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Premier League 2024/25

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filbertway

filbertway

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18 minutes ago, UniFox21 said:

Think this just about sums up the Prem and English football 

Who cares about the glasses, what about the elbow he dished out? lol

 

I feel like the focus has been on the wrong thing here haha

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BKLFox

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& so it begins for Forest, to ward off potential suitors they have now started contract extensions with multiple players, Wood, Murillo & Aina to start with.
Now, & i know we can't take the internet as gospel but from what i can see Murillo is only on £30kpw but if we take that as face value, the fact he has been so important to them & that he will be getting looked at by other clubs there is a massive jump about to happen.
His CB partner Milenkovic is on (again face value) £105kpw, Murillo agent will be wanting this kind of wage or atleast £80kpw + but would imagine he'd be going in to match Milenkovic's & as i say the problems start here as Forest only have 4 players on north of £80k, now its going to be 5 (6 with JWP but assume they not covering all his wages but then again they probably are £115k)
but
Wood is 1 of the 4 so his current £80kpw will be going up & it won't be 5k what would the point be if they looking to extend so lets say £90-100k for what is now a 33yr old who is having a purple season.
Aina it's suggested is on £40k so you have to think double that, so now they have 6 players over the 80k threshold.


We then look at MGW & CHO who are both on £80k already, they are only 24/23yrs old & will certainly be raising a few glances from other clubs so how long before they are being offered £100k+ pushing that to 4/5 over £100k + JWP so 6 if fully paying wages.
Next its Sangare on £75k who will need to prove his fitness as currently out injured but he's on the borders of £80k, the remainder are £50k & below but 1 good season can push those up considerably wage wise.
That's before anyone else is brought in, be it this winter or end of the season.

Just 1 good season breaks your wage structure to pieces as was shown with us, especially if they want to keep the unit together which i'm sure they will, a few fringe players will be sold but the high earners will be getting more.

Europe will help massively but i'll just say enjoy it whilst it lasts because as the other contenders have shown it can't be sustained due to the 'rules'.

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Sunbury Fox

Sunbury Fox

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1 hour ago, Deeg67 said:

Forest 2024-25 after 20 matches - 40 points

Leicester 2015-16 after 20 matches - 40 points

Leicester 2019/20 after 20 matches - 42 points

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Bilo

Bilo

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10 minutes ago, BKLFox said:

& so it begins for Forest, to ward off potential suitors they have now started contract extensions with multiple players, Wood, Murillo & Aina to start with.
Now, & i know we can't take the internet as gospel but from what i can see Murillo is only on £30kpw but if we take that as face value, the fact he has been so important to them & that he will be getting looked at by other clubs there is a massive jump about to happen.
His CB partner Milenkovic is on (again face value) £105kpw, Murillo agent will be wanting this kind of wage or atleast £80kpw + but would imagine he'd be going in to match Milenkovic's & as i say the problems start here as Forest only have 4 players on north of £80k, now its going to be 5 (6 with JWP but assume they not covering all his wages but then again they probably are £115k)
but
Wood is 1 of the 4 so his current £80kpw will be going up & it won't be 5k what would the point be if they looking to extend so lets say £90-100k for what is now a 33yr old who is having a purple season.
Aina it's suggested is on £40k so you have to think double that, so now they have 6 players over the 80k threshold.


We then look at MGW & CHO who are both on £80k already, they are only 24/23yrs old & will certainly be raising a few glances from other clubs so how long before they are being offered £100k+ pushing that to 4/5 over £100k + JWP so 6 if fully paying wages.
Next its Sangare on £75k who will need to prove his fitness as currently out injured but he's on the borders of £80k, the remainder are £50k & below but 1 good season can push those up considerably wage wise.
That's before anyone else is brought in, be it this winter or end of the season.

Just 1 good season breaks your wage structure to pieces as was shown with us, especially if they want to keep the unit together which i'm sure they will, a few fringe players will be sold but the high earners will be getting more.

