If you knew then..

[turkish14]

If in May 2016 you were told that in ten years from now,

 

-You would feel disconnect with your club.

-That we are a Lower mid table-relegation team

-We have no money 

-The players are players we do not want at our club

-The atmosphere is crap, the quality of football is turgid 

-We have a points deduction looming 

-That PSR is ruining the game

 

but before then you will see your team win the EPL and FA cup for the first time, plus 3 European trips, and witness one of our players score in 11 consecutive games..

 

would you accept where we are today,  for what we have witnessed? 

 

I ask as I believe the owners and large portion of our fan base feel that they would accept where we are today, because it’s been worth it. 

[Stadt]

It wasn’t binary. We have to resist this line of thinking as it offers an easy out and takes the heat off.

 

The decline has been a choice, it’s been easier to avoid this than it was to get there. Completely inexcusable 

[jayfox26]

Nobody would change our past successes but we can't use them as an excuse for rank under performance and mis management now. If we think like "we've won the league and fa cup so nothing else matters" then we may as well fold the club and we can all find some other ways to pass our time. 

Edited 24 January by jayfox26

[OntarioFox]

We shouldn't be marking the 10 year anniversary of our highest ever point by threatening to equal our lowest ever. Thanks to the vast majority of individuals involved with this club over the past half decade though, both on and off the pitch, we are. That is unforgiveable.

[ParkerPen]

when we were shit in the 2000's 

we were just shit

no money,  no (standout) talent

 

now we are shit almost deliberately. 

season after season, since todgers

we did the unthinkable in terms of success and we now do the unthinkable in terms of constant brain dead high level decision making

 

despite the achievements I never thought we'd accomplish, I cannot defend the frankly negligent behaviour at board level latterly 

[Corky]

44 minutes ago, Stadt said:

It wasn’t binary. We have to resist this line of thinking as it offers an easy out and takes the heat off.

 

The decline has been a choice, it’s been easier to avoid this than it was to get there. Completely inexcusable 

We were close to winning the double in the 60s. We had been to four FA Cup Finals before 2021. Winning in this era is remarkable but it isn't as though we had never been close in the past.

 

This should never, ever be accepted.

[iancognito]

Fact is we'd have accepted it as a swap back then. But not now and HOW its happened. We didn't win the league in isolation. We had cup runs, a cup win, top 8 finishes and were as established in the top flight as we've ever been in our history. No club should ever spiral like we have this quickly.

[wallin1704]

It shouldn't ever be accepted.

 

To finish 8th in the league (which at that time was a bad season) to then be relegated with the squad we had was unbelievable.

 

Bad decision after bad decision in terms of not sacking Rodgers earlier after some very questionable team selections (Danny Ward playing week in week out) coupled with incredibly poor recruitment have come to haunt us.

Rodgers seemed to have the arse that a Chelsea or someone didn't come in for him when we won the cup and seemed to sulk and be petulant after that.

 

Vichai had his flaws but seemed to learn from them (Throwing money at Sven and then bringing Pearson back) and for a while with the scouting of Walsh, Pearson and Shakey at the helm we made some incredible things happen.

A well run club that yeah had to balance the books by selling off assets but you always felt we had a plan going forward.

He would've sacked Rodgers long before we finally did.

 

Cue tragedy and his feckless son taking full control and having the likes of Rudkin and other yes men surrounding him has blundered his way to where we are now.

 

Financially unstable as he has pissed money away on the shambles of a squad we have collected. Rewarded mediocrity with extended contracts (Thomas and Vestergaard) but worst of all he had gambled with the future of this club by taking out loans against TV money to pay off short term debts.

 

PSR maybe a bad decision to keep the status quo and stop another Leicester from disrupting the big boys but they are sadly the rules you have to play by.

 

We are so badly run that we will get fined and points deducted and more than likely more than once as well. 

 

Sorry for the rant half asleep and fed up with feeling so disconnected from the club I love.

