How do we resolve the fan divide issue

[bovril]

Would help if people were less culture war-y about it, like the coffee flasks stuff. But then again the pro KP crowd seem pretty far gone so not sure it'd make much of a difference. It's not that dissimilar to a lot of the divides that exist in wider society particularly as it's exacerbated by social media. 

[Tommy G]

Steve Robertshaw is a bell pass it on 

[Guest worth_the_wait]

10 minutes ago, SecretPro said:

Think this is a one major thing being overlooked. The complete lack of communication and honesty from those at the top has the whole fan base basically guessing the state of everything and never really knowing the truth. That means everybody is going to draw their own conclusions and form their own opinions on who's to blame, if anyone. The lack of coherence within the club has led to a lack of coherence off it. 

 

Honestly, the most unforgivable thing in this whole debacle is the disgusting, and I mean absolutely disgusting lack of communication, honesty, integrity and transparency from everyone at the club, top to bottom, including Top, Rudkin, players, ex players. The silence has been deafening. The evidential omerta that exists at the club with people that matter to fans being literally unable to say what they think is grim, pathetic, cowardly, disgusting. 

I'm glad someone has posted this.  Because it's absolutely 100% true.

 

None of us fans, and I mean absolutely none of us, really knows exactly what's been going on.    The running of the Club is the most secretive I've ever known.   As as you rightly say, we're all drawing our own conclusions or just guessing.   And then running with it, with hatred for our fellow fans if they dare disagree.

 

The only thing I know for certain, is that we are a horribly divided fan base, and that actually worries me (and upsets me) - even more than the crap Club officials/managers and players.    I don't know what the answer is - and judging from the number of posters in this thread doubling-down on their opinions - it's not going to improve any time soon.

 

[fazzyfox]

It's one thing to say we can have different opinions just get on with it but the aggression and abuse that comes with it makes the matchday experience less and less enjoyable (and that's before you factor in the actual football!) 

 

I join in a "Rudkin out" song (not the sick ones wishing death on him) or criticise Mavididi "He's done nothing again, get him off" and the KP supporters don't just defend him but throw in insults, "Who's going to replace him you idiot", "How do you know the next one will be any better you t**t", "F*** off you moron", "Don't come then you *****" etc. I calmly say "Do you think he's used the budget well, do you think Skipp is a good signing, did we need to give Decordova-Reid 3 years? Do you want him choosing our next signings?" etc and they can't defend it.

They may be perceived as meek but a lot of them are as toxic and aggressive as the so called negative ones once you criticise their mates John and Top. They want things to stay as they are and they have done and now look where we've arrived at.

 

As I say I do try calm dialogue, their response is that they daren't risk change change in case it gets worse with the next lot. I can accept their position although I disagree with it but tone down the personal abuse.

In return I will retract my description of the clapper at the end of the Oxford match as being "Mutton Headed", not a physical characteristic reference just a suggestion that his brain can't be made of the same stuff most human's brains are made of  It was just a shock reaction of mine to seeing something very very bizarre but I'm used to it now and just shake my head at them.

 

As for outside of the match days, the online stuff, less so here more the Facebook pages where the very very casual follower goes all matter of fact .....I felt obliged to correct one that stated "we are in our rightful place, we've spent years floating between the 2nd and 3rd tiers". I politely pointed out we've had one year out of 140+ plus in tier 3 and someone took offence to that comment! It's a fact not an opinion and I haven't even tried to further enhance or dress it up, short of knocking off the war years it's the only truth!

[LCFCJohn]

1 hour ago, fazzyfox said:

It's one thing to say we can have different opinions just get on with it but the aggression and abuse that comes with it makes the matchday experience less and less enjoyable (and that's before you factor in the actual football!) 

 

I join in a "Rudkin out" song (not the sick ones wishing death on him) or criticise Mavididi "He's done nothing again, get him off" and the KP supporters don't just defend him but throw in insults, "Who's going to replace him you idiot", "How do you know the next one will be any better you t**t", "F*** off you moron", "Don't come then you *****" etc. I calmly say "Do you think he's used the budget well, do you think Skipp is a good signing, did we need to give Decordova-Reid 3 years? Do you want him choosing our next signings?" etc and they can't defend it.

They may be perceived as meek but a lot of them are as toxic and aggressive as the so called negative ones once you criticise their mates John and Top. They want things to stay as they are and they have done and now look where we've arrived at.

