Cooper - OUT

[Mickyblueeyes]

42 minutes ago, Fox92 said:

Can say that about any manager  

 

Bournmouth missed lots of chances against Chelsea and should have won the game. Is Enzo living off them being shit at finishing? 

I think the point that was being made is that at present, there is an issue with what is being added to the team and its success at the moment. I don’t think you can put a pin on one performance/game (in the season or pre-season) and argue it’s been manager led/inspired. 
 

No idea or Enzo. 

[guest123]

6 minutes ago, ClaphamFox said:

If he'd lost the changing room we wouldn't be consistently getting ourselves back into games after going behind. They're fighting for him, which is in stark contrast to how the players performed during the relegation season under Rodgers.

I disagree, I think they are fighting for themselves not that clown, coming back into games despite cooper not because 

[Fox92]

8 minutes ago, Mickyblueeyes said:

I think the point that was being made is that at present, there is an issue with what is being added to the team and its success at the moment. I don’t think you can put a pin on one performance/game (in the season or pre-season) and argue it’s been manager led/inspired. 
 

No idea or Enzo. 

Second half against Spurs is all I've got. I still think we would have won that had the injury not killed the game.

 

I'm not looking for a defence of Cooper. We are terrible. But I expected it. We were promoted and our manager left, we then hired a cheap option, it was always going to be a mess. I said all along if we finish 17th then it's job done.

 

I'm not knocking Cooper for taking the job. Anyone in his position would have done it. As always it all comes back to the board with a terrible appointment that seems to have no thought behind it.

 

I'm not getting into discussions about Enzo either. He won promotion with one of the best squad's the second tier has ever seen. Even then we didn't even reach 100 points. He's gone, he wanted to go, so fvck it.

Edited 1 October 2024 by Fox92

[Bourbon Fox]

1 hour ago, Happy Fox said:

'Other clubs around Manchester United seem to be improving'published at 10:15 British Summer Time

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Other clubs around Manchester United seem to be improving and getting better by bringing in new coaches who are real tacticians and very detailed.

The level of coaching is through the roof now. I was lucky enough to work under Enzo [Marsesca] last year and I experienced a coach with a level of detail that I’ve never seen before and now he’s gone on to Chelsea. 

Chelsea are starting to play certain styles now and when we think of the top teams; Arsenal, Chelsea and Liverpool, these are the teams who are winning games and we lookat the level of coaches there.

 

No wonder the players are not to happy Cooper is inept, the standards have well and truly dropped with Cooper.

Oof

[honeybradger]

Watch us sack Cooper then sign Scott Parker.

[Gazza M]

23 minutes ago, trooky said:

Enzo is superior in everyway to Cooper and was hugely respected by the players last season.

 

Cooper is a negative, clueless whining cvnt who will never get anywhere near a top job like Chelsea.

 

We've made a massive mistake in appointing Cooper who's the polar opposite to Enzo in terms of style, why would the club even consider this to be a good appointment or succession plan? 

 

Cooper spoke about a continuation of style in his early interviews but his first move was to break up Vestergaard Winks and Pereira who were pivotal last year. He's a winless fraud.

 

 

 

 

 

 

I believe Enzo was being labelled a "fraud" on here at the start of April. "Poundland Pep" etc. Now we are pining for him back. 

 

Sack Cooper and all that toxic negativity is draining. I dare say if we had hung on v Arsenal and Palace this thread wouldn't even exist. 

 

We are still not even in the bottom 3 yet. Let the guy have his 4 games next against lesser opposition. If we flop ( no wins) then he probably quite rightly deserves to go. 

 

Personally I think we will take 8 points and be undefeated in the next 4. 

[Lambert09]

52 minutes ago, foxesfan98 said:

Yeah he'd be decent there but you'd think Glasner will have enough credit in the bank after their end to last season to be given more time then we'll give Cooper.

different expectation i’d imagine. Their board wanted to push on so a few more weeks sat in the relegation zone and i could see them pulling the plug. 