[Sky Blues]

7 hours ago, turkish14 said:

If in May 2016 you were told that in ten years from now,

 

-You would feel disconnect with your club.

-That we are a Lower mid table-relegation team

-We have no money 

-The players are players we do not want at our club

-The atmosphere is crap, the quality of football is turgid 

-We have a points deduction looming 

-That PSR is ruining the game

 

but before then you will see your team win the EPL and FA cup for the first time, plus 3 European trips, and witness one of our players score in 11 consecutive games..

 

would you accept where we are today,  for what we have witnessed? 

 

I ask as I believe the owners and large portion of our fan base feel that they would accept where we are today, because it’s been worth it. 

You may feel fine about it now but you haven't hit the bottom yet. You now most probably have a relegation battle on your hands with a points deduction and lost at home to the team still in 23rd place. Relegation would be a disaster because you wouldn't get the final Prem money that you've already mortgaged as League 1 sides don't get the payments. 

 

Imagine also getting relegated with players getting paid the same amount as the full team they face with your opponents putting in 100% every game.

 

It has taken us 25 years to get to this point from our financial mess. Football debts must be paid or you get hit with more points deductions. You would then also be limited on the players you could sign. You would end up with the players nobody wants. Loans? No loan fees allowed and limited on what you put towards their wages. 

 

Some of your fanbase need a massive reality check. 

[dannythefox]

7 hours ago, turkish14 said:

If in May 2016 you were told that in ten years from now,

 

-You would feel disconnect with your club.

-That we are a Lower mid table-relegation team

-We have no money 

-The players are players we do not want at our club

-The atmosphere is crap, the quality of football is turgid 

-We have a points deduction looming 

-That PSR is ruining the game

 

but before then you will see your team win the EPL and FA cup for the first time, plus 3 European trips, and witness one of our players score in 11 consecutive games..

 

would you accept where we are today,  for what we have witnessed? 

 

I ask as I believe the owners and large portion of our fan base feel that they would accept where we are today, because it’s been worth it. 

The last 10yrs we’ve seen the biggest rise in football and are about to see the biggest decline! All that hard work should have seen us play prem football for years to come yet somehow we’ve blown it and we’ll never be in that position again. From how we it’s actually very difficult to get where we are now but somehow we’ve done it. Sell the Club and move on.

[Lambert09]

7 hours ago, Stadt said:

It wasn’t binary. We have to resist this line of thinking as it offers an easy out and takes the heat off.

 

The decline has been a choice, it’s been easier to avoid this than it was to get there. Completely inexcusable 

Nailed it! 

[Nods]

Our success is the reason that our decline is unacceptable. Not the consolation.

[Sly]

5 minutes ago, Sky Blues said:

You may feel fine about it now but you haven't hit the bottom yet. You now most probably have a relegation battle on your hands with a points deduction and lost at home to the team still in 23rd place. Relegation would be a disaster because you wouldn't get the final Prem money that you've already mortgaged as League 1 sides don't get the payments. 

 

Imagine also getting relegated with players getting paid the same amount as the full team they face with your opponents putting in 100% every game.

 

It has taken us 25 years to get to this point from our financial mess. Football debts must be paid or you get hit with more points deductions. You would then also be limited on the players you could sign. You would end up with the players nobody wants. Loans? No loan fees allowed and limited on what you put towards their wages. 

 

Some of your fanbase need a massive reality check. 

You do still get parachute payments to my knowledge. 
 

At this point, I do wonder if we are committing self sabotage to save up money to fund a stadium that will be 2/3 empty. 
 

We’d have a huge financial advantage with the amount it is. That parachute payment alone would be larger than half the divisions wage bills. 

[Sky Blues]

17 minutes ago, Sly said:

You do still get parachute payments to my knowledge. 
 

At this point, I do wonder if we are committing self sabotage to save up money to fund a stadium that will be 2/3 empty. 
 

We’d have a huge financial advantage with the amount it is. That parachute payment alone would be larger than half the divisions wage bills. 

