Coady

[Kuredufox]

Trying to understand how our inability to defend set pieces is happening. slowing down all of the set pieces yesterday and it was alarming to see how static we are. Especially Coady. At no point in any of the moves did he go towards the ball. Surely your centre halves have to attack it? I think the same is sometimes said of Vestegard. Is it decision made in training etc. It baffles me.

[HighPeakFox]

I think you might wish to change the name of the thread  

[fox_favourite]

28 minutes ago, Kuredufox said:

Trying to understand how our inability to defend set pieces is happening. slowing down all of the set pieces yesterday and it was alarming to see how static we are. Especially Coady. At no point in any of the moves did he go towards the ball. Surely your centre halves have to attack it? I think the same is sometimes said of Vestegard. Is it decision made in training etc. It baffles me.

But if, like you say it's training related that's not Coady's fault.

 

Both set piece were rubbish to concede, but they weren't all Coady's fault. It's positioning that is the issue. 

Edited 7 January 2024 by fox_favourite

[Wasyls Pec Deck]

Coady rhymes with Toady.

 

I think he’s more to blame for these issues myself.

 

 

[urban.spaceman]

4 hours ago, Wasyls Pec Deck said:

Coady rhymes with Toady.

 

I think he’s more to blame for these issues myself.

 

 

You leave Jared Rebecchi out of this.

[Out Foxed]

5 hours ago, Wasyls Pec Deck said:

Coady rhymes with Toady.

 

I think he’s more to blame for these issues myself.

 

 

Stonefish >>> Toadfish

[Sol thewall Bamba]

Only just watched their goals but I'm not overly fussed about them, the first one just happened to fall to their player to tap in rather than ours, and the second one ends up in the stands 99 times out of 100 in this league. 

[Ric Flair]

2 minutes ago, Sol thewall Bamba said:

Only just watched their goals but I'm not overly fussed about them, the first one just happened to fall to their player to tap in rather than ours, and the second one ends up in the stands 99 times out of 100 in this league. 

That 1st goal has been a running theme of the goals we've conceded this season though. Either poor attempt to get the first contact and then we aren't the ones to get the 2nd contact either.

 

44% of our goals that we've conceded this season are from set pieces.

 

Also that 2nd goal exposed what I think has been the main issue under Rodgers and now possibly Maresca, zonal marking. Nobody went to defend the ball as it wasn't in their patch. Crap

[Koke]

At risk of being accused of negativity, Coady Iis yet another player we can't have starting next season in the PL. The squad is too good forcthis level but I don't trust many of them in the PL.

[FosseSpark]

Zonal marking relies on individuals being rapid in their reaction when the ball comes into their area. We have a lot of players for whom that isn't a strength - i'd count vest, justin, coady in that whereas, Faes, Ricardo, Doyle are better. That's where the work needs done. You can still be ready to attack the ball or make things difficult for the opposition even if you aren't specifically tasked with marking a person or 'being the defender who attacks the ball first'. 

Hermansen is a good catcher and puncher but is told to stay home i believe.

[Wasyls Pec Deck]

21 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

 

44% of our goals that we've conceded this season are from set pieces

That is ridiculous. But also you’d think relatively straight forward to get down. I continue to live in hope. 

[Vlad the Fox]

3 minutes ago, Wasyls Pec Deck said:

That is ridiculous. But also you’d think relatively straight forward to get down. I continue to live in hope. 

You have to consider that while 44% sounds high set pieces have been the best route to our goal for most teams this season. If we aren’t giving much up elsewhere then we are likely to concede a higher percentage from set pieces. It’s the number conceded compared to other teams that probably shows a truer picture to where we’re at. But imagine if we stopped conceding them, no one will score against us  

[ALC Fox]

Conceding two in one game does bring back the PTSD of last season when we just kept giving teams headstarts. The goddamn Sky Sports graphic come up as the oppo takes a corner and we roll out the red carpet as the ball flies/meanders/dribbles into the net. Like Manuel on Fawlty Towers bowing to guests and waving them through with exaggerated deference.

 

This season we improved a lot to begin with but seem to be conceding a few more again. Something to work on because we won't be so dominant next season if we go up.

 

It's also worth pointing out that our back three hadn't played together at all this season, plus our second-choice keeper was in net, so there are mitigating circumstances.

[FosseSpark]

Worth noting that we changed our entire back four and goalie vs the Hudd game as well. So Stola, Ricardo, Nelson, Coady, Doyle came in vs Hermansen, Justin, Faes, Vestergaard, Ricardo.

