England vs Argentina - Weds 15th July - 20.00 (BST)

[Kitchandro]

8 hours ago, Chris_OGrady said:

Agreed, in Qatar we actually looked good. Also a bit unlucky with Rooney getting injured in the Portugal game in 2004. He was in the form of his life and killed our momentum 

The disallowed Campbell goals in our Euro 2004 and France exits were a disgrace. Those were the unlucky ones, maybe the 2 semi-final exits to the Germans cos we kept hitting the post and played quite well.

 

Even with some questionable refereeing we weren’t unlucky against France in 2022, we conceded a sloppy goal and Kane skied his penalty. Again, mentality.

[Dan]

15 hours ago, FoxesWalk said:

The players mentality with a lead against a good side is unchanged compared to under Southgate. For all their talk they suddenly lose belief. That happened 20 mins before Tuchel made any subs. His subs are reacting to that loss of mentality from the players in my opinion. 

I've kind of come around to thinking this as well. That being said I don't think Tuchel did the right thing either - and more just facilitated the downfall rather than arrested it. So he is still at fault.

[Kitchandro]

It can be both the manager and the players’ fault. We’ve seen that with Leicester.

 

There is definitely a poor mentality in English football culture that has outlived any single player or coach. A lack of character, desire and togetherness. 

 

But there’s no defending Tuchel last night. If Kane and Bellingham or whoever were dropping too deep he should have hauled them off and brought on players with strict instructions to press Argentina at the half way line.

[Super_horns]

Tuchel obviously didn’t trust any of the attackers on the bench to come on and help the team at all .’

 

Preferring to flood the defence and give up possession and territorial advantages in the hope we would hold on or maybe make more positive changes in extra time .

[leicsmac]

8 hours ago, Stuntman_Mike said:

The hate England get from all angles is actually quite draining.

 

Apart from the obvious, we're disliked by some of our own population and as you say, people who live here who should show more respect imo.

 

7 hours ago, HP1 said:

 

I work in an industry with a lot of people from overseas and the amount of negative connotations I hear about England and the culture here is at least mildly disrespectful. 

 

If I chose to live in another country I would never repeat such rhetoric to natives of that country. Its basic common courtesy.

 

7 hours ago, bovril said:

Having lived abroad for much of my adult life I can assure there is nobody worse for this than the English. 

Legacy of the past, more's the pity.

 

It appears that there are many who don't want to let bygones be bygones, on all sides of that one.

[Finnegan]

10 hours ago, HP1 said:

Fair enough. I can only speak as to how I behave abroad, in comparison to the anglophobic attitudes i see from a certain percentage of those from overseas who choose to live here.

 

I also doubt you would get English fans in Italy for example, jeering the locals in a bar after another heart wrenching defeat.

 

I don't think I've ever, ever encountered anyone in this country who is Anglophobic or genuinely abusive about Brits?

 

I work in a really culturally and ethnically diverse organisation, I've worked with loads of people who aren't from the UK, I lived for a significant majority of my life in areas of Leicester where Brits were the minority and I've never encountered any kind of racism or bigotry or Anglophobia towards British people? I've always found attitudes from migrants to be pretty positive tbh.

 

But I think we as Brits take the piss rampantly out of basically everyone, every culture, every country, we do it all the time don't we? I think in fairness we also take the piss out of ourselves and I think we generally expect to get it back? I think we're better than the Americans at this. The Americans dish it out but get VERY uppity about getting it back but I think as Brits we're far more give-and-take?

 

Granted there's a small handful of use who are apparently like you and have the thinnest skin in the world but I don't think you speak for the majority of us frankly. I certainly hope you don't.

 

[Chris_OGrady]

I love the hate England get in football. It's really missing from supporting Leicester. If you're not hated you're likely to be a bit tinpot. 

