Jazzy_Jeff Posted 21 January Posted 21 January The issue we’re going to have now is we’re 10 days or so away from transfer window shutting so if we replace him we either have to find someone who is willing to work with existing squad or start player recruitment process from scratch. Neither are ideal. We also don’t know PSR result yet (shocking - I would making a counter claim on this) so any new manager would have this to contend with. Who is going to want that?!? Our only hope is we can find an older head who is willing to give us 5 months and have a battle on their hands.
Les-TA-Jon Posted 21 January Posted 21 January The club knows we're not going up this season. So the only objective is to not get relegated. Whilst a potential points deduction makes it less clear, we're unlikely to go down, and we're currently 10 points clear of the relegation zone. So they won't be sacking Marti. Even if some sort of interim could improve us. And there's absolutely no way we can appoint, in our current circumstances, the manager capable of rebuilding us and getting us promoted. 2
Popular Post Fox92 Posted 21 January Popular Post Posted 21 January 1 minute ago, Les-TA-Jon said: The club knows we're not going up this season. So the only objective is to not get relegated. Whilst a potential points deduction makes it less clear, we're unlikely to go down, and we're currently 10 points clear of the relegation zone. So they won't be sacking Marti. Even if some sort of interim could improve us. And there's absolutely no way we can appoint, in our current circumstances, the manager capable of rebuilding us and getting us promoted. We're 5 points off 6th place with two very winnable home games coming up. We don't need a rebuild to get promoted this season, this squad should be good enough to be pushing top 6. The idea that we can't get a manager better than Cifuentes is astonishing. King Power really have brainwashed so many into thinking mid table Championship is where we should be at. 8
Popular Post Les-TA-Jon Posted 21 January Popular Post Posted 21 January Just now, Fox92 said: We're 5 points off 6th place with two very winnable home games coming up. We don't need a rebuild to get promoted this season, this squad should be good enough to be pushing top 6. The idea that we can't get a manager better than Cifuentes is astonishing. King Power really have brainwashed so many into thinking mid table Championship is where we should be at. For clarity: 'It's not possible to get a manager better than Cifuentes" = / = "It's not possible for King Power to get a manager better than Cifuentes" I think it's perfectly possible and easy for us to have a better manager, even in our current sorry state. I don't have any faith that 1) the club will be watchful enough to want to and 2) have the ability to find and appoint one 4 1
Popular Post AjcW Posted 21 January Popular Post Posted 21 January 2 minutes ago, Fox92 said: We're 5 points off 6th place with two very winnable home games coming up. We don't need a rebuild to get promoted this season, this squad should be good enough to be pushing top 6. The idea that we can't get a manager better than Cifuentes is astonishing. King Power really have brainwashed so many into thinking mid table Championship is where we should be at. It's mad that people still don't understand the Championship isn't it. I've seen teams in the bottom 3 at Christmas make the play offs. In fact i'd not be at all surprised if Norwich ended up top 8 minimum this season.... why? BECAUSE THEY FIRED SOMEONE SHIT & HIRED A CAPABLE MANAGER 8
brookfox Posted 21 January Posted 21 January He reminds me of one of the chefs you get on Ramseys Kitchen Nightmares who have lost all belief and passion in their chosen profession. We need Gordon to take him to coach a local futsal team in Barcelona team to re-energise him! 2
filbertway Posted 21 January Posted 21 January Feels like the last 18-24 months of Rodger's tenure where we regularly got outplayed and somehow managed to keep fluking results. Part of me is glad the players didn't celebrate the equaliser, it must show that they think they should be doing better than we are doing. He's been dealt a bad hand, but my god he's not helping himself at all. Unfortunately as a club we clearly have incredibly limited networking and footballing knowledge so I would expect any replacement would be equally uninspiring. All the ingredients to continue sliding. 1
Chelmofox Posted 21 January Posted 21 January (edited) 6 minutes ago, filbertway said: Feels like the last 18-24 months of Rodger's tenure where we regularly got outplayed and somehow managed to keep fluking results. Part of me is glad the players didn't celebrate the equaliser, it must show that they think they should be doing better than we are doing. He's been dealt a bad hand, but my god he's not helping himself at all. Unfortunately as a club we clearly have incredibly limited networking and footballing knowledge so I would expect any replacement would be equally uninspiring. All the ingredients to continue sliding. My issue with this is that with 5 minutes to go, a galvanised team could have thrown everything at them to try and get the win. Half our team looked pissed off that we had scored, almost like we might have to put some effort on in the last 5 minutes. If a team equalises against us at the KP in the 90th minute, regardless who it is, i expect their players to go mental and give it everything for the remaining game. Why, just for once, cant we do that. Edited 21 January by Chelmofox 3