Europe will help massively but i'll just say enjoy it whilst it lasts because as the other contenders have shown it can't be sustained due to the 'rules'.

You can see it now.

 

Top 2025 = Marinakis 2028.

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DLH

DLH

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22 minutes ago, BKLFox said:

& so it begins for Forest, to ward off potential suitors they have now started contract extensions with multiple players, Wood, Murillo & Aina to start with.
Now, & i know we can't take the internet as gospel but from what i can see Murillo is only on £30kpw but if we take that as face value, the fact he has been so important to them & that he will be getting looked at by other clubs there is a massive jump about to happen.
His CB partner Milenkovic is on (again face value) £105kpw, Murillo agent will be wanting this kind of wage or atleast £80kpw + but would imagine he'd be going in to match Milenkovic's & as i say the problems start here as Forest only have 4 players on north of £80k, now its going to be 5 (6 with JWP but assume they not covering all his wages but then again they probably are £115k)
but
Wood is 1 of the 4 so his current £80kpw will be going up & it won't be 5k what would the point be if they looking to extend so lets say £90-100k for what is now a 33yr old who is having a purple season.
Aina it's suggested is on £40k so you have to think double that, so now they have 6 players over the 80k threshold.


We then look at MGW & CHO who are both on £80k already, they are only 24/23yrs old & will certainly be raising a few glances from other clubs so how long before they are being offered £100k+ pushing that to 4/5 over £100k + JWP so 6 if fully paying wages.
Next its Sangare on £75k who will need to prove his fitness as currently out injured but he's on the borders of £80k, the remainder are £50k & below but 1 good season can push those up considerably wage wise.
That's before anyone else is brought in, be it this winter or end of the season.

Just 1 good season breaks your wage structure to pieces as was shown with us, especially if they want to keep the unit together which i'm sure they will, a few fringe players will be sold but the high earners will be getting more.

Europe will help massively but i'll just say enjoy it whilst it lasts because as the other contenders have shown it can't be sustained due to the 'rules'.

I was thinking the same the other day.

 

Although didn’t realise how little they were currently paying in wages.

But that’s the problem for them, in the future. 

At the moment they are ‘carrot and stick’. We’ll give you improved contracts for getting us into Europe.

 

Once you break into Europe, wage structure goes through the roof and it becomes a problem if you can’t repeat it. 
 

Yes you can sell assets but then once you replace those players, the new players want the same wages as others within the club.  Now it’s less ‘carrot and stick’ and more just ‘carrots no stick’.

 

And that is why our wage bill is massive and worse because we are lumped with players we can’t move on.

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ForestAreMagic

ForestAreMagic

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56 minutes ago, BKLFox said:

& so it begins for Forest, to ward off potential suitors they have now started contract extensions with multiple players, Wood, Murillo & Aina to start with.
Now, & i know we can't take the internet as gospel but from what i can see Murillo is only on £30kpw but if we take that as face value, the fact he has been so important to them & that he will be getting looked at by other clubs there is a massive jump about to happen.
His CB partner Milenkovic is on (again face value) £105kpw, Murillo agent will be wanting this kind of wage or atleast £80kpw + but would imagine he'd be going in to match Milenkovic's & as i say the problems start here as Forest only have 4 players on north of £80k, now its going to be 5 (6 with JWP but assume they not covering all his wages but then again they probably are £115k)
but
Wood is 1 of the 4 so his current £80kpw will be going up & it won't be 5k what would the point be if they looking to extend so lets say £90-100k for what is now a 33yr old who is having a purple season.
Aina it's suggested is on £40k so you have to think double that, so now they have 6 players over the 80k threshold.


We then look at MGW & CHO who are both on £80k already, they are only 24/23yrs old & will certainly be raising a few glances from other clubs so how long before they are being offered £100k+ pushing that to 4/5 over £100k + JWP so 6 if fully paying wages.
Next its Sangare on £75k who will need to prove his fitness as currently out injured but he's on the borders of £80k, the remainder are £50k & below but 1 good season can push those up considerably wage wise.
That's before anyone else is brought in, be it this winter or end of the season.

