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Cifuentes OUT

By Bob Weasel Fox, in Leicester City Forum

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Dan

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59 minutes ago, cityfanlee23 said:

This is it. What people don’t seem to want to accept is that a good manager can, to some degree, offset the circus happening upstairs. Look at the messes Warnock has walked into in the past and turned around. Look at what Rohl achieved at Wednesday while Chansiri was actively destroying the club. Look at what Pearson did for us — he stopped the rot and completely revolutionised the club. Big Sam is known as a relegation specialist for a reason, because he often goes into long term damaged clubs and at the very least keeps them up and brings in players and organises them a bit more and gets them fighting. 
 

None of these names are flashy. But the point is that they all have a reputation for building foundations, creating good habits, and, most importantly, starting to stop the rot.

Marti is currently helping the board push us toward oblivion with his arrogant approach to football, where he seems to believe his system is the only way — despite it being blatantly obvious that it isn’t.

Good managers can take some of the sting out of the board’s incompetence. For all the mess our board has created over the last 5 years, we actually had a half-decent window: bringing in Begović, Ramsey, and JJ, while offloading multiple big earners, including great fees for McAteer, Justin, and Ndidi and we are now in a position where we can afford to actually pay for a technical director. The board, to some degree, is restructuring both the DOF and CEO positions. Top has finally realised publicly that they need to make changes. If anything, MC has inherited us at a time when we’re actually trying to fix mistakes — and yet he’s adding to them. (don't get me wrong, we are a mess with or without him)

All we needed was stability on the pitch, whilst giving adequate game time to Okoli, Nelson, Aluko, Silko, Monga etc and we could be talking about this whole situation as the club turning a corner. Instead, we are now looking over our shoulder at relegation if the deduction is big, despite having at least 7-8 players that would get into the majority of promotion candidates' teams. 

Give me Warnock over this. 

Even Maresca really - the bloke wasn't perfect but when you look at Leicester since the FA Cup win he's the only manager that's had us looking decent at any point. We are clearly a basket case of a club. He was strong enough to get people out who weren't on board and I think he clocked quite early that his bosses are total clowns.

 

Cifuentes has made absolutely zero positive impact and he hasn't even really tried to bar some nicely researched soundbites early doors.

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Haywood_6

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We are underperforming massively but there's so many issues. In terms of the players - the mentality is the biggest thing... All Marti goes on about is us being 'together' but were not... The fans are just beyond fed up, the players look like they really aren't enjoying it. A lot of our players can't wait to escape and we can't wait to get rid of them - it would take an extremely strong and no nonsense character who won't stand for any crap whatsoever to get anything out of this current group. Were basically waiting for the summer now until 7/8 are out the door... But unfortunately we've got 6 months of football in-between 

 

In his defence - some people seem to forget Enzo was allowed to buy five of his own players and bring in several more on loan when we were relegated. Marti hasn’t had a penny. He might not be a brilliant manager or tactical genius, but he’s working with an average squad that’s gone completely stale. There’s no fight in us and the only player showing anything is JJ –who's not even ours. 

 

I actually feel for Marti because this job is almost impossible with this hierarchy. They want everything but give nothing. If the club was a house you'd basically demolish the whole thing. And start again brick by brick - he needs a bulldozer and all he's been given a dustpan and brush.

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jayfox26

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7 minutes ago, Haywood_6 said:

We are underperforming massively but there's so many issues. In terms of the players - the mentality is the biggest thing... All Marti goes on about is us being 'together' but were not... The fans are just beyond fed up, the players look like they really aren't enjoying it. A lot of our players can't wait to escape and we can't wait to get rid of them - it would take an extremely strong and no nonsense character who won't stand for any crap whatsoever to get anything out of this current group. Were basically waiting for the summer now until 7/8 are out the door... But unfortunately we've got 6 months of football in-between 

 

In his defence - some people seem to forget Enzo was allowed to buy five of his own players and bring in several more on loan when we were relegated. Marti hasn’t had a penny. He might not be a brilliant manager or tactical genius, but he’s working with an average squad that’s gone completely stale. There’s no fight in us and the only player showing anything is JJ –who's not even ours. 

 

I actually feel for Marti because this job is almost impossible with this hierarchy. They want everything but give nothing. If the club was a house you'd basically demolish the whole thing. And start again brick by brick - he needs a bulldozer and all he's been given a dustpan and brush.

