Vestergaard

[ealingfox]

He was part of the 14th best defence in the PL 8 years ago guys, we can't afford to get rid!!!

[Wink84]

13 hours ago, moore_94 said:

From the Percy article

 

Jannik Vestergaard, the Denmark international, has held talks about terminating his contract. The former Southampton defender is understood to not have reported for training since the squad’s return last week as discussions continue over a settlement on his deal, which has a year to run.

Bit harsh, he had no one to mind his dog.

[Clever Fox]

14 hours ago, moore_94 said:

From the Percy article

 

Jannik Vestergaard, the Denmark international, has held talks about terminating his contract. The former Southampton defender is understood to not have reported for training since the squad’s return last week as discussions continue over a settlement on his deal, which has a year to run.

Surely if he wants to terminate his Contract we don't owe him anything and he should be compensating the Club. 

[Finn Claw II]

I wouldn’t pay him off, tell him to find a club to ideally buy him or at least cover his wages in his final season.

[foxile5]

Jesus christ. The brass balls on some of these people.

 

I don't play professional football and get paid significantly less - I would feel some small sense of duty to my workplace if I eroded everything around me and was in a position to at least help. These people cannot be from the same species as me.

 

Literally no humility. No sense of responsibility. No sense of morality.

 

With that said, good. Get the **** out of here. We signed you at the tip of the wave and you're scurrying out when you've caused it to come crashing down. 

 

He will have to look back at this period and know that he's spent the most games ruining our football club and is in no small part responsible for that. Get out.

[john ridley]

Blokes a **** ,pure and simple, so are all the other ****wits we're  left with as well .Never known  a more unlikeable  bunch in over 50 yrs of going down.

[SafewayFox]

That sums up the player, but I have a genuine question: Is Jannik doing this, or is it worse when players like Faes and Winks hang on just to get a big loyalty bonus?

Edited Friday at 05:22 by SafewayFox

[CrazyKopCorner]

He should be shame riddled and paying the majority of his vast salary back as he's been masquerading as a professional footballer. 

 

Rudkin no doubt will talk him into extending his contract up to his 40th birthday 

 

 

[Fox92]

13 hours ago, Sly said:

I mean, he’s not has he? 

 

He’s been relegated three times and two of those were from the Premier League, one in which he hardly played. 
 

He’s also been promoted from the Championship and played in a Southampton team that was steady in the Premier League. 
 

Lots of people had him amongst he best defenders in the Championship when we got promoted. 
 

Him and Souttar (if he stays) would be the best centre back partnership in the league by a mile. 
 

People are just cutting their nose off, to spite their face in my opinion. 

He's shit. Please tell me what he's actually good at aside from passing the ball. He cannot run, has no pace, he's not strong enough and for a massive defender cannot win a header.

 

I can't believe people still want to defend players like Vestergaard who have contributed fvck all too us, been relegated a number of times, cost us money and now want to leave. Madness.

 

"Would be the best centre back partnership in the league". Would it!? Pretty sure people said the same thing about these players when we were relegated to the Championship. Vestergaard would be bullied off the ball, with ease, just like he was in the Championship time and time again. 

[SuperMike]

7 hours ago, john ridley said:

Blokes a **** ,pure and simple, so are all the other ****wits we're  left with as well .Never known  a more unlikeable  bunch in over 50 yrs of going down.

Unlikeable bunch, you say !!!!

Got me thinking about the last 3 or so seasons - has there EVER been a team that could match this one for 'fan-hate' :

 

Ward

Thomas

Coady

Vestegaard

Faes

Kristianson

Winks

Soumare

Edouard

Ayew

Daka

 

subs: Many! would probably include Chowdray, Skipp, Aribo and even Okoli, Mavadidi etc etc etc!!!!

 

Where do LCFC manage to find them?!

 

 

 

Edited Friday at 08:20 by SuperMike
Sorry - awful spelling I know. Can't be bothered to correct things - a bit like these players, then.

[AKCJ]

8 hours ago, foxile5 said:

Jesus christ. The brass balls on some of these people.

 

I don't play professional football and get paid significantly less - I would feel some small sense of duty to my workplace if I eroded everything around me and was in a position to at least help. These people cannot be from the same species as me.

