League One - Who manages us?

[teblin]

#ihavetheblues

[Foxin_Mad]

1 minute ago, Mickyblueeyes said:

People associating the style with Top - and understandably so as he is the prat who sat in an interview and told a candidate “I want to play like Man City”. Need to remember Rudkin’s role. 
 

Go back to pre King Power - when Rudkin was only polluting the youth team with weak minded disruptive players (see Mattock as an example but to be fair, Stearmen, Sheehan etc also had application issues). Beaglehole and Rudkin were continually criticised on here with their slow build up style - completely alien to the way the first team played or could play. 
 

The man has been impacting this club for too long. 
 

FYI - for the anoraks. Any style, implemented well, is fine. However, to implement this style that they seem hell bent on, they need to work - we need technical players which tend to cost more. It’s failed because we don’t have those players anymore. Even our best at the moment, James is not technically brilliant. 

Also those that are technically good but aren't at top clubs tend to have other issues, as we have found out like a piss weak mentality. Its no surprise that our best player is the least technical, and is exactly the profile of player this club needs and fans appreciate. 

[ClaphamFox]

1 hour ago, teblin said:

We have this conversation so often, shows how badly the club is ran.

 

I wouldn’t be surprised if it is. If he wants it I think they’ll club will see it as a big coup. Nothing would surprise me.

 

If it is him and soon, at least they’ll have been more decisive this time. No the right decision but hey.

 

 

Yes we do . Every single time we find ourselves between managers, somebody always pops up to claim that Martin is a done deal. Thankfully so far they've always been proven wrong. 

 

The big problem with Martin is not that he favours possession football—plenty of teams get out of League One while dominating the ball— but that he has no track record of coaching a team to be resilient in defence. He prioritises principles over defensive pragmatism, even when the trade-off becomes costly in a very obvious way. Our core problems in recent years have been fragility under pressure, poor defensive structure and vulnerability in transitions. Not only is Martin not the solution to those problems, he would likely exacerbate them.

 

For the club to appoint Russell Martin, they would have to completely ignore his track record or somehow hope that he's undergone some kind of Damascene conversion. It would be an insane appointment given the position we're in. And I'm hopeful—possibly naïvely so—that McCarron and Davies will recognize that and persuade Top to appoint somebody else.

[Mickyblueeyes]

2 minutes ago, Foxin_Mad said:

Also those that are technically good but aren't at top clubs tend to have other issues, as we have found out like a piss weak mentality. Its no surprise that our best player is the least technical, and is exactly the profile of player this club needs and fans appreciate. 

I am not sure I agree on technical players not at top clubs having issues. Plenty we have faced this season who are just good footballers - not everyone can play for Man U. I would happily have a few we have faced this season that fall into that description. I just think we lack that sort of talent - we have had a decent 10 all season. To be honest we havent had a decent full back, centre back, left winger or striker either. There are so many gaps in the team and that has to have an effect on a player. 

 

Imagine playing 5/7-a-side and you mate keeps falling off the ball - you'd be angry/annoyed. Its the same for say Fatawu or James. Imagine see Vestegaard let someone slip in or Mavididi run down a blind alley or Daka miss another sitter. Ricardo leave his man. Begovic or the other one (I cant be bothered spelling his name) drop a cross. I have no respect for these players because they fail to prepare. They are absolute assholes.

[Foxin_Mad]

2 minutes ago, Mickyblueeyes said:

I am not sure I agree on technical players not at top clubs having issues. Plenty we have faced this season who are just good footballers - not everyone can play for Man U. I would happily have a few we have faced this season that fall into that description. I just think we lack that sort of talent - we have had a decent 10 all season. To be honest we havent had a decent full back, centre back, left winger or striker either. There are so many gaps in the team and that has to have an effect on a player. 

 

Imagine playing 5/7-a-side and you mate keeps falling off the ball - you'd be angry/annoyed. Its the same for say Fatawu or James. Imagine see Vestegaard let someone slip in or Mavididi run down a blind alley or Daka miss another sitter. Ricardo leave his man. Begovic or the other one (I cant be bothered spelling his name) drop a cross. I have no respect for these players because they fail to prepare. They are absolute assholes.

