Ruud van Nistelrooy - New Manager - Official

[HarryDee8]

He's got to win at least 8 out of 18 games

 

That takes us to 38 measly points

 

 

[StanSP]

Just now, HarryDee8 said:

He's got to win at least 8 out of 18 games

 

That takes us to 38 measly points

 

 

38 will be way more than enough to survive. 

 

Don't think 8 is needed although it'd be very welcome if so! 

[Dan]

I'm not RVN out but it's hard to really make a case for this - it's been a crap start. If this is the honeymoon period then god help us.

 

I do think he's working with hands tied behind his back by the most inept board in the Premier League - another game today blown on the same useless defence we've had to tolerate all season because of more board inaction. But he isn't helping himself.

 

I think without a decent return from Palace and Fulham the consensus will turn quite heavily against him. A midtable and a bottom half side, both at home. If we can't pick up a minimum of 4 points from those I think we're gone - and I don't think we'll do it either.

[HankMarvin]

4 hours ago, Dahnsouff said:

So we think should we go down, we will suffer from

• Points deduction
  • How much can it really be? 8-10 points?
• Loss of manager
• High wages for plenty of the lads
  • You would hope those signed in the last 2-3 years have decent sized relegation reduction clauses
  • Other we do not want would need to be pushed far harder than usually do
  • Some would go because they feel they are better than the Championship

That it?

If the club go down it’s not coming back for a long time. We struggled to comply with 83m last season.

Relegation would mean 61m next season. It really is shit or bust time 

Edited 5 January by HankMarvin

[Leicesterpool]

With this squad we have this season no manager would be able to get anything out of this bunch. Cant be bothered to blame RVP or even Cooper come to mention it.

[john ridley]

We don't deserve to stay up the way this shit shows been run.Top ,Rudkin Whelan need to see what afvck up they've done.If that means bottom half championship  football with shit crowds  so be it .One day reality will hit home but by then we'll be well and truly  shafted .

[Bluearmyfox28]

11 hours ago, Fosse93 said:

Guess it’s just me who can see some progress then? I’m not sure how much of this can be pinned on Ruud to be honest.

 

Maybe people need to start voicing more concern over those who run the club, rather than digging out every manager we have. Ruud is not the issue IMO.

Agreed, I think we’ve seen a huge improvement. It’s easy to forget about the past, we was dreadful under Cooper and I was scratching my head how we got the amount of points we had. 
 

Questions do need to be asked with regards to Buonanotte not being picked, but I think Ruud tried to nullify Digne today who plays a huge role in their attacking build up. Do I agree with the decision? No. But I can see the thinking and I actually think Ayew had a good game. 
 

I asked the same question in the post match thread but for everyone that’s Ruud out based on results how many points did you expect from our last 5 games? To clarify that was Newcastle, Wolves, Liverpool, Man City and Villa. At most I thought we would get 3, I'm intrigued what others think though as I honestly think these negative responses are ignoring how difficult this stretch of 5 games has been.

 

As far as I’m concerned from fixtures we realistically had a chance against (West Ham, Wolves, Brighton) I would have wanted 4-6 points. We got 4?!

[Bluearmyfox28]

9 hours ago, SafewayFox said:

FoxesTalk is the home of rewriting history….anyone defending Cooper’s transfer window or complete lack of tactics are simply on the wind up.

 

Ruud may or may not be good enough but Cooper played a huge part in our awful Summer transfer window.

 

Bilal is the only signing that improves our starting 11 and when making the jump with already a lot of question marks over certain positions/players, that’s destined to end up in misery.

Yeah I’m reading through this thread as we speak and I genuinely find it baffling that people think we were better or on par with Cooper’s team.
 

Absolutely delusional, Ruud genuinely has my full backing, I’ve been impressed with how far we’ve come from how we looked under Cooper in the short amount of training time we’ve had. 
 

I find it hilarious when some fans are so opinionated but choose to ignore the clear obstacles Ruud has been dealt already. 
 

I would go as far to say if we continue to improve the way we have the past 5 weeks, I would stick with Ruud to get us back into the prem too.

[Sly]

1 hour ago, Bluearmyfox28 said:

Yeah I’m reading through this thread as we speak and I genuinely find it baffling that people think we were better or on par with Cooper’s team.
 

Absolutely delusional, Ruud genuinely has my full backing, I’ve been impressed with how far we’ve come from how we looked under Cooper in the short amount of training time we’ve had. 
 

I find it hilarious when some fans are so opinionated but choose to ignore the clear obstacles Ruud has been dealt already. 
 

