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[Guest BMFox]

Maybe it's me being an idealist but the main reason I don't want Dyche is that I'm not that bothered about getting straight back to the Premier League. I want us to get there when we're in the best position as a club to progress over time when we get there and I don't think he's the person to get the club to that point.

 

We definitely need a strong head leading us, changing the work ethic across the whole squad, but there are managers out there other than Dyche who can give us that - He's not the only manager in the world who wants his players to run through walls for each other.

 

I'm certainly really tired of seeing a lot of the football over the last 3-ish years of centre backs touching the ball more than anyone else, opting to pass it around rather than someone taking a game by the scruff of the neck, teams never really getting out of 3rd gear whilst the managers (including Maresca) keep telling us it's the 'right way' to play football and we should actually be in awe of them. So I do agree with Dyche to an extent on that one, but his alternative to me is far too out of date and isn't something a club can have their development squads working towards or convincing that young talent to stay and be a part of when they get a professional contract. I heard him talking about how number 6s are nonsense... 6s have been around for ages now - They're not a new craze; They're a big part of football used by elite managers for many years, and for him to be that opposed to such a basic part of football screams to me the game's moved way to far for him to catch up, particularly if he's not interested in doing the catching up.

 

The priorities I want taken care of for next season are:

 

• Getting our team filled with the players having came through our academy. Players that have a point to prove, are clearly very talented, and have a clean slate with the fans. That'll give me something to get excited about in the stands. It's an alternative to spending a load in the transfer market and dragging ourselves into an even worse financial position than we already are (We clearly don't know how to spend the little money we have when it is available, so I'd rather forget that altogether). Maybe we can get 2/3 years out of them until one of the big boys come for them, but when they do they'll have to pay a lot of money. And other talented youngsters will see we offer them a way through.
• Getting rid of the bad influences in the squad. Vestegaard, Faes, Soumare, Winks. The list of course goes on. This point for me is maybe the most important one. Any successful coach, sports psychologist or manager will tell you that you absolutely need the right characters, and anyone in there who doesn't buy into the common goal, causes distractions, sulks, points the finger at everyone other than themselves, is not welcome in the team. We have to be comfortable with letting them go without making a profit on them. Maybe even a loss. That slight loss right now might be unfortunate, but if it means over the next couple of years we can create an atmosphere and culture in the team that players want to join, and players who leave continue to talk about, then that loss is worth it in the long term. Pearson was massive on that - He brought in a sports psychologist who Ranieri got rid of the season after we won the PL. That build that core of players and atmosphere that we've been trying to rebuild for so long. Maybe now Vardy's left and we have no more members of that era (other than King on the coaching staff), now's the time to not reset, but create a new era and environment for the players who do want to play for Leicester to get excited about.

 

Those are the two things I want from this coming season. I really don't care about getting promoted again because I can't help but feel if those things aren't addressed then we'll come straight back down. If we have a season finishing mid-table, but I get to spend that season watching players on the pitch that I'm really rooting for, can get excited about and know my club is going in the right direction long-term, then I'll be happy. That's why, if the only argument for Dyche is that he'll probably be able to drag us back to the PL then I'm not interested.

 

 

This is my first post so sorry it's a long one - I'm bored at work.

 

 

[Parker Pen]

1 hour ago, LVFox said:

Problem with Dyche is that he’s completely right with a lot in here, but his alternative is utter dross.

 

I actually think if he takes us this season, he will probably play the best “football” of his coaching career. The squad will force him into that. 
 

I fear for our youngsters though and if we got promoted he would be both our best chance of staying up and utterly horrific to watch.

 

I don’t mind us bringing Dyche in, I can understand the attraction but think there are some far better candidates out there.

To be fair to Dyche I don’t remember Burnley in the Championship when we had Nigel at the helm being particularly boring to watch, and again the following season in the Premier League they kept coming at us to force a 2-2 draw. Didn’t his Everton side win 5-1 away at Brighton the same day we got dicked 5-3 at Fulham.
I’m like LVFox and Don’t mind us bringing Dyche in so long as the likes of Rohl are also considered.

[FrankieADZ]

44 minutes ago, Parker Pen said:

To be fair to Dyche I don’t remember Burnley in the Championship when we had Nigel at the helm being particularly boring to watch, and again the following season in the Premier League they kept coming at us to force a 2-2 draw. Didn’t his Everton side win 5-1 away at Brighton the same day we got dicked 5-3 at Fulham.
I’m like LVFox and Don’t mind us bringing Dyche in so long as the likes of Rohl are also considered.

that 2-2 draw was thanks to a last minute free kick too, pretty sure that game we should have won it all told, but lets not forget Dyche's Burnley side lost to a 10 man Leicester team who had to play all the 2nd half with 10 men

look at the results this season for Dyche and compare them to the ones Moyes got from the same players, its pretty night and day

Dyche might have been a good option a few years back but now i dont think he is

[Guest]

2 hours ago, davieG said:

Doesn't he only play 442?

He is as inflexible as those managers he's criticising. If his Burnley team went on a bad run I can't remember there ever being any suggestion that he should or would change his style of play, because - to use the football fan's new favourite word - rigidly sticking to a philosophy is "pragmatic" as long as that philosophy involves playing defensively and hoofing it.

[Fox92]

3 minutes ago, Guest said:

He is as inflexible as those managers he's criticising. If his Burnley team went on a bad run I can't remember there ever being any suggestion that he should or would change his style of play, because - to use the football fan's new favourite word - rigidly sticking to a philosophy is "pragmatic" as long as that philosophy involves playing defensively and hoofing it.