Just had a look and you're correct. 

 

But you have mortgaged future payments to keep going with your astronomical wage bill for the Championship and an owner who seems unwilling/unable to put new money into your club. If you still couldn't shift the players on stupid wages it would be a bigger problem than it is now. And if they haven't got the heart for a battle in the Championship what chance have you got on a cold, rainy night in Exeter?

[MPH]

Meh,  this low isn’t anything different to what we’ve been through before, as turgid as it all is.

 

 

the league win was, however.

[filbertway]

Pointless question that means nothing.

 

 

[zacd14]

The worst thing is, we had a perfect platform to set ourselves up as a top 10 PL club but we have fuched it through terrible ownership and mismanagement. The fact that Top or Ruskin don't show accountability and not had the decency to resign or step away is staggering. If it was any other business and you had that rapid decline, you'd call it a day.

[LiliansLeftPeg]

11 hours ago, turkish14 said:

If in May 2016 you were told that in ten years from now,

 

-You would feel disconnect with your club.

-That we are a Lower mid table-relegation team

-We have no money 

-The players are players we do not want at our club

-The atmosphere is crap, the quality of football is turgid 

-We have a points deduction looming 

-That PSR is ruining the game

 

but before then you will see your team win the EPL and FA cup for the first time, plus 3 European trips, and witness one of our players score in 11 consecutive games..

 

would you accept where we are today,  for what we have witnessed? 

 

I ask as I believe the owners and large portion of our fan base feel that they would accept where we are today, because it’s been worth it. 

I believe absolutely that Vichai would not have let this rot happen on his watch. I think he would have made different choices, held more control at KP and protected the squad culture and relationship with the fans. Nobody does what he did in life by accepting failure, regardless of what's gone before. 

 

So to answer your question, no. Our pre-October 2018 ownership model wouldn't have accepted this at all and I doubt we'd even be in this position. I also doubt our current ownership model "accepts" it either - they just don't have the capability, acumen or strategic thinking required to do anything about it. 

[filthyfox]

6 minutes ago, LiliansLeftPeg said:

 I also doubt our current ownership model "accepts" it either - they just don't have the capability, acumen or strategic thinking required to do anything about it. 

...maybe there just is no money to get anything better.  

[bovril]

If we'd finished let's say 4th in 2016, and lost to Utd in the 1/4 final in 2021, we'd still be where we are now because the management structure would be the same. So yeah obviously better to have won something and ****ed up than not. 

[Vestan Pance]

We can't swap it.

[Spanner73]

13 hours ago, Stadt said:

It wasn’t binary. We have to resist this line of thinking as it offers an easy out and takes the heat off.

 

The decline has been a choice, it’s been easier to avoid this than it was to get there. Completely inexcusable 

It’s the “CARE” of the club that’s the issue here !!! 

Everyone has an opinion which a lot of the time comes down to fans that believe in 

 

Loyalty through thick and thin, good times and bad

 

versus

 

The “CARE” of the football club and it being looked after, like you would a pet. Personally for me, I cannot stomach the fact that our club is effectively being kicked around the floor and treated so badly from an owner that indicates his love for it, I’m sorry my eyes don’t lie to me, how anyone can still attend matches and support this is beyond me !! 
 

He should do the honourable thing and look for a buyer as it’s not fair on the fans anymore 

[Heathrow fox]

Historically our current situation should be no surprise.Whenever a provincial club punches above it’s weight,or goes up through the leagues,it nearly always  ends badly.VERY QUICKLY.I can only think of Cloughies Forest who managed to stabilise themselves after huge trophy wins and continued to have a decades worth of relative success as the exception.
 

[Bourbon Fox]

False binary. 

 

The answer is yes, but it's not a choice that exists outside pointless retrospective talk. 

 

We could have had the success and then consolidated. They f**ked it up. 

[BKLFox]

Yeah wish I was born in London so I could have supported Fulham 🤷‍♂️