I agree,  this is the kind of player you end up with though if you 'insist' on having 'technically superior' players over players who have a bit of grit but might not be as technical. We have bizarrely got ourself into believing we need a ball playing centre back or keeper, instead of one who is a bit more basic and stops the ball going in the net. As a club we have spent ages over complicating a simple game! Our position is because we became wedded to this stupid style, the stupid kind of players that you 'need' to have and the silly wages their agents demand because the player 'think' they have made it. We agree for a fan the better player is one who performs but for snotty nosed gimp like Rudkin the better player is the one who can complete a pass to a fellow centre back

[CosbehFox]

4 hours ago, Glovermagic555 said:

I've touted Nathan Jones at Charlton. He's also got plenty of experience and had proven success with Luton

And his time at Stoke (a club with similar situation to ourselves?) and his mental breakdown? 

[Foxdiamond]

9 minutes ago, Foxin_Mad said:

I agree,  this is the kind of player you end up with though if you 'insist' on having 'technically superior' players over players who have a bit of grit but might not be as technical. We have bizarrely got ourself into believing we need a ball playing centre back or keeper, instead of one who is a bit more basic and stops the ball going in the net. As a club we have spent ages over complicating a simple game! Our position is because we became wedded to this stupid style, the stupid kind of players that you 'need' to have and the silly wages their agents demand because the player 'think' they have made it. We agree for a fan the better player is one who performs but for snotty nosed gimp like Rudkin the better player is the one who can complete a pass to a fellow centre back

Yep. Get the ball away from our defensive third into the opposition defensive third and get the ball into their net. 

[Samilktray]

5 minutes ago, CosbehFox said:

And his time at Stoke (a club with similar situation to ourselves?) and his mental breakdown? 

And he seems like a complete weirdo 

[CosbehFox]

Just now, Samilktray said:

And he seems like a complete weirdo 

He most certainly is (sorry God, please don't strike me down)

[oldbluefox]

4 minutes ago, Foxdiamond said:

Yep. Get the ball away from our defensive third into the opposition defensive third and get the ball into their net. 

But that doesn't wind our crowd up half as much as getting the ball to the bye line then passing it back to the half way line or the goalminder (def not a keeper!) passing the ball to one of their forwards or our defence totally clueless what to do with it and end up losing it.

How will we cope if they start getting the ball into their net instead of ours.

[Gazza M]

Going to be the Brussell. I am mentally resigned to that. Another load of shite this club will accumulate under these owners in an attempt to play like Pep in the 2010's. 

[Foxdiamond]

7 minutes ago, Gazza M said:

Going to be the Brussell. I am mentally resigned to that. Another load of shite this club will accumulate under these owners in an attempt to play like Pep in the 2010's. 

Obsessed with Pep and ignoring our own counter style of 2015 16 

[Pliskin]

Brussel would only entertain league one if he was being paid a wedge, even though he’s been a ****ing disaster pretty much everywhere. So, it would show the board have learned nothing in terms of finances. 

[LcFc_Smiv]

https://youtu.be/6vBnZJo-7f8?si=gTAM8HqYE11PeoH9

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/live/cvg0yl5x72gt#Report

 

Go and get this man, he is exactly what we need at this moment in time.

[SemperEadem]

3 minutes ago, LcFc_Smiv said:

https://youtu.be/6vBnZJo-7f8?si=gTAM8HqYE11PeoH9

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/live/cvg0yl5x72gt#Report

 

Go and get this man, he is exactly what we need at this moment in time.

Talk to me about his time at Barnsley? A success?

[ClaphamFox]

3 minutes ago, Pliskin said:

Brussel would only entertain league one if he was being paid a wedge, even though he’s been a ****ing disaster pretty much everywhere. So, it would show the board have learned nothing in terms of finances. 

