Forest post match 3-1 loss

[leicesterlad1989]

24 minutes ago, cropstonfox said:

The manager needs to be his own man and ignore the bubbles such as Foxtalk.

Martin,Nigel Ranerri.or even Enzo wouldn't have entertained Foxtalk and the like.

He weakened the team by including Ricardo and playing two wingers.

He did a bit of Carsley before he was replaced.

If this was true, which I'm sure it's not, how weak is Cooper then? Is he really the man to keep us up? 

 

Simply, he doesn't know his best team. He doesn't have a system that works. Get him gone. 

[Kierzz]

13 minutes ago, Weller Wing said:

I disagree with loads of this tbh.

Forest were there for the taking 1st half and we were poor , they were still better than us and they weren't anywhere near their best

The goal we conceded was in off the post, Hardy Mads fault. 

 

I really am Cooper out but would say his defence let him down for all 3 goals 

 

His reaction to those goals , especially 2 and 3  were utterly disgraceful. 

 

A better coach/manager would get far more out of this squad 

 

Agree with the Cooper bit as he appears to be a very average manager and is tactically behind the elite managers you now get in the Premier League.

 

However, I will agree to disagree... in my opinion we made forest look poor in the first half as we played a different system with positional play, inverted full back, etc. They didn't appear to be expecting that which is fair enough as it's the first time we've set up like that this season. Then after Nuno had chance to adjust things with his players at half time... they blew us away

[Matt]

Thought when we got it back to 1-1 we’d push on but nope. Poor. Beyond poor.

 

What did strike me is we set up and played a similar system and style to last season. Unnecessarily playing out. Lo and behold we actually get hammering people have been predicting for weeks.

 

Stupid, brain dead defending and mistakes, gifting them.
 

It also came across as soft, not bothered, and not even doing the simple or basic requirements.

 

Edited 25 October 2024 by Matt

[splinterdream]

31 minutes ago, phildw said:

Don't get the Hermandsen man of the match. Was that based on 1 worldy save? He was at fault for all 3 for me. The first was a weakly struck shot from a long way out that saw Mads look like he was stuck in treacle and not moving across the goal. A top keeper saves that no problem. Second goal was exactly the same a hopeful shot on the turn and Mads again not on his toes and lively enough to get across his goal. Third was all three but Mads again puts himself in no man's land and makes it easy for an in form Woods.  He's a good keeper but certainly not his greatest night tonight. 

i'm angry and drinking 

[hejammy]

5 minutes ago, Tom12345 said:

I think we should give Cooper some slack here.

 

He tried Ricardo as the inverted FB, partnering Winks in possession and freeing Ndidi to be a destroyer at AM. Some of us criticised him for not trying that, but he did. Kudos for that.

 

I thought if not for the series of brain farts (Justin’s non clearance especially) that led to the Forrest’s first goal, we were the better team with more control of the game in the first half. Winks and Ricardo had plenty of space to operate in midfield with our two wingers and Ndidi stretching the pitch. Forrest had no answers to that. Our first goal was a clear demonstration of this and it was a beauty.

 

But then came half time and Forrest adjusted a bit to counter that. But I thought we could have carried on playing like we did in the first half if we didn’t concede so early. Again, it was a defensive mistake. Wood should not have been offered so much room to turn and shoot. Okoli at fault there.

 

We tried to get back into it but then another defensive brain fart led to their third goal.

 

By then, Forrest could just sit back and game manage. We could not break them down.

 

Cooper may well think this is due to Ricardo and the inverted FB system. I hope he doesn’t and it is worth for him to develop this in his own way further. We just had too many defensive lapses this game and both Faes and Justin were constantly having them this game. Okoli had the one with Wood turning but he was otherwise fine.

 

So I would put this lost more down to a new system that the players need time to adjust (back) to and there were far too many mistakes by our defenders. I wouldn’t mind dropping Justin and using Kristiansen in the same set up next game. I don’t know how to solve the Faes’ regular lapses, and perhaps we need to bring Vesty back with Okoli being the faster partner.