 

Our lot will still be sat there thinking that this is just what we should be expecting 

[Pliskin]

3 hours ago, trooky said:

Enzo is superior in everyway to Cooper and was hugely respected by the players last season.

 

Cooper is a negative, clueless whining cvnt who will never get anywhere near a top job like Chelsea.

 

We've made a massive mistake in appointing Cooper who's the polar opposite to Enzo in terms of style, why would the club even consider this to be a good appointment or succession plan? 

 

Cooper spoke about a continuation of style in his early interviews but his first move was to break up Vestergaard Winks and Pereira who were pivotal last year. He's a winless fraud.

 

 

 

 

 

 

I wonder if they were looking at Coopers stint with Swansea, where he tried to carry on Potters style. I can kind of understand why they went with Cooper, but he’s been a disaster thus far…. He’s proven that he’s utterly clueless as to what to do with us, because he said as you rightly pointed out, that he wasn’t changing much, yet he’s not even starting the players who were pivotal in what we did last season. 
 

That couple with the complete tactical cluster ****s V Palace and Everton just show that he hasn’t got a grip of this team. 
 

I don’t think he’s lost the dressing room, because I don’t think he’s ever really had it, it’s okay people dismissing articles suggesting a lack of harmony in the dressing room with some players, but there’s no smoke without fire. 
 

He’s clearly struggling and is clearly out of his depth. 

Edited 1 October 2024 by Pliskin

[Tuna]

1 hour ago, trooky said:

Enzo is superior in everyway to Cooper and was hugely respected by the players last season.

 

Cooper is a negative, clueless whining cvnt who will never get anywhere near a top job like Chelsea.

 

We've made a massive mistake in appointing Cooper who's the polar opposite to Enzo in terms of style, why would the club even consider this to be a good appointment or succession plan? 

 

Cooper spoke about a continuation of style in his early interviews but his first move was to break up Vestergaard Winks and Pereira who were pivotal last year. He's a winless fraud.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Personal abuse is unnecessary

[Muzzy_no7]

25 minutes ago, Gazza M said:

I believe Enzo was being labelled a "fraud" on here at the start of April. "Poundland Pep" etc. Now we are pining for him back. 

 

Sack Cooper and all that toxic negativity is draining. I dare say if we had hung on v Arsenal and Palace this thread wouldn't even exist. 

 

We are still not even in the bottom 3 yet. Let the guy have his 4 games next against lesser opposition. If we flop ( no wins) then he probably quite rightly deserves to go. 

 

Personally I think we will take 8 points and be undefeated in the next 4. 

Brenzo almost single handily cost us promotion last season with his stubbornness and lack of subs during that spell of 8-10 games. I’ve not seen many, if any ‘pine for him back’. His style wouldn’t suit a club in our position. 
 

Sack Cooper and it really is quite simple: we get someone in who’s competent and maximise our chances of surviving comfortably and building back towards the top half. 
 

We are only not in the bottom 3 due to a literal once in a blue moon start to the PL. our XG stats and performances have been abysmal at both ends. 
 

We let this plonker loose on the most pivotal month of this season and we are shooting ourselves in the foot. 
 

8pts from 4? You’re asking Steve to do something he’s never done. Not gonna happen. 

[trooky]

2 minutes ago, Tuna said:

Personal abuse is unnecessary

It's not abuse, it's an adjective to describe my contempt of the man, his tactics and demeanour when representing our club in interviews. 

[pmcla26]

32 minutes ago, Gazza M said:

I believe Enzo was being labelled a "fraud" on here at the start of April. "Poundland Pep" etc. Now we are pining for him back. 

 

Sack Cooper and all that toxic negativity is draining. I dare say if we had hung on v Arsenal and Palace this thread wouldn't even exist. 

 

We are still not even in the bottom 3 yet. Let the guy have his 4 games next against lesser opposition. If we flop ( no wins) then he probably quite rightly deserves to go. 

 

Personally I think we will take 8 points and be undefeated in the next 4. 

But the facts are we didn't, and Cooper's subs in both games had negative effects on the team that played a part in us conceding late goals. 

