Prem Officiating Abomination Journal 24/25

[Bourbon Fox]

11 hours ago, Vacamion said:

 

 

If Bournemouth's offside goal had stood, I think we would have heard a LOT more about the challenge on Buonanotte just before it, and Cooper (who was kicking off about it) would probably be facing disciplinary action from the Premier League.

 

 

One thing I do like about Cooper - he's not afraid of a fine

[wardyfox86]

Anybody who thinks the PL is going to have officials completely against us this season, should go and watch that game back. 

 

I'd be absolutely fuming with the balance of offiating in that game if I were in the Southampton camp. Shambles. 

[Bert]

20 minutes ago, wardyfox86 said:

Anybody who thinks the PL is going to have officials completely against us this season, should go and watch that game back. 

 

I'd be absolutely fuming with the balance of offiating in that game if I were in the Southampton camp. Shambles. 

Yep agree. He was crap. But today it’s gone in our favour, for a change. 

[Lionator]

Just now, Bert said:

Yep agree. He was crap. But today it’s gone in our favour, for a change. 

Yep it genuinely does level itself out a lot of the time. 

[Vacamion]

 

There were a lot of bookings, but I thought most of the yellow cards were fair enough.

 

Ayew's jersey pull might have been a penalty if VAR had any baws, but that's not down to Taylor.  

 

And if they gave Ayew's shirt pull, they would have give 20 other penalties like it every week.

 

Our penalty was stonewall, given Vardy's position when he was pulled back.

 

All in all, I don't think the officiating today was all that abominable.

 

 

 

[FrankieADZ]

see Fulham got a penalty today for handball(see it if you havent already)

yet ours against Bournemouth wasnt given......

[Fox forever]

On 05/10/2024 at 20:30, Ashley said:

This NEVER happens though. 

 

Correct law/rule of the game but they're always made to go off.

Happened today. Facundo was fouled, treated and stayed on as booking for harwood bellis

[Corky]

A clear penalty for Saints. Poor decision.

[st albans fox]

Just now, Corky said:

A clear penalty for Saints. Poor decision.

Reason that var didn’t intervene with their claim was that Taylor said he saw the incident and he didn’t think it was consequential.  It’s not clear that it was so it’s not a clear error 

Taylor obvs didn’t see the vardy pull so it was easier for var to intervene (and it was clearly consequential) 

[funkyrobot]

6 hours ago, wardyfox86 said:

Anybody who thinks the PL is going to have officials completely against us this season, should go and watch that game back. 

 

I'd be absolutely fuming with the balance of offiating in that game if I were in the Southampton camp. Shambles. 

Southampton could probably bring up that one foul on their right winger that wasn’t given but other than that not sure what complaints they can have? The pulling of the shirt by Ayew didn’t have any material impact on the play, the pulling of the shirt by Fraser clearly prevented a clear goal scoring opportunity. They were diving a lot and the ref saw through it. The extra time was in part because of the delay in treating their player and because they were time wasting at every opportunity. We all know that’s standard Ramsdale practice as we’ve been on the wrong end of it before, he needs to learn - it’s not as successful when you play for a team not in the big 6! 

[Footballwipe]

7 hours ago, wardyfox86 said:

Anybody who thinks the PL is going to have officials completely against us this season, should go and watch that game back. 

 

I'd be absolutely fuming with the balance of offiating in that game if I were in the Southampton camp. Shambles. 

The conspiracists are strangely quiet today. Maybe that agenda doesn't actually exist. Unless PGMOL/PL/FA/Illuminati are trying to balance it out to not make it so obvious.

[Tommy Fresh]

The bloke appeared to just be taking Ayew along for the ride anyway

[foxfanazer]

Yeah we definitely got away with one yesterday. We've been on the end of a couple of bad ones though so we were due 

[Foxin_Mad]

Taylor is always shit, he normally hates us too. Saints can't complain though they were shite, poor tackles worth yellows, time wasting when ahead which leads to injury time, poor game management. The Ayew pull I font thing is sn issue as he didn't have control of the ball, there are always blocks and pulls in the box, it was stupid by Ayew and you could see it given but crap ref or not giving up a 2 goal lead isn't great! 

[FOXSE]

8 hours ago, Footballwipe said:

The conspiracists are strangely quiet today. Maybe that agenda doesn't actually exist. Unless PGMOL/PL/FA/Illuminati are trying to balance it out to not make it so obvious.

I think they have thought ' we have thrown everything at them, and they aren't even in the relegation zone.... let's not bother, it's not worth it' 😄 

[Spudulike]

9 hours ago, st albans fox said:

Reason that var didn’t intervene with their claim was that Taylor said he saw the incident and he didn’t think it was consequential.  It’s not clear that it was so it’s not a clear error 

Taylor obvs didn’t see the vardy pull so it was easier for var to intervene (and it was clearly consequential) 

If that was non-consequential then it gives the green light to defenders to shirt hold in every situation where an attacker might be approaching a dangerous position. Next week it will be interpreted differently. Much like the handball rule, no one knows what is or isn't a penalty anymore. They don't make it easy for themselves.

