Joe90 Posted 21 January Posted 21 January (edited) 1 hour ago, Wizerud said: Given that we're due a points deduction it seems likely we're neither getting promoted or relegated. So firing Marti, while probably justified from a purely managerial point of view, will likely mean the difference between finishing around 11th (if we fire him) and 17th (if we don't) in the table. So we'll be pissing more money away by firing him early. Careful , Portsmouth are 3rd from bottom 10 points behind us they have 3 games in hand they only have to win 1 of themgames and with a 6 point deduction we are 1 game away from dropping in the bottom 3, now I’m repeating myself but if we fall in the bottom 3 we have not got the right mental strength to win big games,! Next 2 home games are massive for this reason we have to be winning both Edited 21 January by Joe90 4
Headcase Posted 21 January Posted 21 January 1 minute ago, BrilliantFox said: Is he gone yet? Not a chance were skint! Were stuck with him, the terrible squad, rudkin, top & king power 1
dannythefox Posted 21 January Posted 21 January Points deduction apparently next week. Could well be bottom 5 I really don’t fancy this gaffer and I didn’t when he arrived, done nothing in football. 1
fox_favourite Posted 21 January Posted 21 January (edited) 1 minute ago, dannythefox said: Points deduction apparently next week. Could well be bottom 5 I really don’t fancy this gaffer and I didn’t when he arrived, done nothing in football. Where has that come from? And how many do we reckon? I think it'll be 6pts Edited 21 January by fox_favourite
Heart-Shaped Fox Posted 21 January Posted 21 January Keep saying it, we get more than 6 and I think we'll go down. This manager hasn't got anything about him and too many players do not give a flying. Last game at Blackburn away could be a interesting one 2
Dollfhin Posted 21 January Posted 21 January Can anyone actually convince me that a new manager will make this lot play any differently? Unless we start playing the players who actually seem to care or try all the youth I just don't see any difference. 1 1
SafewayFox Posted 21 January Posted 21 January 8 hours ago, ian__marshall said: To be fair to him, when he said he'd grown up watching Barcelona and that had influenced his coaching style, he never actually said the football team. We all assumed he meant the football but clearly he was referring to basketball. Marti’s brand of football is so boring, are you sure that it wasn’t tiddlywinks?
Mark 'expert' Lawrenson Posted 21 January Posted 21 January If we don’t beat Oxford then he should be sacked, however we know it’s extremely unlikely as there is total apathy from the powers at be. His “brand” of football is dreadful, nothing seems to improve from one week to the next. 2
Craig Posted 21 January Posted 21 January 4 hours ago, Wizerud said: Given that we're due a points deduction it seems likely we're neither getting promoted or relegated. So firing Marti, while probably justified from a purely managerial point of view, will likely mean the difference between finishing around 11th (if we fire him) and 17th (if we don't) in the table. So we'll be pissing more money away by firing him early. On expected points we are the third worst side in this league. With a deduction of 6+ we are absolutely in the mix to go down, especially if we don't have JJ for any prolonged period. It may reach a point where we can't afford to not sack him; like it did with Rodgers, but then we left it too late and got the worst of both worlds. I'd be sacking him now (weeks ago tbh) and appointing Kingy as interim for the next couple of winnable games as it can't possibly be any worse than it currently is. A poor couple of games and we look to appoint a new manager this season to ensure we stay up, if things are looking a little better than let him ride out the season and get some proper managerial experience under his belt before making a decision in the summer.
Parafox Posted 21 January Posted 21 January 27 minutes ago, SafewayFox said: Marti’s brand of football is so boring, are you sure that it wasn’t tiddlywinks? Chess world championships.