I would go as far to say if we continue to improve the way we have the past 5 weeks, I would stick with Ruud to get us back into the prem too.

I don’t think you can compare Cooper and RVN, due to all the injuries that we currently have.

 

I do have questions though and I’m

assuming that’s due to the inexperience of RVN.

 

1. The non use of Buonanotte.

 

2. The lack of staff.

 

3. Playing Ward when said staff were present; so should have known he’s broken.

 

4. Whilst the games against West Ham and Brighton were more exciting to watch, we should have been out of sight.

 

5. The football we are playing now is on par with what Cooper was doing. Just different players due to injuries or personal preferences. We are no better or worse in my opinion.

 

RVN has better contacts and is more comfortable with the media. So I do believe we have a better chance of getting out of this mess with him at the helm. 
 

I can also guarantee that if we’d have pulled in Lee Carsley and he’d had these results, the fans would be hammering him.

[ozleicester]

9 hours ago, Raj said:

Weve traded in a banged out Ford focus for a top of the range Mercedes.

Unfortunately  the Mercedes which looked decent on paper has a bust up engine, been clocked and is smoking from the exhausts when you rev it!!!

[CrazyKopCorner]

It was a Cooper team selection and performance yesterday. To keep playing JJ is a dereliction of duty. Also what’s his problem with Bunonette? Poor team selection, poor set led to poor performance. 

They were there for the taking and on that performance they would have only beaten us and Southampton in this league - I thought they were crap in the main. 

Apart from JJ and Victors illness why did he change the team? Baffling as usual.
 

To be fair you can’t make a silk purse out of these players they lack quality and desire. 
 

Get rid of the majority of them and start again. 

Edited 5 January by CrazyKopCorner

[LCFCJohn]

I’m far from convinced by RVN. But it’s a tall ask for any manager to work under the shit show above them.

 

I do think we are committed now for the season so just need to see how it pans out.

 

The only person who jumps out who I would be keen on is Danny Rohl. He may get poached for bigger things or even bring Wednesday up. But he has done a great job there.

 

He is used to working in a shit show under a Thai man child with a limited understanding of football. So that would equip him to work here under Top with the same characteristics.

 

Also how he picked Wednesday up on about 5 points in November last year and guided them to safety would be no dissimilar to working under a points deduction in the sense of clawing back a deficit first.

 

And of course working under limited finances.

 

I think he’d be the best option for next season in the Championship but might already be at a point he wouldn’t touch us. Really now we are at a point we can only damage a manager reputation and not make it. Unless someone fancies a huge risk like RVN, we are probably just recruiting has beens.

Edited 5 January by LCFCJohn

[Pliskin]

6 hours ago, jayfox26 said:

100%. We go down this season then we'll not be seeing premier league football for a long time. Wouldn't surprise me if we end up in league 1 and whilst that may seem ott, once the reality of what you've said kicks in, transfer embargos, points deductions, no players, no manager, the same useless board, then it's not beyond the realms of possibility that we go to league 1.

Exactly. It’s exactly what they did to Derby, and they went down….. the EFL

actively want to punish us. It wouldn’t matter as much if the board accepted this was our future and planned for it. Because maybe with a plan we could get through it a rebuilt. But we won’t have a plan, we will attempt to stay up, and then once relegated the board will sit around a table shocked again……

[LCFCJohn]

1 minute ago, Pliskin said:

Exactly. It’s exactly what they did to Derby, and they went down….. the EFL

actively want to punish us. It wouldn’t matter as much if the board accepted this was our future and planned for it. Because maybe with a plan we could get through it a rebuilt. But we won’t have a plan, we will attempt to stay up, and then once relegated the board will sit around a table shocked again……

Nick De Marco my friend, Nick De Marco 

[Ric Flair]

He's not without fault in these last few weeks. The Wolves debacle is borderline unforgivable and he's fixed upon the notion we are better defensively with Ayew at RW than Bounanotte but the reality is neither are capable at protecting the right back and Facundo not starting is a travesty. 

 

A few things have gone against him such as injuries but he needs to quickly turn this around otherwise we're done and I'd not be surprised if he didn't see out the season if so.

 

Huge month, I fear we'll let him down massively in the transfer window and the inevitable will happen.

 

The plus points have been the introduction of El Khannouss who's been excellent and I'm convinced more than ever now that Soumare belongs at this level.

[ronnup]

13 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

He's not without fault in these last few weeks. The Wolves debacle is borderline unforgivable and he's fixed upon the notion we are better defensively with Ayew at RW than Bounanotte but the reality is neither are capable at protecting the right back and Facundo not starting is a travesty. 