His Burnley teams did go on bad runs and, as we all know, eventually relegated. He must have learnt and changed though because he got promoted again but the following time actually kept them up.

 

I don't want Dyche but people seem to discredit what he's done. He probably is flexible,  probably more than we all know, considering he kept Burnley up for a long period. He seems to be labelled with stereotypes which aren't probably true.

 

Also not to forget he was involved in their new training ground and apparently tailored the transfer budget around that (the club's future). That's a real positive.

[FoxinNotts]

4 hours ago, Bluearmyfox28 said:

I’ll be honest I personally think we’ve sounded people out but approached no one yet. The board respect Ruud for the way he’s dealt with everything so I can’t see approaches being made until he’s officially sacked. Wouldn’t be surprised if it isn’t either Dyche or Rohl.

 

Im just clinging onto straws that @FoxinNotts isn’t selling us an imaginary thoughts with regards to Rohl.

Not imaginary. Just passing on something that I was told. I am definitely not 'ITK'. 

[FLAN]

4 hours ago, Bluearmyfox28 said:

I’ll be honest I personally think we’ve sounded people out but approached no one yet. The board respect Ruud for the way he’s dealt with everything so I can’t see approaches being made until he’s officially sacked. Wouldn’t be surprised if it isn’t either Dyche or Rohl.

 

Im just clinging onto straws that @FoxinNotts isn’t selling us an imaginary thoughts with regards to Rohl.

Funny way of showing respect. Ignoring him for months and failing to acknowledge him since relegation 

[Fox 4 Life]

The long ball merchant coming in as Vardy leaves is ironic. His style will only work with a certain type of striker and we have no money so it would be interesting to say the least.

[AjcW]

Do we think they'll get Rudkin to give the usual 'managers comments' when the fixtures are released Thursday?  

[Dan]

Pragmatism works both ways. Someone like Martin is an idealist but if Dyche was to stick with playing a certain way that handicaps us then that absolutely can't be called pragmatism.

[Philkeavo]

If we appoint Dyche, would this be  the first time he sheds the ‘underdog’ tag. He has a history of making teams better than the sum of their parts playing rather rudimentary and pragmatic football. Expectation levels would certainly change, can he?

[Golden Fox]

I'm loving this thread. Now up to 222 pages, and destined to become an all-time Foxestalk classic.

 

How it started:

 

How it's going:

 

All on a hypothetical "if RVN goes" and having gone round and round in circles on Martin, Rohl and Dyche, we are still none the wiser if he is even going!

[AjcW]

There's an arrival tomorrow lunchtime at EMA from a Private airport on the outskirts of Eindhoven.... 

[Bluearmyfox28]

I do find it odd that so many were so vocal to not have a passing football philosophy in charge of the club yet are happy to have someone cling onto a 1-0 lead with 11 men behind the ball with 30 minutes still to play.

[Sol thewall Bamba]

2 hours ago, FLAN said:

Funny way of showing respect. Ignoring him for months and failing to acknowledge him since relegation 

Respect is a big thing in Thailand!

[ronnup]

5 minutes ago, Sol thewall Bamba said:

Respect is a big thing in Thailand!

Not down Soi cowboy 

[Lambert09]

16 minutes ago, AjcW said:

There's an arrival tomorrow lunchtime at EMA from a Private airport on the outskirts of Eindhoven.... 

you’d imagine it’s either ruud returning to plan for the season or finally to have the talks. 

[AjcW]

1 minute ago, Lambert09 said:

you’d imagine it’s either ruud returning to plan for the season or finally to have the talks. 

I do still have a nagging feeling we're sticking with, especially with all this fresh financial news. 

 

Fixture release thursday too.

[Winstonthedog]

How can a club that 10 years ago had a great future ... money rolling in from all angles ... the envy of many clubs manage to fu#k it up so badly that Dyche is even being considered as manager, I know the reasons but can't fathom how they let it happen without anyone taking any notice 

[VLC86]

48 minutes ago, Winstonthedog said:

How can a club that 10 years ago had a great future ... money rolling in from all angles ... the envy of many clubs manage to fu#k it up so badly that Dyche is even being considered as manager, I know the reasons but can't fathom how they let it happen without anyone taking any notice 

Even worse that he will probably turn us down.

[Sol thewall Bamba]

52 minutes ago, Winstonthedog said:

How can a club that 10 years ago had a great future ... money rolling in from all angles ... the envy of many clubs manage to fu#k it up so badly that Dyche is even being considered as manager, I know the reasons but can't fathom how they let it happen without anyone taking any notice 

 

[norwichfox]

9 minutes ago, VLC86 said:

Even worse that he will probably turn us down.

I so fcuking hope so...

[David Gutteridge]

1 hour ago, AjcW said:

There's an arrival tomorrow lunchtime at EMA from a Private airport on the outskirts of Eindhoven.... 

could be for Forest unlikely be for us.

[stevostadium]

Would take Dyche all day long as previously stated.

 

Trouble is we are currently a basket case at present and no one in there right mind would touch us with a bargepole.

 

Pudkin ( Rudders) has a relationship with Dyche which i hope would convince him to join.

 

Rohl etc are out the window given the current KP situation.

 

The anti Dyche brigade will eat humble pie if he turns us down as we be stuck with an out of work loser.... cue hassenhuttel et al 

[CornwallFox]

My ideal would be Kieran McKenna not getting any premier League interest and us convincing him we're a better long term option than Ipswich. I think he's a brilliant manager with a really good style of football.

 

Admittedly I think there's 0% chance of this happening but if we hadn't landed ourselves in such a financial mess we should be in a position to cherry pick a championship manager.