 

As I say I do try calm dialogue, their response is that they daren't risk change change in case it gets worse with the next lot. I can accept their position although I disagree with it but tone down the personal abuse.

In return I will retract my description of the clapper at the end of the Oxford match as being "Mutton Headed", not a physical characteristic reference just a suggestion that his brain can't be made of the same stuff most human's brains are made of  It was just a shock reaction of mine to seeing something very very bizarre but I'm used to it now and just shake my head at them.

 

As for outside of the match days, the online stuff, less so here more the Facebook pages where the very very casual follower goes all matter of fact .....I felt obliged to correct one that stated "we are in our rightful place, we've spent years floating between the 2nd and 3rd tiers". I politely pointed out we've had one year out of 140+ plus in tier 3 and someone took offence to that comment! It's a fact not an opinion and I haven't even tried to further enhance or dress it up, short of knocking off the war years it's the only truth!

Absolutely spot on. The aggression and abuse is so sad and honestly shows the fanbase is beyond repair. The only answers are KP selling and them drifting off or a phoenix club.

 

On your last few lines, it’s amazing how they will literally make stuff up. If you don’t mind me asking, what was said back to you? How on earth did that cause offence? 

[Pliskin]

2 hours ago, fazzyfox said:

It's one thing to say we can have different opinions just get on with it but the aggression and abuse that comes with it makes the matchday experience less and less enjoyable (and that's before you factor in the actual football!) 

 

I join in a "Rudkin out" song (not the sick ones wishing death on him) or criticise Mavididi "He's done nothing again, get him off" and the KP supporters don't just defend him but throw in insults, "Who's going to replace him you idiot", "How do you know the next one will be any better you t**t", "F*** off you moron", "Don't come then you *****" etc. I calmly say "Do you think he's used the budget well, do you think Skipp is a good signing, did we need to give Decordova-Reid 3 years? Do you want him choosing our next signings?" etc and they can't defend it.

They may be perceived as meek but a lot of them are as toxic and aggressive as the so called negative ones once you criticise their mates John and Top. They want things to stay as they are and they have done and now look where we've arrived at.

 

As I say I do try calm dialogue, their response is that they daren't risk change change in case it gets worse with the next lot. I can accept their position although I disagree with it but tone down the personal abuse.

In return I will retract my description of the clapper at the end of the Oxford match as being "Mutton Headed", not a physical characteristic reference just a suggestion that his brain can't be made of the same stuff most human's brains are made of  It was just a shock reaction of mine to seeing something very very bizarre but I'm used to it now and just shake my head at them.

 

As for outside of the match days, the online stuff, less so here more the Facebook pages where the very very casual follower goes all matter of fact .....I felt obliged to correct one that stated "we are in our rightful place, we've spent years floating between the 2nd and 3rd tiers". I politely pointed out we've had one year out of 140+ plus in tier 3 and someone took offence to that comment! It's a fact not an opinion and I haven't even tried to further enhance or dress it up, short of knocking off the war years it's the only truth!

Unfortunately I’m not calm, nor am I rational, and I use the word cųnt far too much, but I’m fully aware that I’m a cųnt myself, so I’m at peace with it. 
 

Plus if I say something hurty to someone, I’m more than happy for someone to say something hurty back.  

[Qwerty]

The fans turning on each other on FoxesTalk has been really depressing.  I don’t know why it has to happen.  Can’t people accept that everyone deals with anger and disappointment in different ways?

 

I'm furious with Top, Rudkin etc for what they’ve done.  I’ve been immensely frustrated at the stupidity of their decisions, and their inertia when it comes to fixing problems.  And as well as feeling angry, I’m really sad that the club I’ve supported for decades (and introduced my kids to) has entered such a dark phase.

 

But I don’t boo players.  It’s just not in my nature.  Shouting and screaming is not the way I express anger.  No doubt many of you on here would see my apparent calm demeanour at a match and put me in the “KPFC happy clapper” category, just because I wasn’t letting a stream of swear words fly out of my mouth.  But it doesn’t mean I’m not just as angry as anyone. 

 

Ironically Top and his cronies would be very happy to hear that the fans are tearing each other apart.  It takes the heat off them, if the fans are busy fighting each other.   I think fans should accept that we’re all massively pissed off about this situation, but that we express it in different ways. 
 