bald reynard Posted 21 January Posted 21 January https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/marti-cifuentes-makes-emotions-request-10767653 What Cifuentes says, is the main reason is he should go. Whatever the quality of the players, if the Manager can't change their belief in themselves, or motivate them to 'buck up', he's not the guy for the job. I was reading about Martin O'Neill's recipe for success and how he has inspired Celtic recently - and it's mainly due to his 'man management' skills, more than anything tactical nous or technical Coaching ability (he relied on others for that - eg Steve Walford). Flexibility was also his strength - changing approach when things weren't going right. We desperately need a Manager who's got those strengths now, with a squad who are mainly very average Championship quality, at best (just the likes of James, standing out). 1 1
TrickyTrevLeftPeg Posted 21 January Posted 21 January The championship is that devoid of any quality all it takes is a good run to propel yourself from near relegation to play off contention. Mowbray till end of season and we honestly stand a decent chance of getting playoffs. 2
ian__marshall Posted 21 January Posted 21 January To be fair to him, when he said he'd grown up watching Barcelona and that had influenced his coaching style, he never actually said the football team. We all assumed he meant the football but clearly he was referring to basketball. 3
filbertway Posted 21 January Posted 21 January 13 minutes ago, Chelmofox said: My issue with this is that with 5 minutes to go, a galvanised team could have thrown everything at them to try and get the win. Half our team looked pissed off that we had scored, almost like we might have to put some effort on in the last 5 minutes. If a team equalises against us at the KP in the 90th minute, regardless who it is, i expect their players to go mental and give it everything for the remaining game. Why, just for once, cant we do that. I'd rather them get the ball back on the centre circle and look to be scoring a goal than giving it the biggun after fluking a goal after a pathetic performance. I thought we had the better of the remainder of the game after we scored. Then you see Hamza standing over a free kick in a dangerous position taking an absolute age to take the free kick. I can't work out if they're dumb, apathetic or both. I think Bald Reynard has a point though. Actually being a good manager feels like a lost art in a good portion coaches under the age of 50. Being able to get your players motivated and working hard all game should be the bare minimum for any manager. As much as I couldn't stand watching Enzo's football, he was clearly a good man manager and had high standards that he expected from the players. Marti's style doesn't help on the eye as it's so utterly apathetic. 1
filbertway Posted 21 January Posted 21 January 7 minutes ago, ian__marshall said: To be fair to him, when he said he'd grown up watching Barcelona and that had influenced his coaching style, he never actually said the football team. We all assumed he meant the football but clearly he was referring to basketball. I feel like baskbetball is far too entertaining for Marti. Too much attacking from both sides.
Popular Post cityfanlee23 Posted 21 January Popular Post Posted 21 January (edited) All I want is Klopp/Red Bull style Gegenpressing, heavy metal football. Just look at the turnaround Rohl has given to Rangers, 13 points off the top, now they are well and truly in the title fight. He has one of the best squads in the league, but tactically he has not yet revolutionised the brainwashing that Martin was instilling in them, at times they still try to default to "control" when Rohl wants high press, but he's got the basics right and he's forcing them to run. I've fallen out of love with football because of the way the game has been going over the years, so many teams are obsessed with this awful football. Can it look good? Yes, sometimes, are the majority of managers good enough to actually deliver this football in an exciting way? No, it's slow and predictable, and more often than not becomes "control" for the sake of control, and teams just sit deep to counter it. If we wanted to bring someone in tomorrow as a 2-3 year project, I would quite like to see Hassenhuttl given the job. He doesn't take any messing around; he demands effort, and anyone not complying will be gone, unlike Marti, who spent most of this season rewarding a complete lack of effort. Every single match I find myself caring less and less about this club. I just don't really look forward to watching us anymore. Edited 21 January by cityfanlee23 6
Pita Posted 21 January Posted 21 January 1 hour ago, Les-TA-Jon said: The club knows we're not going up this season. So the only objective is to not get relegated. Whilst a potential points deduction makes it less clear, we're unlikely to go down, and we're currently 10 points clear of the relegation zone. So they won't be sacking Marti. Even if some sort of interim could improve us. And there's absolutely no way we can appoint, in our current circumstances, the manager capable of rebuilding us and getting us promoted. Trouble is Marti and co are not picking up points so going down stands a chance.