[ClaphamFox]

41 minutes ago, guest123 said:

I disagree, I think they are fighting for themselves not that clown, coming back into games despite cooper not because 

You seem to have fallen into the trap of assuming that anything bad must be because of Cooper anything good must be in spite of him. It's an easy mindset to fall into when you dislike a manager, but I don't think it's an accurate one.

When I look at the way we play, I see a clear continuity between ourselves and Cooper's Forest. They also didn't have a clear style of play or a much of an identity, but they did have some battling qualities because the players were apparently willing to run through a brick wall for Cooper even when they didn't fully understand what he wanted them to do. In the end, this was enough to keep them up while we went down with a vastly superior squad - but one whose relationship with our manager had completely disintegrated. We're now a bit like Forest were that season - tactically poor and without a clear identity, but with some battling qualities that will gain us a few points along the way.

 

I think in Maresca the club appointed somebody who is going to be an elite coach at the very top of the game. The players were in awe of him and loved playing for him, but then he walked out on us at the first opportunity. The club then appointed a manager who wasn't really qualified to carry on where Maresca left off, but was available for free and wanted the job. The players are struggling to adapt to this change.

 

I don't think Cooper is anywhere near Maresca's level as a coach, but I also don't think he's quite as bad as some on here clearly believe. I also think the personal vitriol directed at him is massively over the top. He now has the opportunity in the next four games to prove that he can set us up to beat bottom-half sides, which is a prerequisite to survival in the PL. If he doesn't start winning games in the next few weeks, he'll be gone.

Edited 1 October 2024 by ClaphamFox

[Happy Fox]

37 minutes ago, Gazza M said:

I believe Enzo was being labelled a "fraud" on here at the start of April. "Poundland Pep" etc. Now we are pining for him back. 

 

Sack Cooper and all that toxic negativity is draining. I dare say if we had hung on v Arsenal and Palace this thread wouldn't even exist. 

 

We are still not even in the bottom 3 yet. Let the guy have his 4 games next against lesser opposition. If we flop ( no wins) then he probably quite rightly deserves to go. 

 

Personally I think we will take 8 points and be undefeated in the next 4. 

Not a chance mate, the likes of Bournemouth , Forest barring Southampton are significantly better managed than us. I think at best we will beat Southampton away and draw at Ipswich away, 4 points from 4 games isn’t going to keep us up! The sooner Cooper is sacked the better as far as our chances go to avoiding the drop.

[Samilktray]

I still get a little bit teary eyed thinking back on our year with Enzo, what a man 

 

 

[Mickyblueeyes]

50 minutes ago, Fox92 said:

Second half against Spurs is all I've got. I still think we would have won that had the injury not killed the game.

 

I'm not looking for a defence of Cooper. We are terrible. But I expected it. We were promoted and our manager left, we then hired a cheap option, it was always going to be a mess. I said all along if we finish 17th then it's job done.

 

I'm not knocking Cooper for taking the job. Anyone in his position would have done it. As always it all comes back to the board with a terrible appointment that seems to have no thought behind it.

 

I'm not getting into discussions about Enzo either. He won promotion with one of the best squad's the second tier has ever seen. Even then we didn't even reach 100 points. He's gone, he wanted to go, so fvck it.

Ok, I don’t think I was trying to discuss with you on anything but good to know. 
 

What we have agreed on is apart from 20 minutes v Spurs, there has been little added to the side on the appointment. 

[SixtiesFox]

I have this nagging feeling that Cooper was brought in with next season's Championship battle in mind. With a 10 point deduction looming our clueless board were essentially waving the white flag rather than going for it. Cooper kept Forest up because his shortcomings as a coach were forgiven by a fan base ravenous for PL football after a 20 year absence. He also had credit in the bank for getting them out of the Championship against the odds. In contrast, our fan base has recently experienced a PL title and an FA cup triumph, so the dross Cooper is serving up was bound to quickly create a toxic atmosphere. We should have been braver and gone for Corberan who would have built on rather than undermine what Maresca was building. Until our inept, 'rud'derless (the irony) board are replaced, expect us to continue our descent back into the Championship where the EFL are waiting to give us a proper caning. We all know Cooper should be moved on sooner rather than later but we also know the trigger won't be pulled until it is too late!