 

That Argentina game was the first game of the world cup that felt like there was a bit of bite/atmosphere. All the other games have been shrines to a pre season happy clapper fest at the KP

Edited yesterday at 09:48 by Chris_OGrady

[bovril]

The English really are the Liverpool fans of international football 

[HP1]

1 hour ago, Finnegan said:

 

I don't think I've ever, ever encountered anyone in this country who is Anglophobic or genuinely abusive about Brits?

 

I work in a really culturally and ethnically diverse organisation, I've worked with loads of people who aren't from the UK, I lived for a significant majority of my life in areas of Leicester where Brits were the minority and I've never encountered any kind of racism or bigotry or Anglophobia towards British people? I've always found attitudes from migrants to be pretty positive tbh.

 

But I think we as Brits take the piss rampantly out of basically everyone, every culture, every country, we do it all the time don't we? I think in fairness we also take the piss out of ourselves and I think we generally expect to get it back? I think we're better than the Americans at this. The Americans dish it out but get VERY uppity about getting it back but I think as Brits we're far more give-and-take?

 

Granted there's a small handful of use who are apparently like you and have the thinnest skin in the world but I don't think you speak for the majority of us frankly. I certainly hope you don't.

 

Firstly im specifically talking about English not British, hence the word "anglophobe". There is an obvious difference that I didn't think I would have to point out.

 

Secondly, you can't make a needless remark about having thin skin when you haven't seen and heard what I have. Maybe you are fine and well with having others trapse their dirty feet on your carpet, but maybe you haven't experienced what I have, but thats on you to determine and not to project on to me.

[gerblod]

12 hours ago, Jaspa said:

I was shouting at the screen that someone should have been running down his throat. Instead he had all the time necessary to set himself up for the shot. It's galling when you see other teams maintaining the discipline to have two lines defending - whereas here they seem to think they're defending a corner. Maybe it's because the 'big' Premier teams are so packed with foreign players that do know what they're doing that, without them, our boys are lost. That's the big mistake English football has made - selling out to the TV concerns, who only want the football which attracts subscriptions. Foreign players make up c. 70% of Premier squads - it's no wonder kids affiliated to Premier clubs don't get a look in. My sister's grandson has not long signed a professional contract with a big London team (he's been with them since he was eight). I'm waiting to see if he gets a first team game or gets sold to a Championship side. 

There's a link between the failures of our national side and this one-sided employment of foreign players. Maybe this is ehy German national teams are getting less successful.  

At present 15 Argentine players belong to Premier clubs. 

[bovril]

23 minutes ago, HP1 said:

Firstly im specifically talking about English not British, hence the word "anglophobe". There is an obvious difference that I didn't think I would have to point out.

 

Secondly, you can't make a needless remark about having thin skin when you haven't seen and heard what I have. Maybe you are fine and well with having others trapse their dirty feet on your carpet, but maybe you haven't experienced what I have, but thats on you to determine and not to project on to me.

I've hard these kind of complaints in literally every country I've spent significant time in, even in countries with relatively small immigrant populations. Maybe some truth in it, but it's not something I've really seen or heard beyond hoping sports teams lose.

[Finnegan]

34 minutes ago, HP1 said:

Firstly im specifically talking about English not British, hence the word "anglophobe". There is an obvious difference that I didn't think I would have to point out.

 

Secondly, you can't make a needless remark about having thin skin when you haven't seen and heard what I have. Maybe you are fine and well with having others trapse their dirty feet on your carpet, but maybe you haven't experienced what I have, but thats on you to determine and not to project on to me.

 

OK. Alright.

 

Yeah, I can read between the lines pal.

