Event Horizon

[LCFCJohn]

1 hour ago, Freddy said:

It is sad. But its worth mentioning again that the clappy fans are not complicit in the turmoil backstage, all we see is the show. Not a single one is happy with Top. Not a single fan walked away after watching Norwich,  thinking thay our hierarchy is anything less than culpable for our current situation. 

I sat there last Saturday watching our fans clap and ok pass, Winks swiching it across the pitch, we're that starved of excitement. And it wasn't even that good a pass really. 

Sorry but this is clearly not true.

 

There are many many ‘fans’ that are happy with Aiyawatt because he is ‘the family’. Many think he has nothing to do with the decline. They might blame Rudkin but seem oblivious to the fact Rudkin is Aiyawatt/KP.

[Philkeavo]

8 hours ago, jayfox26 said:

Losing in football is part of the game. 

 

Relegation, especially for teams like ours, is part of the game (not necessarily to the third tier) 

 

The genuine fear that our club could be extinct in the next 6-12 months is utterly horrifying.

 

The fact that many of our fans seem happy to watch the club burn under Tops ownership is unfathomable. 

 

There is genuinely nothing to like about this club right now. 

 

The owner

The board

The players 

Many of the fans 

 

All complicit in the absolute destruction of the club so many of us love.

 

Sad.  

This is exactly how I feel. Well articulated 👏

[Pliskin]

9 hours ago, Collymore said:

Anyone else feeling the death Leicester City is happening right now in real time over these weeks/months and there is no return now and it's moved into a new terminal phase?

 

It's different to anything in the past - a bit lke Event Horizon for you space geeks! 

 

Uncharted times....... A feeling...... Hard to describe......

 

All jokes with other fans out of the window.

 

People that know you well shocked that you're falling out of love with club at this extreme level. 

100%
 

 

The major issue for us, is financially we’re still operating like a PL club on the periphery of Europe. 
 

So, these comparisons to Sunderland, Bolton and Pompey are so wide of the mark. 
 

Going down will spell the end of the club, how can we possibly sort the financial mess out with even more restrictions? I don’t think some appreciate how bad things actually are. 
 

I chap I work with’s wife works for the club, and has done for years and there’s allegedly talk of mass redundancies….. so it’s clear the club are now starting to panic. 
 

This situation isn’t recoverable, the players don’t care anymore, the owner has lost complete control of the club, he is putting the people firmly in control who are responsible for the mess, so it’s completely obvious where this is heading. 
 

 

We’re on life support, and limping into the last few months of the clubs existence. 
 

The only thing that may save us, is the EFL step in at the end of the financial year, and put us into some form of special measures, forcing the club to produce solid plans on how they’re going to remedy the situation, if this is something they can do? 
 

I’ve just lost all hope, love and passion for the club. I just hope that if we do go down and end and go into administration, that it brings about owners before we go bust. 

Edited 7 March by Pliskin

[Claudio Fannieri]

8 minutes ago, LCFCJohn said:

Sorry but this is clearly not true.

 

There are many many ‘fans’ that are happy with Aiyawatt because he is ‘the family’. Many think he has nothing to do with the decline. They might blame Rudkin but seem oblivious to the fact Rudkin is Aiyawatt/KP.

Nail on head pal 👏🏼 look at last week so many posts on social media defending the ownership and condemning the protests. At what stage do these people wake up and realise what is happening. This isn’t just a relegation to league 1 that will be a jolly for 12 months, our club is on life support at the moment and a relegation means that machine will be switched off. 
 

Admin and possible liquidation is not out of the question, not withstanding the countless hard working people who will lose their jobs and the damage it will do to the local economy in general. The club is saddled with debt and massive costs anyone who cannot understand that losing the best part of £200m over 3 years in any business environment is going to end up in deep financial 💩 if you cannot recognise this then you are delusional. 

[Nolucklcfc]

I think as a fan, there is only so much you can take in terms of constantly being let down. You’re just desperate for some kind of hope, some change, some wins, just anything but we never get it. 
 

Then for him to promote Rudkin in the week, I mean at that point you just struggle to find the words. It does feel bad this though, like the club is dying. It’s heartbreaking. 
 

If and when we do drop, the future looks very bleak. 

[Philkeavo]

I think the shuffling of the deck chairs on the Titanic restructure last week will go down in history of as one the clubs of the most idiotic decisons. We are fighting for our survival and existence with relegation to the third tier and the financial oblivion that this would bring and Aiyatwatt thinks that is the right time to make the changes. The club are going to have to make massive job cuts to the playing and support staff and this imbecile makes the changes now. You couldn’t make it up. 

