Premier league clubs to vote on scrapping VAR

[Super_horns]

5 hours ago, SemperEadem said:

Not true, I don’t mind the wrong decision or a mistake from the ref as its instant.

Well we all say that but when it happens moan like mad !

[Super_horns]

1 hour ago, Silverfox14 said:

I would like to see a system based on each team having 2 referrals each match to challenge a decision.  If referral is incorrect you lose it.  If referral is upheld you keep it.

 

Similar works in other sports

Would teams accept their decisions  being rejected in football as in other sports ?

 

Think they would still kick off .

[Long Eaton Fox]

will what way each club votes for be made public ?

[Phube]

22 hours ago, Leicesterpool said:

Imagine we can celebrate a goal again without fear

Or not celebrate a perfectly valid goal ruled out incorrectly? 

[Vlad the Fox]

6 minutes ago, Phube said:

Or not celebrate a perfectly valid goal ruled out incorrectly? 

I’d take that if I could genuinely celebrate every goal given.

[Rodney Fern_8]

Henry Winter "With respect to club owners and executives, any decision on VAR should be taken only after proper consultation with a club's manager, players and supporters. Their technical/emotional input is vital.

 

As a ST holder, if asked, I'd vote to scrap it. 

 

The enjoyment of supporters, INSIDE THE STADIUMS, when the ball hits the back of the net, without VAR, is greatly enhanced. 

 

Yes, mistakes are made in the EFL by refs and linesmen however, after our one season in the Championship, I dread the thought of games with VAR next season.

 

 

 

 

Edited 17 May by Rodney Fern_8

[Foxes_Trust]

The Football Supporters Association are running a snap X/Twitter Poll, which has a limited time span, so place your vote

 

[CPepFox]

Put me down for scrapping it! 

[Dan LCFC]

10 hours ago, iancognito said:

You talk about the Newcastle incident but you'll struggle to find many other occasions where it's been wrong in European games. That gets flagged because it's been a rarity.

Even the commentators from TNT and Sky have said the difference is staggering. It's almost un-noticeable. It's always going to be subjective that was never any different and a lot of the resistance has been because people assumed all decisions would be perfect.

 

I'm not 100% behind it but this season has reminded me just how terrible refs are when they have to rely on one glance or completely missed an incident. Get rid of it and it will go back the other way, moaning about refs incompetence/corruption.

One of the selling points of VAR was that we'd have less of this. If anything we've had even more. Given how its played out this is no surprise - as VAR puts a greater emphasis on the officials.

Edited 17 May by Dan LCFC

[ozleicester]

3 hours ago, Foxes_Trust said:

The Football Supporters Association are running a snap X/Twitter Poll, which has a limited time span, so place your vote

 

Currently 77% want it scrapped.. thats enough to get you lot out of Europe but...  

Edited 17 May by ozleicester

[Tom12345]

17 hours ago, ourla said:

From last summer:

 

https://www.statista.com/chart/30699/public-opinion-of-var/#:~:text=According to survey data from,has made the game fairer.

 

So the question should be why UK is so low compared to others.

 

Statistically it makes for better decisions - but there are definite improvements to be made - especially in the UK it seems.

 

Would be bonkers to remove technology totally IMO.

I am not sure it makes better decisions overall. I think it can stay however but it should be used in a more limited way.

 

- The hairline offsite calls have ruled out so many beautiful goals that in the past they would not be ruled out. What happened to the benefit of the doubt being given to the attacking player. If it is not obvious to the naked eye (and how can the players judge otherwise), then there should be no intervention. Also the manner in which the VAR draws the lines is also subjective, so the use of VAR does not remove subjectivity.

 

- What really gets to me are those slow motion 3 second clips that the VAR shows to the Ref which are so biased towards giving a foul this should be scrapped altogether. If the on field Ref’s guy feeling is that it is not a foul, then that should be it.

 

- I am happy for VAR to judge on whether the ball cross the line or if the ball hits the hand in the penalty box as these things can be better judged with VAR.

[STEVIE B]

9 hours ago, Long Eaton Fox said:

will what way each club votes for be made public ?

Most definitely.

These type of things are often known eventually, or leaked at some point.

[Super_horns]

Even with the Automated offside system there will be controversy as they aren’t  brining it in till after the season starts so teams might lose or gain from the drawing of lines one week then a computer the next !

[Footballwipe]

VAR refereeing subjective decisions was always going to lead to this mayhem. Look at debates post controversial VAR calls. Aside from the partisan nonsense there are genuine disagreements because there are so many subjective decisions made in football matches based on the laws of the game.

 

Get rid of it by all means but proponents of scrapping VAR must accept that referees will make subjective decisions that you disagree with. They will also make mistakes. They are human. Players earning £10m a year make mistakes, so why do we expect referees and linesmen not to? Referees cannot, have never been and never will be perfect.

 

Obviously the above is horseshit and no-one will do that, we've got our fair share of tin foil conspirators on here about VAR/referees (as do all clubs).

 

I hate that it's use is so inconsistent in that for the whole EFL season it's not used but in the playoff final it is. I hate that in the FA Cup it's used when it can be but other games in the same round can be decided without VAR intervention. I hate that if we scrapped it it'd still be used in the UEFA/FIFA tournaments.