Spot on this 👏 

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coolhandfox

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21 minutes ago, Haywood_6 said:

We are underperforming massively but there's so many issues. In terms of the players - the mentality is the biggest thing... All Marti goes on about is us being 'together' but were not... The fans are just beyond fed up, the players look like they really aren't enjoying it. A lot of our players can't wait to escape and we can't wait to get rid of them - it would take an extremely strong and no nonsense character who won't stand for any crap whatsoever to get anything out of this current group. Were basically waiting for the summer now until 7/8 are out the door... But unfortunately we've got 6 months of football in-between 

 

In his defence - some people seem to forget Enzo was allowed to buy five of his own players and bring in several more on loan when we were relegated. Marti hasn’t had a penny. He might not be a brilliant manager or tactical genius, but he’s working with an average squad that’s gone completely stale. There’s no fight in us and the only player showing anything is JJ –who's not even ours. 

 

I actually feel for Marti because this job is almost impossible with this hierarchy. They want everything but give nothing. If the club was a house you'd basically demolish the whole thing. And start again brick by brick - he needs a bulldozer and all he's been given a dustpan and brush.

More excuses.

 

An average squad can still be organised and structured and have style of play.

 

We have none of those things.

 

We haven't seen an above average performance all season.

 

 

 

 

 

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Fox92

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12 minutes ago, Haywood_6 said:

We are underperforming massively but there's so many issues. In terms of the players - the mentality is the biggest thing... All Marti goes on about is us being 'together' but were not... The fans are just beyond fed up, the players look like they really aren't enjoying it. A lot of our players can't wait to escape and we can't wait to get rid of them - it would take an extremely strong and no nonsense character who won't stand for any crap whatsoever to get anything out of this current group. Were basically waiting for the summer now until 7/8 are out the door... But unfortunately we've got 6 months of football in-between 

 

In his defence - some people seem to forget Enzo was allowed to buy five of his own players and bring in several more on loan when we were relegated. Marti hasn’t had a penny. He might not be a brilliant manager or tactical genius, but he’s working with an average squad that’s gone completely stale. There’s no fight in us and the only player showing anything is JJ –who's not even ours. 

 

I actually feel for Marti because this job is almost impossible with this hierarchy. They want everything but give nothing. If the club was a house you'd basically demolish the whole thing. And start again brick by brick - he needs a bulldozer and all he's been given a dustpan and brush.

This job isn't impossible. We should not be 16th. This is just more excuses.

 

Cifuentes has been underperforming all season, a lot of what I've read recently is what I've been saying for months. He needs sacking. Yes the hierarchy are poor, and also to blame, but a decent manager can mask that. Eustace did it at Blackburn, Robins did it at Coventry, Maresca did it here.

 

If we have an "average" squad then what do the rest have? Hull had a transfer embargo in the summer, hired a new manager, and they're above us. We've dropped points to Portsmouth and Oxford, these haven't got a better squad than us. Millwall and Stoke are top 4, they haven't got better squads than us. Difference is the managers. He is not good enough nor strong enough.

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cityfanlee23

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20 minutes ago, Haywood_6 said:

We are underperforming massively but there's so many issues. In terms of the players - the mentality is the biggest thing... All Marti goes on about is us being 'together' but were not... The fans are just beyond fed up, the players look like they really aren't enjoying it. A lot of our players can't wait to escape and we can't wait to get rid of them - it would take an extremely strong and no nonsense character who won't stand for any crap whatsoever to get anything out of this current group. Were basically waiting for the summer now until 7/8 are out the door... But unfortunately we've got 6 months of football in-between 

 

In his defence - some people seem to forget Enzo was allowed to buy five of his own players and bring in several more on loan when we were relegated. Marti hasn’t had a penny. He might not be a brilliant manager or tactical genius, but he’s working with an average squad that’s gone completely stale. There’s no fight in us and the only player showing anything is JJ –who's not even ours. 

 

I actually feel for Marti because this job is almost impossible with this hierarchy. They want everything but give nothing. If the club was a house you'd basically demolish the whole thing. And start again brick by brick - he needs a bulldozer and all he's been given a dustpan and brush.