 

[woznotwos]

Cov fans apparently. 

[BigGibbo]

We don't. There's nothing going on upstairs for most of them and if/when we end up in administration and Top bails on us, they will claim (and probably genuinely believe) they were on our side all along. It's a totally pointless task trying to think for them.

 

Bees don't waste their time explaining to flies why honey is better than shit.

[SemperEadem]

8 hours ago, woznotwos said:

Cov fans apparently. 

It’s AI of a years old UFS banner.

[LeePhilpottsBaldSpot]

I find the fan divide and confirmation bias one of the most troubling things.

 

I have a stressful job and brilliant but exhausting young family. I go down to the football primarily to catch up with my mates and have fun. My natural instinct is to encourage our players.

 

I feel like if I'm not a doomsday miserable bastard with one of the very few activities I do for myself, I'm dismissed as a "KPFC". I don't live in Leicester so get to about five games per season, and recently it's felt like a lot of fans dedicate their time at the match to constantly slagging everybody off. 

 

For completeness: I want Rudkin out. I want Top to sell. I have been kept up at night by concerns about the club's future. But I still want to enjoy myself, catch up with mates and support our football team.

 

Is that such a bad thing?

[Trav Le Bleu]

The whole KPFC thing is like "woke".

 

People get tarred with the "woke" brush for any little expression of environmental concern or acceptance of people. Almost no one would call themselves "woke", it's almost exclusively used as a pejorative. 

 

The same is true of KPFC. Nobody would describe themselves as a KPFC fan. 100% not one single person in the stadium (with the exception of Top and anyone in his entourage) is there to support KP - they are there to support Leicester City (or the away team of course).

 

It's just a lazy trope that is easy to beat people over the head with.

Edited 23 April by Trav Le Bleu

[LCFCJohn]

This subject has been troubling me more than relegation itself.

 

I have seen some of the posts and subsequent comments across various Facebook groups and the answer is it won’t be fixed. This fan base is too broken now.

 

The ownership debate has become too divisive. It may over the course of many many years ease if KP sell and people move on. 
 

The only other way is a phoenix club and each fan group going separate ways. It’s bitter hatred to the extent city rivals are. It’s madness. 

[MattFox]

9 hours ago, Trav Le Bleu said:

The whole KPFC thing is like "woke".

 

People get tarred with the "woke" brush for any little expression of environmental concern or acceptance of people. Almost no one would call themselves "woke", it's almost exclusively used as a pejorative. 

 

The same is true of KPFC. Nobody would describe themselves as a KPFC fan. 100% not one single person in the stadium (with the exception of Top and anyone in his entourage) is there to support KP - they are there to support Leicester City (or the away team of course).

 

It's just a lazy trope that is easy to beat people over the head with.

There’s clearly a section of the fanbase though that sees king power as an integral part of the club and can’t envision a club without them

 

Several occasions this season where fans have literally drawn fists in defence of Aiyawatt

Edited 23 April by MattFox

[SemperEadem]

Sadly I really feel it can’t. 

[Paninistickers]

9 hours ago, Trav Le Bleu said:

The whole KPFC thing is like "woke".

 

People get tarred with the "woke" brush for any little expression of environmental concern or acceptance of people. Almost no one would call themselves "woke", it's almost exclusively used as a pejorative. 

 

The same is true of KPFC. Nobody would describe themselves as a KPFC fan. 100% not one single person in the stadium (with the exception of Top and anyone in his entourage) is there to support KP - they are there to support Leicester City (or the away team of course).

 

It's just a lazy trope that is easy to beat people over the head with.

You're both right and wrong.

 

I don't think they are KP fans. But neither are they suitable to be authentic City fans. 

 

Just a tiny example. There was some bird behind the goal who got genuinely animated when the ref slowed down a goal kick..In a meaningless phase of the first half in a meaningless game. The point? Football is pantomime for these people..

 

Boo the baddies! (The ref, the opposition, Ayew) Cheer the goodies! (Our players, except Ayew) ....this isn't football culture. This isn't support. And this ultra childish behaviour has directly contributed to destroying the club. 

 

 

 

 

[Stadt]

12 minutes ago, Paninistickers said:

You're both right and wrong.

 

I don't think they are KP fans. But neither are they suitable to be authentic City fans. 

 

Just a tiny example. There was some bird behind the goal who got genuinely animated when the ref slowed down a goal kick..In a meaningless phase of the first half in a meaningless game. The point? Football is pantomime for these people..