 

[Thommo]

45 minutes ago, gerblod said:

I was shouting at the screen that someone should have been running down his throat. Instead he had all the time necessary to set himself up for the shot. It's galling when you see other teams maintaining the discipline to have two lines defending - whereas here they seem to think they're defending a corner. Maybe it's because the 'big' Premier teams are so packed with foreign players that do know what they're doing that, without them, our boys are lost. That's the big mistake English football has made - selling out to the TV concerns, who only want the football which attracts subscriptions. Foreign players make up c. 70% of Premier squads - it's no wonder kids affiliated to Premier clubs don't get a look in. My sister's grandson has not long signed a professional contract with a big London team (he's been with them since he was eight). I'm waiting to see if he gets a first team game or gets sold to a Championship side. 

There's a link between the failures of our national side and this one-sided employment of foreign players. Maybe this is ehy German national teams are getting less successful.  

At present 15 Argentine players belong to Premier clubs. 

The England teams failures have been happening long before foreign players playing in the premier league. If you grew up in the 70s and 80s you'd remember this. 

[Foxes1]

[st albans fox]

England players are petrified of making the mistake that costs us 

so they go into hiding 

wont show for the ball or the second pass 

And our keeper isn’t confident enough with his feet to take the pressure off the receiver 

 

We generally do better chasing the game for that reason - we don’t want to be pressed 

 

the weight of history still weighs too heavy on that shirt.  The coach has to change that mentality of fear. Southgate had a good go at it and our loss to Spain in euro 24 was because they were just too good for us.  But events in 2021 and 2018 did for Gareth. 

 

tuchel failed to help on Wednesday evening - he had the second half drinks break to get into their heads but he couldnt do it. And then he doubled down on their fear with the 72 min sub. 

[foxfanazer]

I do also think we wildly overrate most of our players. Heard people comparing Anderson and Rice to Gerrard and Lampard after the Croatia game

[murphy]

On 16/07/2026 at 08:27, Livid said:

Well my only silver lining was at 80 minutes Argentina were 14/1 to win and I had a few quid on as I just expected the inevitable. 

I wish I'd thought of that!

[South Shire Fox]

2 hours ago, foxfanazer said:

I do also think we wildly overrate most of our players. Heard people comparing Anderson and Rice to Gerrard and Lampard after the Croatia game

Thats the media. England has 2 World class players.. Harry Kane and Jude Bellingham. Probably the worst squad weve taken to a tournament since 2016 imo

Edited 18 hours ago by South Shire Fox

[South Shire Fox]

19 hours ago, Ian Nacho said:

Also, I find people that either live in England or worked in England that seem to enjoy England's failure's particularly strange. For example, if I lived in France, of course England would still be number one but I'd still want France to do well so long as it wasn't England. 

I work in a diverse workplace with a lot of Eastern Europeans and Africans and we all watched the game at work the other night. Every single one wanted England to win.
 

The only people i encounter that hate the English football team are the Scottish and Irish which i have no issue whatsoever as to them we are their big rivals. Its when you have the Celtic scumbags in Scotland and Ireland who take it past sporting rivalry and just hate anything English is where it goes too far

Edited 18 hours ago by South Shire Fox

[bovril]

I feel like I can smell Javier Millei's unwashed hair from here

[Muzzy_no7]

The 31 dirty tricks article by The Telegraph is quite good but it fails to highlight the key ingredients for the defeat; Tuchels post 55th minute tactics and English mentality.

 

Gonna take ages to get over this one.

[Raj]

Only one major win and that was on home soil( VAR would probably have annulled " that" goal too🤣🤣.

Pretty hopeless  when you look atvEnglands history and talent pool.

 

This REALLY could have been the one, Argies were given a Get put of jail card and they took it.

[Corky]

Wasn't any manager hired brought in to win the competition? Would Eddie Howe get a pass for reaching the quarter-finals because he is English?

 

I don't think you can have a go at the FA for going all out to try and win it with Tuchel.

[JonnyZeroFox]

Spain need to stuff them, I despise Argentina with their silly antics and getting away with pretty much everything… 

[coolhandfox]

To be honest England where pretty poor for the majority of the tournament, dragging thought must of the knock games by Bellingham and dogged defending.

 

Edited 16 hours ago by coolhandfox