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Daniel Iversen

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The other thread is full of Ward shite (that word follows him everywhere :ph34r:)

 

Anyway, Palace interested in Iversen... 

 

 

 



Hodgson is also keen to sign a new goalkeeper after a falling out with long-time no1 Vicente Guaita.

 

The 36-year-old is accused of "refusing to play" by Hodgson but sources close to the player deny this version of events. Manchester United's Dean Henderson and Leicester's Daniel Iversen are both considered options.

 

 

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I wouldn't be averse to keeping Iversen as I actually don't think he's too bad. He was loved by Preston fans at this level.

 

It's very enlightening, however, to see how quickly Maresca has established Mads Hermansen as our number one and Jakub Stolarczyk as our number two. That's a bit of a damning indictment on the bloke who played the other two as our first choice keepers for a whole season in the Premier League. 

 

It's everyone's priority to get rid of Ward - or at least should be. I suppose if him or Iversen are going to be number threes then we should sell to the first person who offers money for one of them - but I hope it's Ward 

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I actually think he would be a decent signing for Palace. They are set up very traditional in defence and don't care about having a Goalkeeper who is good with his feet. As a shot stopper and general Goalkeeper he's probably a very good fit for Palace and vice versa. This could be like a Schlupp transfer where he doesn't quite make it here but becomes a very important player for them. 

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Would be absolutely amazed to see him go to a prem club, even as a number 2. He needs to go to a Preston type club as a number 1 and get his career going.

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5 hours ago, john ridley said:

Think this also relates to Stowell  being  here for so long .New goal keeping coach comes in and these 2 deemed not good enough straight  away,makes you wonder what he did for all those years. 

Coached Schmeichel. 

 

 

Or does that not count because we can only lay blame on the forum and not give credit? 

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5 minutes ago, Foreverfox said:

Coached Schmeichel. 

 

 

Or does that not count because we can only lay blame on the forum and not give credit? 

Did he though? Or was he a natural talent that progressed naturally over time. 
 

Also how involved was Stowell?

 

“Schmeichel's career allows him to manage himself, like he did at Leicester previously, and he prefers solitary work to being part of the team training sessions”

 

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9 minutes ago, Foreverfox said:

Coached Schmeichel. 

 

 

Or does that not count because we can only lay blame on the forum and not give credit? 

For like a decade as well. It’s not his fault that his job went from working with a high quality individual who had the ability to improve to working with a guy with holes for hands over night.

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3 minutes ago, HankMarvin said:

Did he though? Or was he a natural talent that progressed naturally over time. 
 

Also how involved was Stowell?

 

“Schmeichel's career allows him to manage himself, like he did at Leicester previously, and he prefers solitary work to being part of the team training sessions”

 

That doesn't negate a gk coach and you can't have it both ways 

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3 minutes ago, HankMarvin said:

Did he though? Or was he a natural talent that progressed naturally over time. 
 

Also how involved was Stowell?

 

“Schmeichel's career allows him to manage himself, like he did at Leicester previously, and he prefers solitary work to being part of the team training sessions”

 

That’s Tosh! Kasper made a point of individually mentioning how influential Stowell was in his goodbye video.

 

Thats not PR stuff, nobody forces you to mention a back room staff member  

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22 minutes ago, CountesthorpeFox1 said:

That’s Tosh! Kasper made a point of individually mentioning how influential Stowell was in his goodbye video.

 

Thats not PR stuff, nobody forces you to mention a back room staff member  

 

He was also very complementary about the Denmark GK coach who he labelled as a mentor, I’m sure when players are with coaches a long time and develop a strong rapport and carve out successful

careers they are very thankful to those who have worked alongside.

 

The questions I would ask regarding Stowell, is why KS commanding of the box regressed,

Via multiple managers.

it’s quite a major flaw for someone that was clearly capable. 

How Ward was eventually considered a number 1 having been coached by Stowell since 2017. The average fan could see how bad Ward was by a number of games in. So if you coached this player daily for 5 years and you are specialist coach the shortcomings in Ward game that are not clear to your average fan would be massive red flags for a man with Stowells experience.

 

I’m sure he is a top bloke, but things can get too stale and comfortable when you have been around a long time, let’s not forget the debacle with the corner situation the year before we went down. Whilst it’s a mix of those responsible some responsibility should be laid at the inability to adapt. 