 

Literally no humility. No sense of responsibility. No sense of morality.

 

With that said, good. Get the **** out of here. We signed you at the tip of the wave and you're scurrying out when you've caused it to come crashing down. 

 

He will have to look back at this period and know that he's spent the most games ruining our football club and is in no small part responsible for that. Get out.

Since he was 13/14 he'll have been in football academies and have been told consistently how great he is. Creates these types of egos where they think they're always owed something.

[Headcase]

13 hours ago, murphy said:

Could it be that we have him by the 'nadgers'?

 

He wants to play in a higher league, he wants a signing on fee.  If we have to pay half his wages a year, might as well keep him rather than dance to his tune.

 

 

exactly my point, if we keep him, he will moan and not play, and get side-lined again. paying his wages for nowt, which is what we are probably doing now, as he is not attending training. forcing his discontent  

[Clever Fox]

If he's not turning up for Training he's clearly in breach of Contract and the Club should sack him.

 

Unless of course Rudkin forgot to cover that in the Contract. Like the Winks situation.

[Danizen]

3 hours ago, SafewayFox said:

That sums up the player, but I have a genuine question: Is Jannik doing this, or is it worse when players like Faes and Winks hang on just to get a big loyalty bonus?

It's always preferable when they FO. That doesn't shield him from criticism though. 

[shen]

13 hours ago, murphy said:

That's what I said.  Second worse defence in the league when we signed him.  Madness.  We were chasing Champions league l.

 

It doesn't matter whether he was any good in Enzo's possession heavy team that didn't have much defending to do (although I would argue that his defending, when he had to, wasn't up to much) because we gave him a three year extension when we had already been promoted to the premier league.

 

 

I seem to remember us signing a tall, lumbering centerback, who was able to pick a pass, from the worst (!) defense in the league a few years prior to Vestergaard. We turned him into the most expensive central defender in the world. 
The revisionism isn't just happening from the side that want to paint a rosier picture of Vestergaard's time here.

[Finnegan]

 

 

 

[smudgerfox]

If I was investigating the possibility of corruption at LCFC (which I'm not), I would start with the decision to give Vestergaard a second contract. It's the first question I would ask Rudkin if I ever got chance to interview him.

It really was incomprehensible then and nothing has happened since to clarify such a mind-boggling decision.

This is not the benefit of hindsight.

 

Vestergaard was inexplicably pursued by Brendan and equally inexplicably described as a replacement for the injured Fofana. 
 

There is a video on the internet of an ex manager saying in 2016 he assessed JV thus:"he can't run, he can't turn."
 

Within six months of arriving in Leicester he'd lost his place in the team, wasted no time in complaining about it publicly and was exiled from first team  training, by the manager who had seemed so determined to sign him.

 

He turned down several chances to leave the club - Fulham and Berlin. 
 

He seemed at best, likely to be a bit part player until his three year contract ran down- then Conor Coady got injured and JV established himself in Enzo's team as a passing centre back.

 

Seemingly, on the strength of this one season alone, at a lower level,  under a very specific manager, playing a very specific style, who in any case had left the club, we gave an ageing, slow, centre back a three year Premier League contract. A player who'd had a major fallout with the manager who signed him and who routinely used international call-ups to criticise the club in the Danish press. 

 

What was the thinking there Jon?

 

And of course since, we've had his dog at training and now he's absented himself from pre-season, asking the club to "terminate his contract " - no doubt a journalistic euphemism for paying up his contract..so he can find some other club to take the p*** out of.
 

 

Edited Friday at 09:43 by smudgerfox

[murphy]

2 hours ago, shen said:

I seem to remember us signing a tall, lumbering centerback, who was able to pick a pass, from the worst (!) defense in the league a few years prior to Vestergaard. We turned him into the most expensive central defender in the world. 
The revisionism isn't just happening from the side that want to paint a rosier picture of Vestergaard's time here.

And yet, for some reason, nobody came in with an £85m offer for Vestergaard.  Bizarre.  The footballing elite must be kicking themselves.

[shen]

3 minutes ago, murphy said:

And yet, for some reason, nobody came in with an £85m offer for Vestergaard.  Bizarre.  The footballing elite must be kicking themselves.