 

People talk about "it's the people not the technology" but that, to me, makes no difference at all. The people will ALWAYS be the source of controversy because they're fvcking people, not robots, and football laws are not all binary like offside (and even that's a shitshow).

 

There's also not a large pool of people to choose from. You need people who have the fitness level, the aptitude to learn and know the rules, the mental strength to do the job in front of thousands in a stadium and millions on TV and to take the almost intolerable levels of abuse that comes with the job. And even if you have VAR specialists who don't need that, you're still, until the end of time, going to get decisions that won't be liked.

[Dan LCFC]

It's not the technology but the refs in just about every single instance are incapable of using it effectively. Makes you wonder.

[RonnieTodger]

8 minutes ago, Dan LCFC said:

It's not the technology but the refs in just about every single instance are incapable of using it effectively. Makes you wonder.

Fed up with that “VAR isn’t the problem, it’s the people!!!” argument.

 

Whats the alternative? Robots? 

[brendanmcgovern1988]

None of the bigger clubs in the league will vote against it so its probably a non-starter, hope to be pleasantly surprised but not expecting any change, too much money will be lost if it goes

[st albans fox]

14 hours ago, Foxes_Trust said:

The Football Supporters Association are running a snap X/Twitter Poll, which has a limited time span, so place your vote

 

Similar to the enzo in/out after Plymouth then ….

[Dahnsouff]

1 hour ago, RonnieTodger said:

Fed up with that “VAR isn’t the problem, it’s the people!!!” argument.

 

Whats the alternative? Robots? 

My mate ChatGPT’s the ref

[Will1981]

1 hour ago, RonnieTodger said:

Fed up with that “VAR isn’t the problem, it’s the people!!!” argument.

 

Whats the alternative? Robots? 

Should have five separate booths with a referee in each one, they then all have one minute to decide any controversial decisions, then have 5 green or red lights under the score board in each ground and go with the majority decision for each incident 

[Chrysalis]

14 hours ago, Foxes_Trust said:

The Football Supporters Association are running a snap X/Twitter Poll, which has a limited time span, so place your vote

 

Shortest non TV poll in history? its already closed.

[sylofox]

2 hours ago, RonnieTodger said:

Fed up with that “VAR isn’t the problem, it’s the people!!!” argument.

 

Whats the alternative? Robots? 

Better training and common sense. Let's be honest when is a big toe over the line an advantage. Also when drawing that line they can't always see the ball being kicked in the same shot. Arms being offside? Only keepers can use arms and hands except for a throw in.

 

VAR is not the problem it's only showing you again what happened. It's the idiots using it that make the decisions.

 

Practically every goal goes to var and ruins the whole game for supporters celebrating.

 

One of the first games with var we played that I seen spuds and a big toe was offside. Yes I hate them and laughed but from that point I knew var was wrong.

 

Var the way it is used is a total joke and I for one won't be watching our games if they keep it. I'd already made my mind up Blackburn would be my last game. I watch us for the excitement not to wait five minutes to celebrate a goal.

[VictorFox]

There’s nothing wrong with the technology it’s the clowns that are put in charge of it that are the issue 

[Footballwipe]

14 minutes ago, sylofox said:

Better training and common sense. Let's be honest when is a big toe over the line an advantage. Also when drawing that line they can't always see the ball being kicked in the same shot. Arms being offside? Only keepers can use arms and hands except for a throw in.

 

VAR is not the problem it's only showing you again what happened. It's the idiots using it that make the decisions.

 

Practically every goal goes to var and ruins the whole game for supporters celebrating.

 

One of the first games with var we played that I seen spuds and a big toe was offside. Yes I hate them and laughed but from that point I knew var was wrong.

 

Var the way it is used is a total joke and I for one won't be watching our games if they keep it. I'd already made my mind up Blackburn would be my last game. I watch us for the excitement not to wait five minutes to celebrate a goal.

That's not in the laws though. The law is that any part of the scoring body is ahead it's offside. We can't start picking and choosing based on "common sense" because the law doesn't allow for it and there are enough tin foil cries of corruption in football as there is. Tbh I don't disagree that something like that is ridiculous, but they're working in the parameters of what the laws are. Referees don't make the laws, they enforce them.

 

VAR is showing what happened but like someone above said, these people are not robots. You can train them to within an inch of their life and I bet of the 20 refs some decisions wouldn't be unanimous, even with VAR for help.

 

I know I'm going on like a bore but for me the problem isn't VAR or even the people using VAR, it's the wider football community which DEMANDS perfection, it DEMANDS every decision to be right and talked itself into thinking technology (goal line tech aside) would resolve everything and make arguments go away. It won't. It never will. In fact the media would hate it if it did because it'd kill debate.

 

Whilst I'm a one-track snorefest on defending referees I know there will be debate and criticism as long as football exists, so let's just... have it and sack off VAR? VAR hasn't stopped accusations of cheating, it hasn't helped stop arguments and debate and cleared up issues that were opaque before. In fact in some instances it's done the opposite. Plus it's driven people away because of the horrendous delays.

 

[Super_horns]

It is being used for humans to make subjective decisions depending on what they see on the day .

Unsurprisingly they all think differently hence the inconsistency and lack of perfection some probably expected .

I presume they did consider all that before it came in?

Works in other sports as generally the decisions are factual.