It would not only show the board have learned nothing in terms of finances, but also that they've learned nothing about why things have gone so badly wrong for us on the pitch. I mean I get why people are very cynical about Top and Rudkin, but appointing Martin now would be suicidal given the position we're in and the mood of the fanbase. This assumption that we'll choose Martin because "we're incapable of learning anything and Top and Rudkin are so stupid" etc feels a little overdone to me.

[StanSP]

We need some hard bastards back in the squad. 

 

We lack so much aggression and fight (not with the fans...) and physicality. We're massive pushovers right now. Mentally and physically we bow out with a whimper. 

 

Get some fvckers back in that don't take any shit. 

 

Wasilewski a prime example back in 2013/14. 

 

 

[LcFc_Smiv]

7 minutes ago, SemperEadem said:

Talk to me about his time at Barnsley? A success?

He came in as I left so I never got to live what he talks but the club wasn't in a great place when he arrived. A former colleague said his impact was massive and all he changed was to reintroduce basic standards that those before him had ignored or let slip, nothing exciting or groundbreaking but be on time, do the right thing, treat people with respect etc. Through that I think they got back to being more what a Barnsley team is, or at least ones the fans recognised, having a bit of grit and  fight and for the fans and that was probably their last 'succesful' season. I know a lot of them dont like him for how quickly he jumped at the Swansea opportunity and you could suggest his sides haven't been great on the pitch since then. I just think we need someone to rip the current culture to shreds.

[RichardGearman]

2 hours ago, Blue ROI said:

They would have appointed him before now if they could but they now know it would only highlight their incompetence further by doing so.

 

The fact that there was such heightened security around the ground last week means they can't afford any more obvious slip ups.

 

That doesn't mean they will make the right appointment. I'd be shocked if they did but RussMart is a no go area 

I dunno, the analogy i was thinking of when you're at uni and meet a lass, she's a looker but you're on different paths and never really interact. You get a career, you get married, have kids, mortgage, all going cushty, until one day it all ends, you end up in huge debt having lost your job, have to move back in with the parents and then one night you're in the boozer and you see that lass from years ago, you get cracking on and before you know it, you realised you were made for eachother  you're in a relationship, step dad to 3 kids, you eventually clear your debts and you get back on track and lifes good again.

 

That might be what russell martin is. 

[UniFox21]

22 minutes ago, StanSP said:

We need some hard bastards back in the squad. 

 

We lack so much aggression and fight (not with the fans...) and physicality. We're massive pushovers right now. Mentally and physically we bow out with a whimper. 

 

Get some fvckers back in that don't take any shit. 

 

Wasilewski a prime example back in 2013/14. 

 

 

I'd offer to keep Lascelles if he was interested in a lowish wage, then dot in some absolute pricks to play against (not Wayne Brown type, a Huth/Wasilewski), someone who isn't going to take shit from team mates or opponents 

[AjcW]

4 minutes ago, UniFox21 said:

I'd offer to keep Lascelles if he was interested in a lowish wage, then dot in some absolute pricks to play against (not Wayne Brown type, a Huth/Wasilewski), someone who isn't going to take shit from team mates or opponents 

I don’t think keeping him will be difficult. Hes back in Notts and happily sailing his way to retirement, and gets a chance to help us rebuild and seems the sort of character that would like that. 

[South Shire Fox]

Thought Martin turned us down this season? Why would he come here when we’re in an even worse position? 😂

[splinterdream]

Why can the club not think outside the box, it's tiresome.

This is why people want KP out

[goose2010]

29 minutes ago, South Shire Fox said:

Thought Martin turned us down this season? Why would he come here when we’re in an even worse position? 😂

Because nobody else would touch him with a barge pole ?

[LCFCCHRIS]

1 hour ago, StanSP said:

We need some hard bastards back in the squad. 

 

We lack so much aggression and fight (not with the fans...) and physicality. We're massive pushovers right now. Mentally and physically we bow out with a whimper. 

 

Get some fvckers back in that don't take any shit. 

 

Wasilewski a prime example back in 2013/14. 

 

 

Especially without VAR. The odd elbow doesn't get noticed.