[Wasyls Pec Deck]

1 hour ago, Vlad the Fox said:

You have to consider that while 44% sounds high set pieces have been the best route to our goal for most teams this season. If we aren’t giving much up elsewhere then we are likely to concede a higher percentage from set pieces. It’s the number conceded compared to other teams that probably shows a truer picture to where we’re at. But imagine if we stopped conceding them, no one will score against us  

Yes I suppose it’s all relative, and hard to use any stick to beat us with this season… and we are significantly better at everything - including defending set pieces - when compared to last season. 
 

You’ve got me thinking whether it’s even a problem now!

[fuchsntf]

I believe there are mitigating circumstances... But has the defending >better<. team.. We should be attacking the ball first, and not waiting for coincidence of defending 2nd ball. 

It happens not so often, but always at the right time for the opposition, when they have been outplayed, and noway back situation... 1-2 defenders that attack that incoming ball, doesn't half deflate the oppositions quest to find some hold into the game.. 

It is better has in the past 2 seasons

( because we are winning), but a flaw that can't be denied, and has we move on, those % need to be brought down, they are still too often to the eye, and a carte Blanche key, to open us up, where not necessary...

If we occasionally get beaten to the jump, or first ball, that's football, but it's seen from our own terraces that it's still on terms with "an issue" 

 

Like when troubleshooting at work.. It's bringing down and manouvring the %s if you can't solve it completely... because it's part of the accepted routine challenges & eradicate  totally  is not on the cards.. 

Edited 8 January 2024 by fuchsntf

[The Doctor]

2 hours ago, Vlad the Fox said:

. It’s the number conceded compared to other teams that probably shows a truer picture to where we’re at. 

For reference the 44% stat seems unlikely but this is the FBRef data 

 

 

Only Birmingham have conceded fewer than us from dead balls in the league: https://fbref.com/en/comps/10/Championship-Stats

[Ian Nacho]

6 minutes ago, The Doctor said:

For reference the 44% stat seems unlikely but this is the FBRef data 

 

 

Only Birmingham have conceded fewer than us from dead balls in the league: https://fbref.com/en/comps/10/Championship-Stats

I would assume that stat is made up of  goals direct from the set pieces as we've conceded a lot more than 2 set piece goals. 

 

We've conceded loads of goals where we haven't dealt with the first header properly. 

[Chelmofox]

4 hours ago, Ric Flair said:

That 1st goal has been a running theme of the goals we've conceded this season though. Either poor attempt to get the first contact and then we aren't the ones to get the 2nd contact either.

 

44% of our goals that we've conceded this season are from set pieces.

 

Also that 2nd goal exposed what I think has been the main issue under Rodgers and now possibly Maresca, zonal marking. Nobody went to defend the ball as it wasn't in their patch. Crap

The best way to improve that 44% set piece goals stat it to start letting in more goals in open play. Simple really. 

[filbertway]

4 hours ago, Ric Flair said:

That 1st goal has been a running theme of the goals we've conceded this season though. Either poor attempt to get the first contact and then we aren't the ones to get the 2nd contact either.

 

44% of our goals that we've conceded this season are from set pieces.

 

Also that 2nd goal exposed what I think has been the main issue under Rodgers and now possibly Maresca, zonal marking. Nobody went to defend the ball as it wasn't in their patch. Crap

If teams could finish their one on ones that we keep gifting then that percentage would drop massively to be fair.

[Ric Flair]

2 hours ago, The Doctor said:

For reference the 44% stat seems unlikely but this is the FBRef data 

 

 

Only Birmingham have conceded fewer than us from dead balls in the league: https://fbref.com/en/comps/10/Championship-Stats

That can't be a stat for set pieces, must be something far more specific.

[Jimmy]

this really is starting to look like a terrible deal, £7m and he doesn't get on in his best role when Vestergaard has to go off, now maybe Enzo felt comfortable and wanted to give Nelson time but you'd think he'd want to see Coady in that role too

[coolhandfox]

2 minutes ago, Jimmy said:

this really is starting to look like a terrible deal, £7m and he doesn't get on in his best role when Vestergaard has to go off, now maybe Enzo felt comfortable and wanted to give Nelson time but you'd think he'd want to see Coady in that role too

Things can change.

 

Just look at Vesty.

[Danno]

Been pretty crap whenever he’s played to be honest. Not even our captain yet has been a better leader than Evans though 🤫

[CrispinLA in Texas]

4 minutes ago, Jimmy said:

this really is starting to look like a terrible deal, £7m and he doesn't get on in his best role when Vestergaard has to go off, now maybe Enzo felt comfortable and wanted to give Nelson time but you'd think he'd want to see Coady in that role too

Dyche didn't want to sign him permanently at Everton and when he went back to Wolves they didn't want him. There's a reason... maybe he a nice guy but seems his best years are very much behind him

Edited 3 February 2024 by CrispinLA in Texas