Edited 7 March by Philkeavo

[davieG]

I try to console myself with this as KPFC failing as LCFC disappeared before our very blinkered eyes from the moment KP owned us.

 

They may have brought unprecedented success but it's been at the loss of LCFC

 

The alienating of the fans, for sure they've maintained a good relationship with the wider community ironically so much better than they have with the match going fans.

 

It started within weeks as the Walkers Stadium became the KP Stadium and any nods to our history were replaced by everything KP

 

You'll find Leicester City Football Club hidden behind the two big screens

 

As I posted on the Remembering when LCFC moved.......

 

"The thing with Filbert St you knew instantly it was the home of Leicester City Football Club as for KP well.................. it could be anyone's"

 

[Blue ROI]

1 minute ago, Philkeavo said:

I think the shuffling of the deck chairs on the Titanic restructure last week will go down in history of our as one of the most bizarre timings. We are fighting for our survival and existence with relegation to the third tier and the financial oblivion that this would bring and Aiyatwatt thinks that is the right time to make the changes. The club are going to have to make massive job cuts to the playing and support staff and this imbecile makes the changes now. You couldn’t make it up. 

And the fudge of a restructure won't help then when they look upon all the empty seats on Tuesday.

[Reg Vardy]

I do believe that long term fans, have got older, priorities change. Easiest example is my Brother, Man United fan, now 71, never missed a game home or away, for 25 years, as he got older, the drive became too demanding(120 miles each  way) the cost, as he moved to retirement became prohibitive, hasn’t been to a game for 5 years….has relinquished his season ticket.United season tickets have been in demand

Switch to the Foxes,80% of our home crowd are Season ticket holders, for nigh on ten years prior to this season buying a ticket wasn’t easy, passing your season ticket has become more difficult.

So when you look around the ground, or walking to the ground, what % are over 60? Add to that young people’s inability to buy tickets for ten years and as the older generation of season tickets stop going, can’t be arsed and given how the club is, they are going to struggle to replace season ticket holders who no longer go.

Its likely we won’t repeat the last twelve years ( unbelievable) in the next twelve, the strong have got stronger, and it’s harder for a club like us to keep up

In addition it’s is likely to be easier to buy tickets certainly for the next two years.

Finally, what’s happening in the world won’t help, Emirates and Etihad are two that will suffer, but so will King Power….as reliance on Air Travel is part of their business interests.

What I am saying is older fans will leave the building, younger fans, who have never got a ticket won’t replace them, particularly now, and what’s happening has a few logical reasons behind it, on top of the club being a shambles.

I’ll be there for Bristol City, but an awful lot won’t…and I get it…..there is no instant fix….

[davieG]

12 minutes ago, Reg Vardy said:

I do believe that long term fans, have got older, priorities change. Easiest example is my Brother, Man United fan, now 71, never missed a game home or away, for 25 years, as he got older, the drive became too demanding(120 miles each  way) the cost, as he moved to retirement became prohibitive, hasn’t been to a game for 5 years….has relinquished his season ticket.United season tickets have been in demand

Switch to the Foxes,80% of our home crowd are Season ticket holders, for nigh on ten years prior to this season buying a ticket wasn’t easy, passing your season ticket has become more difficult.

So when you look around the ground, or walking to the ground, what % are over 60? Add to that young people’s inability to buy tickets for ten years and as the older generation of season tickets stop going, can’t be arsed and given how the club is, they are going to struggle to replace season ticket holders who no longer go.

Its likely we won’t repeat the last twelve years ( unbelievable) in the next twelve, the strong have got stronger, and it’s harder for a club like us to keep up

In addition it’s is likely to be easier to buy tickets certainly for the next two years.

Finally, what’s happening in the world won’t help, Emirates and Etihad are two that will suffer, but so will King Power….as reliance on Air Travel is part of their business interests.

What I am saying is older fans will leave the building, younger fans, who have never got a ticket won’t replace them, particularly now, and what’s happening has a few logical reasons behind it, on top of the club being a shambles.

I’ll be there for Bristol City, but an awful lot won’t…and I get it…..there is no instant fix….

It's not been helped by KPs delusions of grandeur both on and off the pitch believing they were on a par potentially with the 6, it was never going to be the case by focussing on the tourist fan with high prices and luxury add-ons.

