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Trav Le Bleu

Also In The News - part 3

By Trav Le Bleu, in General Chat

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bovril

bovril

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1 hour ago, MPH said:

 

 

Its good to see he is talking about 'a decade of national renewal' and i hope this is something that everyone in the labour party, especially the economists understand, that what has been undone in 14 years cant be fixed over night. But yeah the 6,500 teachers, i dont think hes saying that they'll all be hired in the first year or two, but he's saying things like that will take a decade to fix, and i at least respect him for that..

It's like 1% of teachers in the UK

foxile5

foxile5

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1 hour ago, MPH said:

 

 

Its good to see he is talking about 'a decade of national renewal' and i hope this is something that everyone in the labour party, especially the economists understand, that what has been undone in 14 years cant be fixed over night. But yeah the 6,500 teachers, i dont think hes saying that they'll all be hired in the first year or two, but he's saying things like that will take a decade to fix, and i at least respect him for that..

Broader problem to fix too.

 

It's all well and good hiring and funding new teachers but what about the older, more experienced staff who are still paying off the frankly ridiculous costs of training to teach. They're going to need some kind of renumeration when it comes to retention. Otherwise there'll be tonnes of unrest as lots of new staff are paid into the profession whilst those training them are paying to be in it. 

 

It's not a quick solve and the issue of retention and recruitment has always ran deeper than 'get some more through the door'.

 

There's a really bleak attitude towards teachers in the country and - the irony being - this is primarily held by  the people who would most benefit from support. The sector of society without proper education in their history who have decided that qualifications mean nothing and you shouldn't listen to people who are - by every measure - more educated than you. Instead you call them arseholes on social media and encourage your children to  dismiss what they have to say. These people need addressing at the root before any real improvement to the profession can be considered - the whole attitude towards education needs repositioning in the minds of society.

 

It's why the current tory party haven't done anything to improve education - they don't want the workers educated. They want them squabbling between themselves whilst they tax them.

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MPH

MPH

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25 minutes ago, foxile5 said:

Broader problem to fix too.

 

It's all well and good hiring and funding new teachers but what about the older, more experienced staff who are still paying off the frankly ridiculous costs of training to teach. They're going to need some kind of renumeration when it comes to retention. Otherwise there'll be tonnes of unrest as lots of new staff are paid into the profession whilst those training them are paying to be in it. 

 

It's not a quick solve and the issue of retention and recruitment has always ran deeper than 'get some more through the door'.

 

There's a really bleak attitude towards teachers in the country and - the irony being - this is primarily held by  the people who would most benefit from support. The sector of society without proper education in their history who have decided that qualifications mean nothing and you shouldn't listen to people who are - by every measure - more educated than you. Instead you call them arseholes on social media and encourage your children to  dismiss what they have to say. These people need addressing at the root before any real improvement to the profession can be considered - the whole attitude towards education needs repositioning in the minds of society.

 

It's why the current tory party haven't done anything to improve education - they don't want the workers educated. They want them squabbling between themselves whilst they tax them.

 

 

i agree completely that its not an easy or overnight fix, and its one of the reasons im pleased starmer acknowledged hes doing to be on a decade long program get to where he wants to be..

MPH

MPH

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11 minutes ago, SecretPro said:

No defection today then?

 

 

Since when has a Tory done anything on time?

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foxile5

foxile5

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1 minute ago, MPH said:

 

 

i agree completely that its not an easy or overnight fix, and its one of the reasons im pleased starmer acknowledged hes doing to be on a decade long program get to where he wants to be..

Oh gosh - I'm concerned it's broken beyond fixing.

 

We've got a whole generation or two of people who think that formal education isn't really important. That leads to a lack of respect and trust in the educated classes which, in turn, leads to an erosion of their authority. Think COVID and Doctors. 

 

I'm not sure how you turn that back around. Once you've got families of people using the rhetoric of teachers being overpaid and underworked there's a total erosion of the profession. These are masters level professionals - they should be paid well and they shouldn't have to graft 25 hours a day to earn some scraps of respect. They've done the due. I think it's a sunken ship.

 

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Sly

Sly

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I see Vistry have announced £800m profit, after forcing 10% reductions on their suppliers. 
 

This was after they’d announced they’d announced the CEO was getting on on target increase from £2.6m to £5.2m a few months ago. 
 

This will upset many within the construction world no doubt! The people over on LinkedIn aren’t happy :ph34r:

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MPH

MPH

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“ Hold on Stephen, I’m the only woman on the panel.  Please  Allow me time to talk and expand my argument “

 

:blink:

 

is she saying she should be given more time because she’s a woman?

 

 

Jon the Hat

Jon the Hat

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1 hour ago, MPH said:

“ Hold on Stephen, I’m the only woman on the panel.  Please  Allow me time to talk and expand my argument “

 

:blink:

 

is she saying she should be given more time because she’s a woman?

 

 

If you want to give women an equal voice you have to let them speak.  

MPH

MPH

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1 hour ago, Jon the Hat said:

If you want to give women an equal voice you have to let them speak.  

 It’s question time. NO ONE gets uninterrupted time! :D That’s equality for you!

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Daggers

Daggers

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2 hours ago, MPH said:

 It’s question time. NO ONE gets uninterrupted time! :D That’s equality for you!