Just 1 good season breaks your wage structure to pieces as was shown with us, especially if they want to keep the unit together which i'm sure they will, a few fringe players will be sold but the high earners will be getting more.

Europe will help massively but i'll just say enjoy it whilst it lasts because as the other contenders have shown it can't be sustained due to the 'rules'.


 

Yes, even if we do well, selling well will continue to be important - to balance out wage rises and transfer fees.  

 

Murillo will go in the summer I’d have thought, as we have Morata and Carmel (currently at Oly) as good replacements.  Sangare hasn’t worked out too well, so he could leave too.  But we’ll need to buy a back-up/replacement for Wood and replace any other leavers.

 

Whilst we get mocked for supposedly being scattergun with transfers, I think the club’s network here is phenomenal.  With some high profile exceptions (particularly in our first year back) I think they’ve been exceptional at finding players who can be sold on for a profit.

 

The big worry is if we lose MGW - he’s so important to us he’s almost irreplaceable.  

DLH

DLH

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9 minutes ago, ForestAreMagic said:


 

Yes, even if we do well, selling well will continue to be important - to balance out wage rises and transfer fees.  

 

Murillo will go in the summer I’d have thought, as we have Morata and Carmel (currently at Oly) as good replacements.  Sangare hasn’t worked out too well, so he could leave too.  But we’ll need to buy a back-up/replacement for Wood and replace any other leavers.

 

Whilst we get mocked for supposedly being scattergun with transfers, I think the club’s network here is phenomenal.  With some high profile exceptions (particularly in our first year back) I think they’ve been exceptional at finding players who can be sold on for a profit.

 

The big worry is if we lose MGW - he’s so important to us he’s almost irreplaceable.  

That’s the hardest thing to do. Sell well and replace to the same ability.

 

Your network looks greater than ours and I’m sure you won’t get it as badly wrong as we have done, but already I can see the problem in Sangare. 
 

75k a week (30 million in transfer fee). Trying to recoup that or move him on is hard when all suitable takers are unlikely to afford wages/transfer fee.

 

 

 

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Corky

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Their owner will be ruthless with the manager too. If Nuno dips then he will be under pressure unlike our cosy set-up under Rodgers.

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Bert

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25 minutes ago, ForestAreMagic said:


 

Yes, even if we do well, selling well will continue to be important - to balance out wage rises and transfer fees.  

 

Murillo will go in the summer I’d have thought, as we have Morata and Carmel (currently at Oly) as good replacements.  Sangare hasn’t worked out too well, so he could leave too.  But we’ll need to buy a back-up/replacement for Wood and replace any other leavers.

 

Whilst we get mocked for supposedly being scattergun with transfers, I think the club’s network here is phenomenal.  With some high profile exceptions (particularly in our first year back) I think they’ve been exceptional at finding players who can be sold on for a profit.

 

The big worry is if we lose MGW - he’s so important to us he’s almost irreplaceable.  

And unfortunately for you, with the performances he’s putting in it’s almost inevitable someone will come calling for him. We know it all too well as Leicester fans. Enjoy him whilst you can. 

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murphy

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So, the way to counter the problem of becoming a victim of your own success is to sell an asset every summer.  The way to do that is to buy or develop youth with potential and with high ceilings.  It only seems five minutes ago that we had a team full of such assets - that is until Rodgers changed the model.  

ForestAreMagic

ForestAreMagic

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12 minutes ago, DLH said:

That’s the hardest thing to do. Sell well and replace to the same ability.

 

Your network looks greater than ours and I’m sure you won’t get it as badly wrong as we have done, but already I can see the problem in Sangare. 
 

75k a week (30 million in transfer fee). Trying to recoup that or move him on is hard when all suitable takers are unlikely to afford wages/transfer fee.