 

Boo the baddies! (The ref, the opposition, Ayew) Cheer the goodies! (Our players, except Ayew) ....this isn't football culture. This isn't support. And this ultra childish behaviour has directly contributed to destroying the club. 

 

 

 

 

There are plenty of people who are more upset at well reasoned Anti-KP sentiment than the idea of going down again in the most embarrassing relegation yet.

 

They absolutely are KPFC fans, they can’t imagine a Leicester City without him, probably because despite all their “wot are u a glory hunter!” claims they’re projecting because they didn’t follow us before - they couldn’t actually imagine what it was like.

[Great Boos Up]

Having been banned for the season for waving a Cambodia flag ( just the season) apparently it’s inciting racial hatred on a long list of terms and conditions on a ticket sale which I suppose is true. I like the idea of supporting the team and duck tape the king power logo off the shirt. We can then show sanitised support for Leicester City and not King Power FC. Some humility is needed by Top and he’ll have to bail money in, which I think he will do. It sets a tone of we support Leicester City and not King Power 

[Patrick]

21 hours ago, BigGibbo said:

We don't. There's nothing going on upstairs for most of them and if/when we end up in administration and Top bails on us, they will claim (and probably genuinely believe) they were on our side all along. It's a totally pointless task trying to think for them.

 

Bees don't waste their time explaining to flies why honey is better than shit.

They won't, they'll just blame COVID or the fact that we had to comply with PSR (just like every other club). Some of them will even point the finger at us anti-KP fans for 'making the atmosphere toxic' and 'not getting behind the lads when it mattered'. They are naturally obedient people who see anyone with more money and power than them and automatically think that they must bow down to them. It's the same mentality behind them clapping the players off the pitch no matter what too. 

[sdb]

Most of the King Power In brigade will be dead in 10 years. Might just have to wait it out until then 

[Foxin_Mad]

10 hours ago, LeePhilpottsBaldSpot said:

I find the fan divide and confirmation bias one of the most troubling things.

 

I have a stressful job and brilliant but exhausting young family. I go down to the football primarily to catch up with my mates and have fun. My natural instinct is to encourage our players.

 

I feel like if I'm not a doomsday miserable bastard with one of the very few activities I do for myself, I'm dismissed as a "KPFC". I don't live in Leicester so get to about five games per season, and recently it's felt like a lot of fans dedicate their time at the match to constantly slagging everybody off. 

 

For completeness: I want Rudkin out. I want Top to sell. I have been kept up at night by concerns about the club's future. But I still want to enjoy myself, catch up with mates and support our football team.

 

Is that such a bad thing?

I’m genuinely interested to see what people are backing and supporting? I am all for backing or supporting but the players, the team have to give ‘something’, effort is the bare minimum. When I see people like Mavididi absolutely stealing a living and the defence conceding another set piece with zonal marking, shrugging their shoulders and pointing at each other, or another kamikaze session of playing out from the back. I struggle with blind faith with absolutely nothing in return. I think everyone should be able to acknowledge these players have let us down as fans. I could get the clapping if the team was lacking in quality and went down fighting, but they have literally waved the white flag and rolled over.,
 

If I am honest I’d love to see something that gets me excited, some players fighting for the badge, maybe some players who don’t think they are superior to me. Maybe a team with that identity instead of a team full of feckless mercenaries brings people back together?

[hebangsthedrums]

Agree with those who say it will take a very long time if ever resolved. 

Partly because it feels the pro KP fans are so entrenched that even if they did leave, there would be a 'you forced them out' accusations at the anti side. 

Plus should they ever leave, they would always be used as a reference point - we do badly 'see we told you KP were the heroes', we do well 'would be doing better uned KP'.

 

Personally I hope logic prevails and over time admitting you continued to back them would be one of those things people are embarrassed to admit like you voted reform or read the daily mail.

Some of the less indoctrinated might sway to that but I think many are in too deep

[VLC86]

The Facebook comments to the Trust statement says it all, it’s all a bit weird isn’t it.

 

[Blue ROI]

Is there anything to be said for swapping the kop and the family stand?

 

Edited 23 April by Blue ROI

[Gazza M]

10 minutes ago, sdb said:

Most of the King Power In brigade will be dead in 10 years. Might just have to wait it out until then 

Sad but true.