You do if you’re Tory, Bruce is there to ensure it. And if she can’t, she’ll always make the Tory’s case for them. I’m surprised they had someone on the panel who isn’t a Tory - normally it ranges from Wet through to Jackboot, with a Tufton St slag on for balance. Unwatchable trash these days. 

 

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Sampson

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I’m conflicted. I’m still not convinced prison sentences in general aren’t barbaric and locking someone in a small area for the rest of their life just feels morally wrong regardless of what they’ve done and feels like a 19th century solution which feels archaic in the 21st century. I’m not sure if there are genuine alternatives though that aren’t even worse (like lobotomies and other immoral stuff they tried as alternatives to prison in the past). Feel like we haven’t really had any genuine public debate on the prison system since like the 1970s, so I’m genuinely interested in what alternatives people can offer in the 2020s, not advocating for anything, just genuinely interested at where the debate is.  

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Daggers

Daggers

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24 minutes ago, Sampson said:

I’m conflicted. I’m still not convinced prison sentences in general aren’t barbaric and locking someone in a small area for the rest of their life just feels morally wrong regardless of what they’ve done and feels like a 19th century solution which feels archaic in the 21st century. I’m not sure if there are genuine alternatives though that aren’t even worse (like lobotomies and other immoral stuff they tried as alternatives to prison in the past). Feel like we haven’t really had any genuine public debate on the prison system since like the 1970s, so I’m genuinely interested in what alternatives people can offer in the 2020s, not advocating for anything, just genuinely interested at where the debate is.  

Commit child crimes or rape and you should have the same done to you with poles and knives. 
 

Yeh, maybe it’s because it’s personal, but I would go completely Viking blood angel Dark Ages on rapists and nonces. 

Sampson

Sampson

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2 minutes ago, Daggers said:

Commit child crimes or rape and you should have the same done to you with poles and knives. 
 

Yeh, maybe it’s because it’s personal, but I would go completely Viking blood angel Dark Ages on rapists and nonces. 

Of course I understand that viewpoint from an emotional point of view but it implies humans have libertarian free will which I don’t believe they do. There are genuine cases where previously everyday people have committed heinous crimes that seemed to come from nowhere; then after they died they were found to have had brain tumours which pressed against their full frontal cortex and inhibited the chemical links to the emotional control part of their brain. I’m not sure how you can really account for that as I’m not convinced letting people like this rot in prison is a sign of a healthy modern society but maybe it’s collateral damage you just have to accept even if it’s an uncomfortable reality.
 

Of course we should protect people in society from those who commit heinous crimes and prison seems to work better than other systems we e tried but it’s still far from perfect and how and what happens to them should be guided by our growing understanding of how the human brain works but it’s one of those things its impossible for politicians to actually discuss because it’s such an emotionally charged topic. I’m not advocating for change and certainly not advocating for Pitchfork’s release, but I am interested in general scientific-led discussions in this area because it’s been decades since they’ve been genuinely had in the public sphere and our understanding of the human brain has grown so much since then.

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MPH

MPH

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4 hours ago, Daggers said:

You do if you’re Tory, Bruce is there to ensure it. And if she can’t, she’ll always make the Tory’s case for them. I’m surprised they had someone on the panel who isn’t a Tory - normally it ranges from Wet through to Jackboot, with a Tufton St slag on for balance. Unwatchable trash these days. 

 


 

i was really only just poking fun at the “ you can’t over talk me, I’m a woman, line”.

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Foxdiamond

Foxdiamond

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2 hours ago, Sampson said:

I’m conflicted. I’m still not convinced prison sentences in general aren’t barbaric and locking someone in a small area for the rest of their life just feels morally wrong regardless of what they’ve done and feels like a 19th century solution which feels archaic in the 21st century. I’m not sure if there are genuine alternatives though that aren’t even worse (like lobotomies and other immoral stuff they tried as alternatives to prison in the past). Feel like we haven’t really had any genuine public debate on the prison system since like the 1970s, so I’m genuinely interested in what alternatives people can offer in the 2020s, not advocating for anything, just genuinely interested at where the debate is.  

First and foremost society needs protection. Take the case of John Straffen. He killed 2 young girls and was sent to Broadmoor. He escaped and was free for just a few hours but in that time killed another young girl. He was locked up for the next 55 years. Simply no alternative as hanging was ruled out in his case

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st albans fox

st albans fox

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I hope I’m wrong but I fear that there is a story coming ref tunnels between Gaza and Egypt. It was pretty much known that there were smuggling tunnels but if the apparent number and size of them is true then could be difficult for the egyptian govt to claim ignorance. 

 

we could do without the Israelis and Egyptians having their peace deal fall apart.  

Spudulike

Spudulike

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1 hour ago, st albans fox said:

I hope I’m wrong but I fear that there is a story coming ref tunnels between Gaza and Egypt. It was pretty much known that there were smuggling tunnels but if the apparent number and size of them is true then could be difficult for the egyptian govt to claim ignorance. 

 

we could do without the Israelis and Egyptians having their peace deal fall apart.  

So it wasn't just civilians that Egypt and US were concerned about whilst trying to prevent the IDF from going into Rafah.

 

This is going to open a new chapter if it gets independently verified.

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