 

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13 minutes ago, HankMarvin said:

 

He was also very complementary about the Denmark GK coach who he labelled as a mentor, I’m sure when players are with coaches a long time and develop a strong rapport and carve out successful

careers they are very thankful to those who have worked alongside.

 

The questions I would ask regarding Stowell, is why KS commanding of the box regressed,

Via multiple managers.

it’s quite a major flaw for someone that was clearly capable. 

How Ward was eventually considered a number 1 having been coached by Stowell since 2017. The average fan could see how bad Ward was by a number of games in. So if you coached this player daily for 5 years and you are specialist coach the shortcomings in Ward game that are not clear to your average fan would be massive red flags for a man with Stowells experience.

 

I’m sure he is a top bloke, but things can get too stale and comfortable when you have been around a long time, let’s not forget the debacle with the corner situation the year before we went down. Whilst it’s a mix of those responsible some responsibility should be laid at the inability to adapt. 

 

I think your argument is being spun in a way to fit your narrative. 
 

Stowell didn’t turn KS into the worlds best keeper who could do everything because KS simply wasn’t that. You say his command of his area regressed? He was trash at it from the start we just had better defenders at defending set plays in KS early days (due to the nature of defending then, we were championship and didn’t have ball players) - let’s not forget, KS was quality, never was he or was he going to be world class.

 

Also, why are you saying he was capable of commanding of his area? This is just a genuine curiosity as for me he isn’t the tallest nor strongest (attributes to compliment that trait)

 

Theres no evidence MS was screaming from the hill tops that Ward should be the new number 1, he would have had no say whatsoever in that, he just worked with the keepers on the books. Arguably there is a professional goalkeeper somewhere in Ward, he always looked decent in cup games for us and was actually an international number 1 at that point so I have no idea if he was training well as well, but and the big but, something happened. His confidence was shot (probably BR slagging everybody off) and here’s no coming back for the lad now but to put that on Stowell without any actual evidence is just you basically saying you don’t rate him on a hunch, which is fine but it’s just a weird placement of blame when there’s so many more to be had. 

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No he wasn’t “trash” go look at the stats.

 

Who said he turned him into the worlds best keeper? 
I’m sure he had some impact, but given his father reputation in the game and that he was known for being very opinionated, I suspect KS would’ve brought a lot to the table with regards to what he expects and how he wants/expects to be coached.

 

 

No one is saying he was screaming for Ward to be number one, but as a coach in that area you would expect that 95 percent of the fan base think it’s one of the worst keepers they have ever seen would’ve been picked up on and under no uncertain terms would he be considered for the position.
Pretty much like he isn’t now.

 

Also given Stowells career and what we have achieved, Why didn’t no one snap up such a highly regarded goalkeeping coach? Or Former managers etc when he became available?
He publicly made himself available and said it’s not time to retire before getting the opportunity a month later in Israel.

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Back onto Iversen.

 

We clearly are adapting to a system, that that employs the box midfield, with Ricardo steeping up from the back four to join the midfield.

 

 

 

Hence why we play Ndidi higher, as his intercepting skills allow us to turnover quicker (I think).


So you’re thinking what does that have to do with Iversen??? 


The issue with the box midfield, is that teams are working if they press the two lower sitting players, I.e Ricardo and KDH, it cuts out the passing lines from the defence; allowing us to get turned over and exploit the space left by Ricardo. 
 

If we have a ball playing goalkeeper, in possession, he basically becomes a centre back, allowing Doyle to go left, and Coady / Faes to go right, expanding the width and disrupting the opposing teams  press. 

 

(Vestergaard goes nowhere, as he’s like a concrete post)


It’s explained better here:

 


In a nutshell, if you have the ball, the opposing team can’t score. 
 

So when you consider our goalkeepers.

 

Hermansen - Can use his feet and hands.

Stolarczyk - Can use his feet and hands.

 

The other two aren’t capable of doing both (or either), so won’t fit the system. They are counter productive to how we play. 
 

Now, not every team has the players to play this system. If the purpose of the goalkeeper is to make saves and boot it long (or out of play), So as @StriderHiryu stated, a more traditional setup could make Iversen look okay, maybe even great.

 

Like they say, one persons rubbish, is another persons gold. 

 

 

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