 

A few things have gone against him such as injuries but he needs to quickly turn this around otherwise we're done and I'd not be surprised if he didn't see out the season if so.

 

Huge month, I fear we'll let him down massively in the transfer window and the inevitable will happen.

 

The plus points have been the introduction of El Khannouss who's been excellent and I'm convinced more than ever now that Soumare belongs at this level.

 

Cluld be explosive.  He walks from another job and falls out with another board his reputation is dogmess. He must have had assurances we'd go in hard in Jan. If Rudders tries to pull his pants down it could be messy

[Eskay]

Games against Man city, Liverpool and Villa aren't the ones that send us down. It's the wolves implosion. 

 

I'm not sure how a manager gets players like JJ to stop being total ****wits but essentially, individual mistakes are killing any tactical influence RVN has. 

 

Ultimately the transfer window needs to inject some life into the team and hopefully a player or 2 can come back from injury. I fear we will still be playing with a 40 year old forward and Hamza choudary in league 1 in a few years. It's a travesty the situation our squad is in. 

 

I've no confidence in a good January window ... Eduard on a permanent is probably the only thing we'll do !!! 

[Claudio Fannieri]

If we fail to recruit players in this window to the level he had expected or been led to believe when he joined then he absolutely think he will walk away, and whilst it may tarnish his reputation, you have to ask yourself that would be the last 3 permanent managers who will all have called out the board for not fully briefing the manager regards recruitment plans and the reality of the finances ……..there is a common denominator in all of this and it ain’t Brendan, Enzo or Ruud. 
 

If this does happen not sure this ownership and board have any credibility left and I would be shocked if any respectable manager would risk his reputation by working for a club who consistently fail to advise their managers of the true financial situation. Absolutely criminal. 

Edited 5 January by Claudio Fannieri

[Cadno'r Cymoedd]

1 hour ago, CrazyKopCorner said:

It was a Cooper team selection and performance yesterday. To keep playing JJ is a dereliction of duty. Also what’s his problem with Bunonette? Poor team selection, poor set led to poor performance. 

They were there for the taking and on that performance they would have only beaten us and Southampton in this league - I thought they were crap in the main. 

Apart from JJ and Victors illness why did he change the team? Baffling as usual.
 

To be fair you can’t make a silk purse out of these players they lack quality and desire. 
 

Get rid of the majority of them and start again. 

Hate to correct you. It was a RvN team selection and performance. Yes, I know, I'm being facetious. Apologies.

 

But actually, I'm trying to make the point that many on here are still trying to blame or actually blaming Cooper - "his signings, his tactics seemingly still pervading and infecting players' mind sets etc."  He left and we see the same patterns, and it's not him obviously. 

 

The fact is we've ended up in this position because of a gross dereliction of duty by those running the club. RvN was a big name, Cooper they thought had relevant experience etc etc.

 

I still think we can get out of this but upstairs need to pull their heads out of their arses. 

 

[Sly]

I find it incredible that we are 5 days in and we’ve wasted another fixture and chance to get points. 
 

We are in a desperate state and if we should have been working to pull the trigger from December 1st. The urgency by this club is insane. 

[JimmyC74]

It has been an up and down start.  I am not Ruud out by any means but, we need to quickly convert bits and pieces of promising play into results.
 

Ruud needs help from the recruitment team, asap, bringing in a few quality additions to change things up and see us go on a run.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited 5 January by JimmyC74

[justfoxes]

Let’s hope he can pull us out of this slump really quickly because we’re quickly becoming a swan dive back into the championship of EFL sanctions fines embargoes and whatever else they can think up to throw at us, after todays debacle of defensive errors that gave A poor Aston Villa all 3 points.

We really need to sure up the defence to stop these pathetic errors that are costing us games and points so we need to dip into the transfer market to bring in a defensive player that doesn’t piss about in the box with the ball gifting goals to the opposition. 

[Happy Fox]

If the board don’t back him I think he will walk come the end of the transfer window; it’s clearly evident, he was given some reassurances we would invest in the first team in January there is still time.. but we need to get a move on! 
 

I am just hoping the gap between ourselves and the likes of Wolves / Palace / Everton is still surmountable, otherwise it will be a very tall order to stay up.

[Kev]

6 hours ago, Bluearmyfox28 said:

Agreed, I think we’ve seen a huge improvement. It’s easy to forget about the past, we was dreadful under Cooper and I was scratching my head how we got the amount of points we had. 
 