 

It was clear with the expanded stadium seating layout and questionnaire that this was their target audience instead of young local support particularly late teens early 20s  like you say.

 

So now they will pay the price even if they get back to the PL  those teens etc will have found something else to keep their attention and loyalty.

[Bourbon Fox]

2 hours ago, fox_favourite said:

Anyone wanting our club relegated because "it'll force change" is not looking at the bigger picture. 

It's really that simple.

 

Top can't even sell if we go down.

[Swarles Barkley]

Never thought I would say it bit beginning to wonder if winning the league was actually worse in the long run. People will say you take winning the prem for what follows and largely I agreed, but now you have to think whether its all worth it.

 

Its a complete shitshow at the club and something which is meant to take your mind off everyday life adds more stress and misery.And this is even more elevated considering where we once were

 

There will be people who say its only a game, but for others and I include myself in that it was one of the few nice things in life I enjoyed. Now even that is gone

[Nalis]

If it was just down to a few bad manager appointments in a row I could accept it a bit more with the right person in charge to reset and bring us back up.

 

Until KP, Top and Rudkin go there is no hope.

[ParkerPen]

Under rated film

[Corky]

5 minutes ago, Swarles Barkley said:

Never thought I would say it bit beginning to wonder if winning the league was actually worse in the long run. People will say you take winning the prem for what follows and largely I agreed, but now you have to think whether its all worth it.

 

Its a complete shitshow at the club and something which is meant to take your mind off everyday life adds more stress and misery.And this is even more elevated considering where we once were

 

There will be people who say its only a game, but for others and I include myself in that it was one of the few nice things in life I enjoyed. Now even that is gone

I made a point last week that not winning the League and Cup in the 60s has probably had a bigger impact.

 

The 60s, the early 00s, the stadium move, the last decade- a myriad of wasted opportunities to really grow the club.

[1884HF]

2 hours ago, MattFox said:

And a large percentage of our fanbase clap like seals whilst the ship goes down 

like the people on the titanic clapping as it sinks because it once made headlines so they won't complain 

[Sly]

7 hours ago, Jon the Hat said:

its unclear how the system is supposed to work in our case. 

 

If we go down and incur further huge losses, our owners continue to fund those losses, we fail PSR again by a huge margin and are punished with more points deductions, which send us down again.... PSR then literally kills the club which has owners willing and able to fund it fully. 

 

Its mental, and I don't see how it can be legal.  Rules which force a death spiral of a business and club.

I’ve said this since PSR was introduced.

 

Legitimate everyday businesses compete by owner investment and they also cover losses when things don’t go as planned.

 

For whatever reason, the rules prevent this happening and it’s not as simple as cutting your losses, as the financial weight around our necks due to how football contracts work, means we carry the burden for years. 
 

A single persons stupidity (I’m looking at the board), can bury a club. 

[adejo92]

The clubs sucked any kind of enjoyment or interest out of me.

 

Absolutely emotionless at each of our results or the impending relegation.

 

Looked at Oxfords win last night and just shrugged my shoulders.

 

Genuinely couldn't care if the club folded today, and that's from someone who's life used to revolve around LCFC. This isn't the same football club i followed across Europe - and i don't mean in terms of the success.

 

It's not a heat of the moment statement either, it's something that i have recognised over a number of months. Genuinely would move on with life extremely quickly if this club folded.

Edited 7 March by adejo92

[jayfox26]

2 hours ago, Freddy said:

That's the point though. Some fans do not agree with a lot of protesting but even they do not love Top. They are not blind and you can see. They feel as disenchanted but disagree that it's possible to force out a Top, that is unwilling to wake up. Top will stay in charge because he can. Top my blow everything. Top will not be the first person to do this, or the last. 

It might not be possible to force him out but it becomes easier if the whole fanbase turns on him and makes it toxic. He currently thinks that many of the fans are happy with him because they pay for their tickets, and they quietly sit in the stadium while the club burns. If we had 20,000+ people protesting against him every match, how long do you think it would be before he starts to question if he needs to consider selling the club. Hes had it too easy for too long from our fans. You only need to go on social media to see he still has people that support him and don't want him to leave. 

[Lad1966]

1 hour ago, Pliskin said:

100%
 

 

The major issue for us, is financially we’re still operating like a PL club on the periphery of Europe. 
 

So, these comparisons to Sunderland, Bolton and Pompey are so wide of the mark. 
 

Going down will spell the end of the club, how can we possibly sort the financial mess out with even more restrictions? I don’t think some appreciate how bad things actually are. 
 