You made the point that we signed him off the second worst defense. I just gave you an example of why that's not exactly a sound metric to go by when it comes to judging the viability of a signing. You bring it up to make the signing look worse, so I think it's fair to call you out on it just like others are calling people out for polishing the turd.

[shen]

2 hours ago, smudgerfox said:

If I was investigating the possibility of corruption at LCFC (which I'm not), I would start with the decision to give Vestergaard a second contract. It's the first question I would ask Rudkin if I ever got chance to interview him.

It really was incomprehensible then and nothing has happened since to clarify such a mind-boggling decision.

This is not the benefit of hindsight.

 

Vestergaard was inexplicably pursued by Brendan and equally inexplicably described as a replacement for the injured Fofana. 
 

There is a video on the internet of an ex manager saying in 2016 he assessed JV thus:"he can't run, he can't turn."
 

Within six months of arriving in Leicester he'd lost his place in the team, wasted no time in complaining about it publicly and was exiled from first team  training, by the manager who had seemed so determined to sign him.

 

He turned down several chances to leave the club - Fulham and Berlin. 
 

He seemed at best, likely to be a bit part player until his three year contract ran down- then Conor Coady got injured and JV established himself in Enzo's team as a passing centre back.

 

Seemingly, on the strength of this one season alone, at a lower level,  under a very specific manager, playing a very specific style, who in any case had left the club, we gave an ageing, slow, centre back a three year Premier League contract. A player who'd had a major fallout with the manager who signed him and who routinely used international call-ups to criticise the club in the Danish press. 

 

What was the thinking there Jon?

 

And of course since, we've had his dog at training and now he's absented himself from pre-season, asking the club to "terminate his contract " - no doubt a journalistic euphemism for paying up his contract..so he can find some other club to take the p*** out of.
 

 

We don't know the details of the contracts or how close he was to move/how concrete that interest was. 
I completely agree that it seemed mad at the time, but I tried to find reason in that we finally had a system that worked under Maresca, which he was a pretty integral part of.

Maybe the deal was already signed with Vestergaard before Maresca left (there were some sour grapes from Top after all), but not announced until later.

The fact we didn't keep playing the system made it a baffling decision and then we were left with a defender who had already proven he was a liability for us except for that one season.

[filbertway]

6 hours ago, SafewayFox said:

That sums up the player, but I have a genuine question: Is Jannik doing this, or is it worse when players like Faes and Winks hang on just to get a big loyalty bonus?

Id much rather we agree a deal to get rid. Id assume the club has floated the idea as well.

 

Obvious preference would be for him to leave on a free but I assume this way we gets some money off us and a club can pay him less.

 

I dont blame the players at all either. Issues created by the leadership at the club

[kenny]

1 minute ago, shen said:

We don't know the details of the contracts or how close he was to move/how concrete that interest was. 
I completely agree that it seemed mad at the time, but I tried to find reason in that we finally had a system that worked under Maresca, which he was a pretty integral part of.

Maybe the deal was already signed with Vestergaard before Maresca left (there were some sour grapes from Top after all), but not announced until later.

The fact we didn't keep playing the system made it a baffling decision and then we were left with a defender who had already proven he was a liability for us except for that one season.

Offering him a 1 years deal on existing terms was sensible for me. No one else wanted him so it was still the best deal he would have had.

 

The 3 years was the criminal part.

[shen]

2 hours ago, Finnegan said:

 

 

 

I have obvious interest in our Danish players  A shame they've all been crap except for Kasper and Mads.

[murphy]

46 minutes ago, shen said:

You made the point that we signed him off the second worst defense. I just gave you an example of why that's not exactly a sound metric to go by when it comes to judging the viability of a signing. You bring it up to make the signing look worse, so I think it's fair to call you out on it just like others are calling people out for polishing the turd.

It's a pretty sound metric to go by, generally speaking.  Maguire being an exception.

 

I mean it's not as if Vestergaard had outstanding individual stats that belied his team's performances.  We knew what we were getting and it was a baffling signing.

[Gazza M]

He has bled us dry along with several others. Due to incompetence of the highest level of Rudkin and co.