Questions do need to be asked with regards to Buonanotte not being picked, but I think Ruud tried to nullify Digne today who plays a huge role in their attacking build up. Do I agree with the decision? No. But I can see the thinking and I actually think Ayew had a good game. 
 

I asked the same question in the post match thread but for everyone that’s Ruud out based on results how many points did you expect from our last 5 games? To clarify that was Newcastle, Wolves, Liverpool, Man City and Villa. At most I thought we would get 3, I'm intrigued what others think though as I honestly think these negative responses are ignoring how difficult this stretch of 5 games has been.

 

As far as I’m concerned from fixtures we realistically had a chance against (West Ham, Wolves, Brighton) I would have wanted 4-6 points. We got 4?!

A huge improvement, based on what? We’re still losing games, we’re still conceding a ridiculous number of attempts per game, we’re still conceding lots of goals as a result and we’re not scoring many either.

 

The list of fixtures being deemed as impossible for RVN, but that ignores the facts:

 

Crystal Palace managed a draw against both Man City and Aston Villa.

Ipswich beat Chelsea and drew with Tottenham.

Wolves beat Man Utd and drew with Tottenham.

Everton drew with Man City.

West Ham beat Newcastle (who were on a poor run of form before they met us)

 

Which games do we not write off? You can’t say games are not winnable in this league otherwise you’ll go down. We write these games off to make excuses for RVN, whilst our relegation rivals take points from them.

 

People making excuses that RVN wasn’t to know the damage of picking Ward against Wolves like it’s acceptable the manager hasn’t done enough research to know what a terrible choice that would have been? Why would we excuse that? That is also ignoring the fact we failed to score in that game so taking Ward out wouldn’t have won it for us, we were terrible all over the pitch and still would have lost.

 

Are injuries an acceptable excuse?

 

Everyone seems to be unanimous that Stolarczyk is playing well, so how would Mads improve our results over these games? 

 

Would Fatawu even play when he’s currently leaving our best player on the bench every week? You can say the same for Ricardo. People are also misremembering just how bad Ricardo has been at this level for some time. He’s not the saviour.

 

If we wanted to be realistic, we were extremely fortunate to beat West Ham and whilst the Brighton come back was decent, they should have been out of sight. The 4 points we have earned are as fortunate as the 4 Cooper got against Bournemouth and Ipswich.

 

Cooper was clearly atrocious but his last 7 games that led to his dismissal saw 2 wins and a draw, better than RVN’s return of 1 win and 1 draw during the same amount of games. That also discounts any ‘new manager bounce’ we were due. For some reason though, people were not willing to queue up behind Cooper with a long list of excuses as they are RVN.

Shall we look at signings too? Cooper lambasted for wasting money without considering

i. was Cooper the only decision maker on signings? No.

ii. Ayew, BEK and Facundo have been our three best players for the whole season contributing over 50% of our entire goal return.

 

What is there to suggest RVN is going to pull any rabbits out of the hat? He’ll be shopping in the same bargain basement dustbins that Cooper had to as we’re unable to spend money and are not an attractive proposition to players.

 

The next 7 games:

Palace (h)

Fulham (h)

Tottenham (a)

Everton (a)

Arsenal (h)

Brentford (h)

West Ham (a)

Even with the rosiest of rose tinted glasses on, we’re looking at a maximum of 9 points from that (wins v Palace & Brentford, draws v Fulham, Everton and West Ham). That would see us on a paltry 23 points with 10 games to go. We then head into a run of 6 games that people have already written down as not winnable.

 

If I was to be realistic, we’ll probably get 4-6 points from that run of games and that is barely enough to get our head above the relegation line without our competitors even playing another game.

 

The only chances we have of survival are Man City being relegated due to their breaches and somehow finishing 18th rather than 19th to take advantage of that, or another team having a Southampton run of form. Neither of those are likely.

Edited 5 January by Kev

[Number 6]

10 hours ago, jayfox26 said:

100%. We go down this season then we'll not be seeing premier league football for a long time. Wouldn't surprise me if we end up in league 1 and whilst that may seem ott, once the reality of what you've said kicks in, transfer embargos, points deductions, no players, no manager, the same useless board, then it's not beyond the realms of possibility that we go to league 1.

Still think we'd be able to put together one of the better sides in the division next season. A points deduction would probably make automatics a step too far but we should still be looking at top 6. Transfer embargo doesn't mean you can't sign anyone either.

 

The gap between divisions has widened because the Prem has got stronger in part, but also because the Champ is significantly weaker. If Burnley, Leeds, Sheff Utd come up this season then I think that only aids our cause too.