I chap I work with’s wife works for the club, and has done for years and there’s allegedly talk of mass redundancies….. so it’s clear the club are now starting to panic. 
 

This situation isn’t recoverable, the players don’t care anymore, the owner has lost complete control of the club, he is putting the people firmly in control who are responsible for the mess, so it’s completely obvious where this is heading. 
 

 

We’re on life support, and limping into the last few months of the clubs existence. 
 

The only thing that may save us, is the EFL step in at the end of the financial year, and put us into some form of special measures, forcing the club to produce solid plans on how they’re going to remedy the situation, if this is something they can do? 
 

I’ve just lost all hope, love and passion for the club. I just hope that if we do go down and end and go into administration, that it brings about owners before we go bust. 

When Birmingham and Wrexham were in league  1, they invested millions into the club, without any restrictions, because as I understand it owner can do that in league 1, but this is restricted in the championship and PL. I’m not saying Top will do that, but they could look for other sources of investment. Either way the club needs to cut costs as well as wages, for the long term development  and good of the club. 

[Blueman1967]

A situation we have been through before, but this is of our own making, but not knowing if we would bounce back, if we went down to League one, how would we return?

 

2 hours ago, when_you're_smiling said:

Thought I’d have a look at the forum from back in 2008 and the last time being relegated to League One. Quite funny seeing ‘that’ Sheff Weds match thread being only five pages long.

 

We’d been circling the drain for a few seasons, though, and obviously hadn’t seen the riches we have since. Plenty of hate for Mandaric/Holloway.

 

No mention of PSR, of course, or much financially I could see, even though the wage-to-turnover ratio was 103 percent that season and the one before. People didn’t care so much about that before PSR.

[Tommy G]

Yet how many people will be at Portman rd this afternoon clapping the lads? I couldn’t think of anything worse 

[Paninistickers]

23 minutes ago, Blueman1967 said:

A situation we have been through before, but this is of our own making, but not knowing if we would bounce back, if we went down to League one, how would we return?

 

2 hours ago, when_you're_smiling said:

Thought I’d have a look at the forum from back in 2008 and the last time being relegated to League One. Quite funny seeing ‘that’ Sheff Weds match thread being only five pages long.

 

We’d been circling the drain for a few seasons, though, and obviously hadn’t seen the riches we have since. Plenty of hate for Mandaric/Holloway.

 

No mention of PSR, of course, or much financially I could see, even though the wage-to-turnover ratio was 103 percent that season and the one before. People didn’t care so much about that before PSR.

Mandaric was on radio Leicester the morning after relegation and, I remember his exact words.... him not allowing 'financial meltdown'.

 

His tone was basically saying,.it's my bad and much to my own annoyance, I'm gonna have to dig deep to finance our way out of this. Obvs he racked the debt in the club's name, as was his business MO. 

 

But ultimately, he did have the hard cash to get us out of it. The Khunt hasn't. And, he didn't have the two worst  individual players in league one in BdcR and Thomas earning more than the entire budgets of every other team. 

[Claudio Fannieri]

I am 52 years old, for 47 years Leicester City has been a fundamental part of my life, there have been the highest of highs and some real low points, I love Leicester City Football Club, I hate it has been allowed to become a vehicle to promote King Power. 
 

slowly but surely Leicester City is losing its identity, it feels like a franchise now, KPFC who wear blue and play in Leicester but the history of the club and character of the club is vanishing, very little reference is made to anyone or anything that pre dates the KP era. 
 

The soul of the club is slowly eroding away and being replaced with customers who accept and enable a hierarchy to make more and more ill informed decisions that not only creates a further divide with its fanbase but also has taken the club to the brink of league 1, financial meltdown and possible administration. 
 

it is absolutely soul destroying 🥲

[Freddy]

1 hour ago, jayfox26 said:

It might not be possible to force him out but it becomes easier if the whole fanbase turns on him and makes it toxic. He currently thinks that many of the fans are happy with him because they pay for their tickets, and they quietly sit in the stadium while the club burns. If we had 20,000+ people protesting against him every match, how long do you think it would be before he starts to question if he needs to consider selling the club. Hes had it too easy for too long from our fans. You only need to go on social media to see he still has people that support him and don't want him to leave. 

We must agree to differ. I honestly do not believe that any number of fans or any amount of marching will have any effect on a man who's doesn't spent a lot of time in England and is to pround to admit defeat. 

This is my view with respect to you jayfox and your many valid posts.