Fox92 Posted 21 January Posted 21 January 1 hour ago, Chelmofox said: My issue with this is that with 5 minutes to go, a galvanised team could have thrown everything at them to try and get the win. Half our team looked pissed off that we had scored, almost like we might have to put some effort on in the last 5 minutes. If a team equalises against us at the KP in the 90th minute, regardless who it is, i expect their players to go mental and give it everything for the remaining game. Why, just for once, cant we do that. I'm glad they looked like that. Hopefully they feel embarrassed and understand we shouldn't be dropping points in these games. I'd rather that than Abdul scoring a screamer once every month and doing a stupid dance. We're 14th in the second tier ffs.
Guppys Love Child Posted 21 January Posted 21 January 8 hours ago, Pliskin said: Which is why he probably does. He will be getting a handsome payout… I’m no body language expert, but he’s casting the same figure as Brendan when he tossed it. Marti doesn’t want to be here anymore. I get the same feeling (hence my long post earlier) I just hope he doesn't go on a sabotage run the same as "Todger's" did. The in coming points deduction is to good of an excuse for everyone to not engineer a parting of ways that keeps some level of "face" for most. Plus we're not equipped mentally or physically to be in a relegation scrap, (last nights reacton to equaliser showed that) we are struggling now with a league position with no relegation pressure, god help us when we are in the thick of it.
Outfox the Fox Posted 21 January Posted 21 January 1 hour ago, bald reynard said: https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/marti-cifuentes-makes-emotions-request-10767653 What Cifuentes says, is the main reason is he should go. Whatever the quality of the players, if the Manager can't change their belief in themselves, or motivate them to 'buck up', he's not the guy for the job. I was reading about Martin O'Neill's recipe for success and how he has inspired Celtic recently - and it's mainly due to his 'man management' skills, more than anything tactical nous or technical Coaching ability (he relied on others for that - eg Steve Walford). Flexibility was also his strength - changing approach when things weren't going right. We desperately need a Manager who's got those strengths now, with a squad who are mainly very average Championship quality, at best (just the likes of James, standing out). You're spot on, BR, Cifuentes has dug his own grave in his comments. The fact that he didn't (in that game) and can't (in so many) 'gee' up his players to perform, is his single worst weakness. Other weaknesses, such a tactical knowledge, Coaching ability and flexilibility during a match, only add to his lack of man management skills. The 2 greatest Managers in the 60 years I've been following City, had the man management ability in abundance:- 1) MON - for me, the best, for his own strengths, which in turn, allowed him to pick and then use, the skills of Assistants - obviously Steve Walford for his tactical & Coaching knowledge and John Robertson for his passion & Training ground ability. 2) Claudio - another great man manager, who knew when to intervene (and when not to!) and when (and how) to inspire players. Of course, he could never have done what he did, without Shakey (probably one of the best Coaches we've ever had - unfortunately not a Manager!). And of course all these strengths on the Coaching side, we're aided by the best 'Director of Football' we ever had - Steve Walsh (who's scouting & recruitment knowledge and skills made our current 'Director' look like Mickey Mouse - who should have stayed working with the kids, where he belongs!). No, Cifuentes has called for his own sacking, in what he said! 2 1
Guppys Love Child Posted 21 January Posted 21 January 4 hours ago, daddylonglegs said: You can’t even imagine him impressing in an interview either. I’ve got literally no idea what the club saw in him other than him being a cheap option. Spot on. Plus he paid his own get out compensation And he to some degree fulfils the Nepo Baby's love fest of tippy tappy possession based borefest football
Guppys Love Child Posted 21 January Posted 21 January 3 hours ago, lcfcfoz said: Please leave before the end of the day. Andy king 2 games v charlton and oxford and keeps job with 2 wins. If he cant get them going, russel martin Really... please explain why?
Wizerud Posted 21 January Posted 21 January Given that we're due a points deduction it seems likely we're neither getting promoted or relegated. So firing Marti, while probably justified from a purely managerial point of view, will likely mean the difference between finishing around 11th (if we fire him) and 17th (if we don't) in the table. So we'll be pissing more money away by firing him early.
Dmitry Posted 21 January Posted 21 January He should be gone just for constantly starting Ayew. That imbecile Rudkin and the Chairman sure know how to pick a winner, don't they?!
The Quick Brown Fox Posted 21 January Posted 21 January 4 hours ago, ian__marshall said: To be fair to him, when he said he'd grown up watching Barcelona and that had influenced his coaching style, he never actually said the football team. We all assumed he meant the football but clearly he was referring to basketball. Wow, well this is just childish. It's obvious he watched Barcelona, but what he didn't say was he was stuck behind a stanchion and could only see from the goal line to the edge of the D, from there out he's still trying to figure out.
The_77 Posted 21 January Posted 21 January 6 hours ago, lcfcfoz said: Please leave before the end of the day. Andy king 2 games v charlton and oxford and keeps job with 2 wins. If he cant get them going, russel martin
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