winteriscoming Posted 21 January Posted 21 January Imagine the strong possibility of not beating Oxford and Charlton alongside Wrexham and this prat still being in charge after those games. It would not surprise in the slightest if that was to happen seeing as how dreadful we are. 1
Chelmofox Posted 21 January Posted 21 January We cant be in a position where he was saved by a Vestergaard equaliser last night? Anyone with half a brain could see by the goal 'celebration' that the team had totally given up. There now has to be a plan in place. I think most of us would support King as interim. If the results are the same as Martii then we are no worse. King simply cant be worse than this. 1
BrilliantFox Posted 21 January Posted 21 January Sack Marti and bring Andy King as interim. Then go get a proper manager in the summer. 2
oxtonfox Posted 21 January Posted 21 January He has to go as soon as possible. We have winnable games coming up and we need to get points. We will not with this joker in charge. His team selections, his rigid formation, his atrocious in game management, and passive responses. The repeating of the same meaningless cliches in after match comments. Preaching this awful, outdated, slow, sideways and back approach riddled with mistakes. Trouble is this team has no leaders either. A leaderless manager amongst a group lacking voice. Shocking.. No direction, no response, a passive acceptance of events. He must be sacked or we have no chance of survival with even a minimal points deduction. 2
adamkhalifa Posted 21 January Posted 21 January How much financial trouble must we be in to allow Marti to continue. Can't sack a manager with a terrible record. Someone send a pigeon to Top, with current position, games lost, work rate, and the clean sheet record. 1
fazzyfox Posted 21 January Posted 21 January Maybe we don’t have to sack him until the next financial year but put him on gardening leave for gross misconduct (picking Ayew and leaving him on for 90 minutes after witnessing him “play” before). I’ll throw in a pack of seeds to get him started, maybe we could all bring some, have a whip round and buy him a wheel barrow. He can take Winks with him as a gnome to sit at the end of the garden contributing nothing. Then use our existing coaches as caretaker manager and hope their team sheets and organisation are better than his
cityfanlee23 Posted 21 January Posted 21 January 4 hours ago, Heart-Shaped Fox said: Keep saying it, we get more than 6 and I think we'll go down. This manager hasn't got anything about him and too many players do not give a flying. Last game at Blackburn away could be a interesting one I'm trying to run through all the scenarios in my head of how this will go, the confidence seems rock bottom, half the squad do not care at all, if we get 8+ points deducted, we genuinely could be at risk of going down, it will collapse us. I'm trying to work out whether it would be more beneficial to sack him now and let a new manager try to galvanise us before the deduction, or do we wait until the deduction, then try to bring someone with a bit of character in? 2
The Year Of The Fox Posted 21 January Posted 21 January 4 hours ago, Dollfhin said: Can anyone actually convince me that a new manager will make this lot play any differently? Unless we start playing the players who actually seem to care or try all the youth I just don't see any difference. Mods should lock this thread. Might knock some sense into those posting. Divert their attention to the real problem 1
Guppys Love Child Posted 21 January Posted 21 January 8 minutes ago, cityfanlee23 said: I'm trying to run through all the scenarios in my head of how this will go, the confidence seems rock bottom, half the squad do not care at all, if we get 8+ points deducted, we genuinely could be at risk of going down, it will collapse us. I'm trying to work out whether it would be more beneficial to sack him now and let a new manager try to galvanise us before the deduction, or do we wait until the deduction, then try to bring someone with a bit of character in? Personally I'd can him now and finally get rid of his influence from the team, with a but of luck we may then have a fighting chance to pick up some points, and if that's before the deduction, all the better. I'd much rather have a potential points "cushion " of say a match and a draw post deduction. But we all know how short sighted, and incompetent the club is, so nothing will change, and they will act true to form and start sh1tting themselves when it's too late or not act and get us relegated.... 1
Popular Post Finnegan Posted 21 January Popular Post Posted 21 January 5 hours ago, Dollfhin said: Can anyone actually convince me that a new manager will make this lot play any differently? Unless we start playing the players who actually seem to care or try all the youth I just don't see any difference. If we've learned nothing and we try and recruit yet another manager to play the exact same way as Ruud and Cooper then, yeah, it's going to be dreadful. What we need is our equivelant of O'Neill going back to Celtic or Shakespeare taking over after Ranieri. A back-to-basics, galvanising figure to come in as an interim coach and just get everyone fired up and doing standard things like running and pressing with some intensity. Everyone will laugh at the notion of this but there actually IS enough quality in this team still that if it was working hard and running hard it'd still pick up enough points to be easily top half. 7
Guppys Love Child Posted 21 January Posted 21 January 6 minutes ago, Finnegan said: If we've learned nothing and we try and recruit yet another manager to play the exact same way as Ruud and Cooper then, yeah, it's going to be dreadful. What we need is our equivelant of O'Neill going back to Celtic or Shakespeare taking over after Ranieri. A back-to-basics, galvanising figure to come in as an interim coach and just get everyone fired up and doing standard things like running and pressing with some intensity. Everyone will laugh at the notion of this but there actually IS enough quality in this team still that if it was working hard and running hard it'd still pick up enough points to be easily top half. I'm not laughing mate. I totally agree with you.
Mickyblueeyes Posted 21 January Posted 21 January 9 minutes ago, Finnegan said: If we've learned nothing and we try and recruit yet another manager to play the exact same way as Ruud and Cooper then, yeah, it's going to be dreadful. What we need is our equivelant of O'Neill going back to Celtic or Shakespeare taking over after Ranieri. A back-to-basics, galvanising figure to come in as an interim coach and just get everyone fired up and doing standard things like running and pressing with some intensity. Everyone will laugh at the notion of this but there actually IS enough quality in this team still that if it was working hard and running hard it'd still pick up enough points to be easily top half. You know there’s a lot of value in this type of management - especially in our situation - a lot of fans were calling for it last season with guys like Moyes and Dyche etc. not the most stylish manager nor exactly long term but value you in setting standards, improving fitness and getting accountability into this group goes a long way. The reality is we are not going to sell this entire squad and replace them with better players in January. We are not going to recruit a Maresca style coach and give him the pre season to implement an effective playing style (maybe do both in the summer). With the risk of sounding a “dinosaur” get a manager in who concentrates on defending and running your bollocks off.
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