 

In summary, good signs showed in the first half, but individual mistakes costed us and we were poor second half.

You said it here, the first half it worked, Nuno figured out how to combat our box 4 and Cooper just stuck to it without a clue as to what to do. That's why Forest were better in the second half as we actually have a manager who is tactically inept 

[sm1]

Nuno out thought Cooper and changed the team 2nd half, and that was the end for us. Forest could've scored 4-5 goals and given us a real hiding. Our defence was so nervous, literally laying chances on a plate for them.

[Vazman]

So many below par performances from individuals tonight, which cost us, second half was horrendous, a total shit show, with a manager about as effective as a mannequin, stood on the sidelines.

 

A home match wasted, with a second half performance I really need to erase and forget, Hermansen is the only player with  a shred of credibility tonight, the rest just didn't look bothered in the second half.

[Jaspa]

Embarrassing second half, thought we were well in the game during the first, cut them open to equalise with ease and kept threatening.

 

Came out after the break with no impetus, Buonanotte looked exhausted despite just having had a breather. Missed the 3rd goal but the first two were glaring defensive errors, and of course the mercenary of 10+ clubs Wood had to score against us.

 

Forest back 3 built like brick shithouses. Was a kick in the teeth to concede so soon after the break, we looked daunted at having to go again. Nuno Santo teams usually so hard to break down.

 

Thought Ricardo held up well but would worry against him up against the likes of Hudson-Odoi every week, Ricky’s such a talented player with great professionalism and mentality but the pace these Premier League teams have is immense.

[Raj]

Remember  they hit the post twice, Mads made an amazing save 1st half and Yates missed a sitter over the bar from 5 yards.

It could easily have been 1-6 and you couldn't argue about it.

 

 

Edited 25 October 2024 by Raj

[The Doctor]

11 minutes ago, Webbo said:

We've gone from ricardo should start to why does Cooper bring on subs in the 85th minute? Do you see were I'm struggling to see the point you're making?

Ricardo should be playing, but he didn't have a great game because he's not match fit because Cooper hasn't even used him off the bench before today. He should be playing, and the poor performance is down to Cooper being utterly useless at squad management and so not keeping players fit. 

 

clear enough or do you want me to draw a picture?

[shen]

3 minutes ago, Matt said:

Thought when we got it back to 1-1 we’d push on but nope. Poor. Beyond poor.

 

What did strike me is we set up and played a similar system and style to last season. Low and behold we actually get hammering people have been predicting for weeks.

 

Stupid, brain dead defending and mistakes, gifting them.
 

It also came across as soft, not bothered, and not even doing the simple or basic requirements.

We would've had this hammering against Spurs, if they could finish in that game. The mistakes have been there all season, regardless of style, tactics or setup.

We failed miserably on all parameters second half. But I felt there was good reason to be optimistic at half time.

Mavididi's chance just before half time should've set the tone for the second half, but our proneness to make mistakes was through the roof. 

My theory is that this is caused by lack of direction or clear instructions from management. It looks like lapses of concentration, but when it happens all over the pitch, I'm thinking it's systematic. 

It's not been touched on much tonight, but we were catastrophic when defending set pieces today (again!). Where is the organization, leadership and plan?

[splinterdream]

3 minutes ago, Matt said:

Thought when we got it back to 1-1 we’d push on but nope. Poor. Beyond poor.

 

What did strike me is we set up and played a similar system and style to last season. Low and behold we actually get hammering people have been predicting for weeks.

 

Stupid, brain dead defending and mistakes, gifting them.
 

It also came across as soft, not bothered, and not even doing the simple or basic requirements.

it is odd, we did the pass through the middle thing which sometimes came off, but was so dangerous to try against a team who plays on the break like forest.

why did we just do something so different, was also odd to start a player who couldnt get on as a sub all season, and then soumare on ahead of skipp. 

i've wsnted ricardo to play but being out for so long, ease him in, im just not sure we have a manager whos prem quality, i dont get ayew either 

[UniFox21]

Genuinely dreadful defending.