[LcFc_Smiv]

10 minutes ago, Spudulike said:

If that was non-consequential then it gives the green light to defenders to shirt hold in every situation where an attacker might be approaching a dangerous position. Next week it will be interpreted differently. Much like the handball rule, no one knows what is or isn't a penalty anymore. They don't make it easy for themselves.

But its situational and of the referees subjective view to make these calls. Next week the same might happen and the ball might be more towards the edge of the 6 yard box rather than on top of the keeper so it does have an impact. Everyone looks at these decisions as black and white but there very much grey and that's why we have officials to judge and make these decisions, on a situation by situation basis. 

[The Quick Brown Fox]

14 hours ago, Fox forever said:

Happened today. Facundo was fouled, treated and stayed on as booking for harwood bellis

Yeah and the commentators were complaining that he didn't go off. They need to learn the rules. 

[st albans fox]

14 minutes ago, Spudulike said:

If that was non-consequential then it gives the green light to defenders to shirt hold in every situation where an attacker might be approaching a dangerous position. Next week it will be interpreted differently. Much like the handball rule, no one knows what is or isn't a penalty anymore. They don't make it easy for themselves.

It’s subjective 

Some officials will give it, some won’t.  If the ref sees an incident and judges it to not be a foul then the var can only intervene if the refs view of the incident is plainly wrong - basically if it’s a howler.  My view of that shirt pull was that the striker never seemed to attempt to run any faster and ayew simply seemed to be running along whilst holding his shirt. If Taylor had given it then fair enough but he didn’t and therefore it’s referee’s call. 
watch leeds’ second goal on Friday night and you’ll see the striker holding the defenders shirt to keep them at arms length. Shirt holding and pulling in one on one tussles has become part of the game. If we go down that road we need to make sure that it’s for absolute cast iron decisions where the party sinned against had no input themselves and where the pull has definitively had a consequence. 
 

 

[Jazzy_Jeff]

They probably looked at the refereeing performances in the games since our court case and thought they’d best even it out in case we sue them 

[The Doctor]

9 hours ago, funkyrobot said:

Southampton could probably bring up that one foul on their right winger that wasn’t given but other than that not sure what complaints they can have? The pulling of the shirt by Ayew didn’t have any material impact on the play, the pulling of the shirt by Fraser clearly prevented a clear goal scoring opportunity. They were diving a lot and the ref saw through it. The extra time was in part because of the delay in treating their player and because they were time wasting at every opportunity. We all know that’s standard Ramsdale practice as we’ve been on the wrong end of it before, he needs to learn - it’s not as successful when you play for a team not in the big 6! 

I mean that's the argument the ref made but like he gets fairly close to Hermansen, very fair to think he challenges for that ball if Ayew isn't holding him. got away with one there, if it were the other end and Okoli was being pulled like that with no penalty, this thread would be full of people accusing the PGMOL of trying to apply a points deduction on us.

[Jack1993]

I really don’t like the “having no material impact on the play” line and I’m quite surprised that it even exists as a legitimate reason not to give something. In fact I’d go as far as saying that a referee shouldn’t even have an option not to give a penalty in that situation, keeping the rules and the outcomes “black & white” protects clubs like ours against similar situations vs established Premier League opposition in the future and stops referees being able to give bollocks reasoning for not making a decision. There’s no benefit to adding nuance to such a simple & obvious decision making process.
 

Their player was trying to run freely, he was stopped from doing so intentionally by Ayew, whether he would’ve headed it or not is completely irrelevant, in fact even if he wasn’t running towards the ball it’s still a foul, just mark the lad properly and stop being lazy.

Referees weighing things up on probability based on an opinion completely personal to themselves and their own point of view can get in the bin for me.

 

Got a bit carried away with the long post but I’ve got a feeling something similar will bite us in the arse sooner or later. 

[jammie82uk]

1 hour ago, Spudulike said:

If that was non-consequential then it gives the green light to defenders to shirt hold in every situation where an attacker might be approaching a dangerous position

Howard Webb has introduced this term this season, if you are allowed to hold arms then shirt holding should be interpreted no differently 

[Spudulike]

3 hours ago, The Quick Brown Fox said:

Yeah and the commentators were complaining that he didn't go off. They need to learn the rules. 

Half the ground were singing 'you don't know what you're doing' towards the ref at the Bournemouth match last week in an identical situation.

[The Quick Brown Fox]

Just now, Spudulike said:

Half the ground were singing 'you don't know what you're doing' towards the ref at the Bournemouth match last week in an identical situation.

Ridiculous 🤣