Not really worth discussing anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MGLCFC Posted 17 August 2023 Share Posted 17 August 2023 2 minutes ago, An Sionnach said: All this will be noted by any prospective buyer of course , so along with his very high pay , he is unsellable. Not really worth discussing anymore. Yes, you are right, however, I think the style of play in some leagues like Italy, France and maybe Turkey will suit his limited skill set better. Let's hope so anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smudgerfox Posted 17 August 2023 Share Posted 17 August 2023 For all the moaning about negativity in the fanbase I have to say we have some fans with an extraordinary capacity for forgiveness. People saying Soumare played well under Smith - what so he affected games did he? Assists, goals, goal-saving tackles? I’m sorry but to my eyes he managed to lower expectations so far, we were tempted to go to the standing ovation if he so much as received a pass, controlled it, and managed to pass it on in some vaguely progressive way. I cant recall a single game in which he has been a force for the whole 90 minutes and I cant remember a single game in which he has had any bearing on the result. For a central midfielder that is wholly unacceptable. 59 appearances , no goals, no assists. Please someone, take him off our hands… 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sacreblueits442 Posted 17 August 2023 Share Posted 17 August 2023 20 hours ago, coolhandfox said: Didn't Rodgers talk him into stay? ...I do not believe that Rodgers rated him and he was not a player that he wanted to bring in!!! Soumare came out and said that he wanted to have another season here, we could not offload last season, so we had to utilise him in some capacity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
funkyrobot Posted 17 August 2023 Share Posted 17 August 2023 7 hours ago, Tom12345 said: He played ok under Smith? For the championship, he would be a level above. Why not keep him? It’s been reported he doesn’t want to be here. That’s more than enough reason for Enzo to get rid. Same reason Castagne isn’t getting game time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devonfox1884 Posted 17 August 2023 Share Posted 17 August 2023 If we can recoup £35m-£40m for Castagne, Soumare and Daka then I think we’ve got to be happy with that. It should be the target at least. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
volpeazzurro Posted 17 August 2023 Share Posted 17 August 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Rigga said: Because he’s shite mate… and anyone that thinks he isn’t…hasn’t watched the games the past 2 years.. Or you probably watched it with a mind already made up. Firstly he was never played in his right position or to his strengths under Rodgers. He's not a defensive midfielder or a box to box player who will score goals as the dunderhead Rodgers suggested he could turn him into. As a young homesick player with allegedly issues back home it's no wonder he didn't shine under that regime, in fact nobody did in fairness and that's why we were relegated. Therefore, his limited performances did, I agree, look poor. However, latterly under Smith, I felt that he improved greatly when used properly for a limited time. In fact he, with a couple of others, were our better players, certainly better than Tielemans and Maddison! He did have some fight in him and he did bust a gut to get back under Smith. Whether he'd fit into what Maresca wants to do I wouldn't know. It's probably academic anyway as my guess is he just wants to get away. Under Rodgers I wouldn't have judged anyone wanting away as his stewardship and the way he spoke about his players amongst other things would have been depressing to live with. The damage Rodgers did is multi faceted and runs deep. Some players have allegedly said that they now want to stay under Maresca and his 'vision'. If so that's great, though you could also read that nobody else wants them or will pay them the same money. At the end of a day, it's just a job for most of them realistically, they're not supporters! If Soumare wants to go good luck to him because like certain other players, Iheanacho, Daka and Under for example, Rodgers, imo, almost set them up to fail. Whoever stays we need commitment to the cause now but I can forsee considerable dead wood remaining. Our start however, albeit disjointed is very promising and has the potential to blossom very quickly with another couple of incomings, particularly young Casadei but he's just a kid and patience will be required by some on here. I think he's going to be a special player in the future though doubtfully for us longer term. It will be good to witness his journey. Edited 17 August 2023 by volpeazzurro 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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