I can appreciate all of this, but Marti chose the dustpan and brush approach and not the bulldozer; there is absolutely nothing stopping him from being the extremely strong and no-nonsense character we desperately need. 
What if we give him time delivering this absolute guff, then bring in a technical director who signs more ego driven players, do we just give Marti more time in perpetuity because he isn't going to get on top of their egos? 

He instantly caved in to the "old guard" after telling us he loves to develop youth and give them minutes. This club in the position it's in, with the ownership and board we have, needs a leader. If he's not that, he has to go. 
The yes man approach only works if the club is a well-oiled machine that could run even if the manager wasn't at the match. 

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VG Fox

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18 hours ago, Muzzy_no7 said:

Would rather Pearson than MON

Just can't see Sir Nigel being remotely interested, he would want proper control of team, style of play and transfer dealings both in and out....never going to get that with the 'out of their depth charlatans', desperate to cling to power that we currently have polluting the club.     this is all aside from whether is health is up to a job like this.   

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Is there any credible media reports of him being on the brink? Get rid before the game at Derby and I think the players up their levels 5-10% because they want to impress whoever will come in. Let him stay and I think Derby will maul us and it will be incredibly embarrassing (and presumably at that point he will get his P45). 
 

At this point we seem to be delaying the inevitable.

ClaphamFox

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3 minutes ago, Wasyls Pec Deck said:

Is there any credible media reports of him being on the brink? Get rid before the game at Derby and I think the players up their levels 5-10% because they want to impress whoever will come in. Let him stay and I think Derby will maul us and it will be incredibly embarrassing (and presumably at that point he will get his P45). 
 

At this point we seem to be delaying the inevitable.

Not really. 

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Greg2607

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2 hours ago, Fox92 said:

This job isn't impossible. We should not be 16th. This is just more excuses.

 

Cifuentes has been underperforming all season, a lot of what I've read recently is what I've been saying for months. He needs sacking. Yes the hierarchy are poor, and also to blame, but a decent manager can mask that. Eustace did it at Blackburn, Robins did it at Coventry, Maresca did it here.

 

If we have an "average" squad then what do the rest have? Hull had a transfer embargo in the summer, hired a new manager, and they're above us. We've dropped points to Portsmouth and Oxford, these haven't got a better squad than us. Millwall and Stoke are top 4, they haven't got better squads than us. Difference is the managers. He is not good enough nor strong enough.

I can't claim to deep dive into football enough to know the answers to this, I look at Leicester and that's as far as it goes. 

 

All of those teams might have worse squads than us... but ultimately, it's about balance in a squad isn't it.  and our squad is horrifically unbalanced. We have 3 wingers (Mav, Fatawu and monga) with Ayew or BDCR rotating as the 4th option. 

 

we don't REALLY have an established 10... it's Ayew, BDCR, Jordan or Ramsay (I do think Ramsay is the right solution, but it still leaves us pretty short for a critical role. 

 

Our Strikers are poor. Ayew forces us to slow the play down, Daka forces us to play in behind, but we don't have the central options in the 10 role to do this effectively. 

 

Our Midfield is basically a collective of defensive midfielders and JJ. There isn't anyone particularly cute that can beat a man and get the wrong side of lines.  We play from deep. 

 

and then we get to the defense.... we all know that none of us are happy with the fullbacks. they are either poor at defending OR incapable of offering attacking support. At least with someone like Danny Simpson, we knew what we were getting a very strong back post full back.  He was never going to be overlapping the winger. 

 

Ricky used to be able to do that... but these days... his body isn't up to the rigours of a championship season.   That leaves us with Thomas and Choudhary. with Ricky to rotate. or a makeshift CB at full back. 

 

now MAYBE a manager would simplify all of this. make us hard to beat. maybe he'd sit deep and hit teams on the break with the pace of our attacking line.... BUT that isn't the style that Rudkin and Top want... they want high possession football. 

 

I genuinely don't think people would swap the entirety of our squad with the entirety of there in this league as it stands. 

 

AjcW

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Was thinking a nice rendition from the away end of "How shit must you be, we'd rather have Puel" would be fitting when we go 2/3 down on Saturday lol 

Silva Fox

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59 minutes ago, FoxinNotts said:

Beep, beep, beepety beep...... incoming

 

10 minutes ago, Silva Fox said:

Jon Dahl Tomasson?

or Ole Gunnar Solskjaer? :ph34r:

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