[FLINTHAMFC]

1 hour ago, Sol thewall Bamba said:

It always blows my mind how people will make these statements that are so easy to disprove with a 5 second Google search.

 

We conceded the least goals in the league last season.

Sure did. Poor championship finishing, what you don't get away with in the Premier league. I look past the results. 

[Tuna]

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Edited 1 October 2024 by Tuna

[Les-TA-Jon]

1 hour ago, Gazza M said:

I believe Enzo was being labelled a "fraud" on here at the start of April. "Poundland Pep" etc. Now we are pining for him back. 

 

Sack Cooper and all that toxic negativity is draining. I dare say if we had hung on v Arsenal and Palace this thread wouldn't even exist. 

 

We are still not even in the bottom 3 yet. Let the guy have his 4 games next against lesser opposition. If we flop ( no wins) then he probably quite rightly deserves to go. 

 

Personally I think we will take 8 points and be undefeated in the next 4. 

We already did that vs Palace and Everton. 

[winteriscoming]

33 minutes ago, Samilktray said:

I still get a little bit teary eyed thinking back on our year with Enzo, what a man 

 

 

Yes it was magical losing to rubbish like QPR, Millwall, Plymouth and Bristol City. 

[filbertway]

Still think us and Southampton would be leading the sack race if Enzo was here. He wasn't willing to change his philosophy, much like Martin and we'd absolutely be taking some beatings.

 

In terms of mindset though, there's an absolute world between the 2.

 

If we stay up this season, Cooper's aim will always be 17th, can never see him pushing the club on. With Enzo you felt like it was a project with the aim to consistently evolve and improve.

 

Ultimately it doesn't matter who the manager is, the clowns above the manager mean the club will continue to regress. I don't think they'll accept they've got anything wrong until we slide into the relegation zone in the championship. Which just feels inevitable in the next 3/4 years under this ownership.

 

The clubs value and stock continues to fall, they won't commit to infrastructure investments. It's a shame because they were given an incredible base by Vichai and Pearson. They literally had a first hand experience of what the ingredients of success looked like.

 

The scary thing is that there's no guarantee the next owners will be an improvement. The top end of the game is absolutely infested with sharks that want a piece of that Premier League money and exposure.

 

 

[Sol thewall Bamba]

16 minutes ago, FLINTHAMFC said:

Sure did. Poor championship finishing, what you don't get away with in the Premier league. I look past the results. 

It's all relative though. Rotherham faced largely the same strikers as us but conceded over twice as many as we did. Saying we defended badly last season is just factually incorrect.

 

And if you're ignoring stats and results, what exactly are you taking into consideration? Vibes?

[cityfanlee23]

1 hour ago, Miquel The Work Geordie said:

 

Can't be in doubt that we had a wobble towards the end defensively, but ultimately we conceded the fewest goals in the division last season. I think calling us very sloppy is wide of the mark, and saying we made "multiple massive mistakes every game" is hyperbole. In the past ten years, only 3 Championship sides have bettered our +48 GD from last season and the defence played a part in that as well as the boys up top.

 

 

In pretty much every game of the season we gifted multiple clear cut chances to our opponents through our own mistakes rather than the opponents class. 
 

Can’t deny our goals against record was impressive, but only on paper, defensively we were nothing special and if we defended like that this season it wouldn’t be much better than what we are dishing up today. Stats can blur reality, the attacking power of the championship is poor. 

[Miquel The Work Geordie]

Just now, cityfanlee23 said:

In pretty much every game of the season we gifted multiple clear cut chances to our opponents through our own mistakes rather than the opponents class. 
 

Can’t deny our goals against record was impressive, but only on paper, defensively we were nothing special and if we defended like that this season it wouldn’t be much better than what we are dishing up today. Stats can blur reality, the attacking power of the championship is poor. 

 

No, we didn't.