They weren't that good, we've made them seem clinical with 3 absolutely clangers 

[Pliskin]

Basic fundamentals not being done. 
 

The team are constantly making basic errors, and there’s clearly a real issue with the coaching. 
 

It was more visible today than it has been in any game. Forest’s game plan was clear, you could see clear patterns of play and their key players were the number 8, Yates and the two wide players. They were able to drive through the middle of the pitch with ease at times, and the wide players had the run of the stadium…… 

 

Theres just no plan at all…… we pass it to Buonanotte, Fatawu or Mavididi and just hope and pray they do something with it, other than that there zero evidence of any proper plan. And today, it showed what a well drilled team can do to us. It’s the complete lack of movement in the midfield, everything is sideways and backwards and horrifically predictable…. Our defenders can’t defend unless is last ditch, and we only get foot patters of play when Buonanotte is charging around like a lunatic. 
 

Of we had a coach like Nuno, we would look better than we do now. Cooper is a horrible coach, and he’s not got a clue what he is doing with this team, it’s as simple as that, and it doesn’t improve until he has gone. 

[shen]

1 minute ago, UniFox21 said:

Genuinely dreadful defending.

They weren't that good, we've made them seem clinical with 3 absolutely clangers 

They were perfectly sound. They played to their strengths well and they played some good stuff at times. As mentioned in the match thread, even Aina, whom I've never rated, completely bossed their right side. 

[Lako42]

1 hour ago, Wink84 said:

Why can we play okay for only one half?

Essentially the manager actually thought it's possible to play the Enzo system on a part time basis. 

 

 

Imagine switching to that system at half time having not played it. 

 

There's a reason Enzo played it full time without compromising. It's because you can just switch it on ffs. 

 

Absolute mug 

[winteriscoming]

10 minutes ago, sm1 said:

Nuno out thought Cooper and changed the team 2nd half, and that was the end for us. Forest could've scored 4-5 goals and given us a real hiding. Our defence was so nervous, literally laying chances on a plate for them.

Really doesn’t take much to out think Cooper. There’s definitely a pattern with us not adapting to the opposition making changes at half time like Forest and the Bournemouth game. 

[Webbo]

7 minutes ago, The Doctor said:

Ricardo should be playing, but he didn't have a great game because he's not match fit because Cooper hasn't even used him off the bench before today. He should be playing, and the poor performance is down to Cooper being utterly useless at squad management and so not keeping players fit. 

 

clear enough or do you want me to draw a picture?

Doesn't he train either? Soumare hasn't played much either, are you making excuses for him?

[Paninistickers]

Where was VK today? Anyone know?

[Bert]

1 minute ago, Webbo said:

Doesn't he train either? Soumare hasn't played much either, are you making excuses for him?

It’s a poor argument this. We know what Ricardo can do. We’ve seen nothing from Soumare. 

[Bert]

Just now, Paninistickers said:

Where was VK today? Anyone know?

Groin injury. 

[moore_94]

Just now, Paninistickers said:

Where was VK today? Anyone know?

Out with a groin strain

[Mad Dog]

I think we looked as good as we have all season first half and could have put the game to bed really. Terrible mistake for the goal aside, looked comfortable, just made the wrong decisions at the business end.

 

Two terrible errors for the goals in the second half and they completely gave up, I couldn't believe what I was watching - felt we could have stepped up a gear and got back into it even 1-3 down but they never even tried.

 

8 more wins needed. Let's start next week.

[Lako42]

The xg for and against will start to become more of a reality from here imo. 

 

Big trouble 

[Webbo]

1 minute ago, Bert said:

It’s a poor argument this. We know what Ricardo can do. We’ve seen nothing from Soumare. 

We know what he could do. 

The manager sees the players in training.its very unlikely  that he's less intelligent that our pundits on here. He's probably not keeping him out for spite. Simplest explanation is, he's not performing as well in training.