 

 

 


yes, and a club our size only needs to mess up a couple of transfer windows and everything falls apart

 

At the moment I think the club knows where we are in the food chain and the recruitment strategy seems to be mainly:

 

- young Latin Americans who will use us as a stepping stone to a bigger club

- players with some experience who aren’t getting minutes at a big club (Elanga, CHO, Wood)

 

Maybe this will evolve.  The fans would be happy with being an established mid table  PL club like in the 80s.  Marinakis wants us in Europe every year in my opinion, and that will drive what the club does.  

 

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whoareyaaa

whoareyaaa

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18 minutes ago, DLH said:

That’s the hardest thing to do. Sell well and replace to the same ability.

 

Your network looks greater than ours and I’m sure you won’t get it as badly wrong as we have done, but already I can see the problem in Sangare. 
 

75k a week (30 million in transfer fee). Trying to recoup that or move him on is hard when all suitable takers are unlikely to afford wages/transfer fee.

 

 

 

Newcastle seem to be doing ok but they do have a top class manager so I think that helps, after Pearson we didn't have anyone who could build a team.. Puel done well but he wasn't here long enough. Rodgers just ****ed it.

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chris1232

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7 minutes ago, whoareyaaa said:

Newcastle seem to be doing ok but they do have a top class manager so I think that helps, after Pearson we didn't have anyone who could build a team.. Puel done well but he wasn't here long enough. Rodgers just ****ed it.

Puel built the team that won us the fa cup and got us europa semis

OntarioFox

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25 minutes ago, whoareyaaa said:

Newcastle seem to be doing ok but they do have a top class manager so I think that helps, after Pearson we didn't have anyone who could build a team.. Puel done well but he wasn't here long enough. Rodgers just ****ed it.

History is proving very kind to Puel, as dross as the footy under him was. I think we'd have been in the shit situation we are now three or four years sooner without his generally shrewd recruitment and academy promotions.

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fox_favourite

fox_favourite

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7 minutes ago, Super_horns said:

Seems to be a stalemate in talks between Potter and West Ham.

 

All getting rather awkward .

 

https://x.com/TimesSport/status/1876656551936598119

To be fair, it's stupid to offer 6 months. I get why they are, but if he's the right man for them, offer a 3 year contract with a break clause if he's poo

 

He's a builder not a fixer. 

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Torten

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10 minutes ago, Super_horns said:

Seems to be a stalemate in talks between Potter and West Ham.

 

All getting rather awkward .

 

https://x.com/TimesSport/status/1876656551936598119

It feels a bit scummy all this coming out while Lopetegui is still in the job. I get that these discussions always happen behind closed doors, but it's not very classy to be doing this behind the back of a manager that is still in place. It's probably Potter's people leaking this stuff tbf though

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filbertway

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31 minutes ago, ForestAreMagic said:


yes, and a club our size only needs to mess up a couple of transfer windows and everything falls apart

 

At the moment I think the club knows where we are in the food chain and the recruitment strategy seems to be mainly:

 

- young Latin Americans who will use us as a stepping stone to a bigger club

- players with some experience who aren’t getting minutes at a big club (Elanga, CHO, Wood)

 

Maybe this will evolve.  The fans would be happy with being an established mid table  PL club like in the 80s.  Marinakis wants us in Europe every year in my opinion, and that will drive what the club does.  

 

They key is sticking to the model that got you there. It's the only way it works. Can't get sentimental or obsessed with holding on to players. Each player should have 2 or 3 potential replacements that can be targeted. Nobody can be too important to sell. There's so much talent out there, but there only seems to be a couple of clubs that are arsed in putting in the effort to find them.

 

Premier League clubs are in such a good position that they're a perfect platform. Most young players would snap their hands off to come and play, but if the club gets a reputation of holding onto players too long then the whole thing will unravel, it doesn't happen quickly either. You can have players with 18 months on their contract who will then be happy to see out their contract and leave for free.

 

The very fact that Brighton and Brentford are Premier league regulars is really astounding and I don't think people appreciate just how good they're doing to even be competitive at this level. Every club in this league is so fortunate to be in their position, but there's only a couple that are truly grasping it and using it to their full advantage.

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