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What grinds my gears...

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ozleicester

ozleicester

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22 minutes ago, MattP said:

If what we hear is true half of these people end up being sanctioned because they can't get to an appointment or interview on time despite having the whole day free. We would all love to live in a perfect World where everyone is equal and a blind, deaf, one armed gorilla with learning difficulties could do the odd bit of open heart surgery to help out but it's just not realistic.

 

If someone is in the dole queue, they probably aren't capable of being a Doctor.

If you believe all you hear, then i understand you would think this way.

 

Ive met many people who have spent time on the dole who have gone on to very impressive careers.

 

Ive spent 4 of the past 5 years working with, GP's, Specialists and the health industry at all levels from Government through to charities, and i can assure you, many of the people who are currently doctors, certainly shouldnt be and there are many people capable of doing the job, who are being prevented because tertiary education has been priced out of their reach.A good friend of mine who spent some time on the dole is now one of the areas most successful and skilled midwives.

 

The stupid parroting of "daily mail dole stories" is embarrassing for anyone with any intellect.

 

 

 

 

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Innovindil

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19 minutes ago, ozleicester said:

If you believe all you hear, then i understand you would think this way.

 

Ive met many people who have spent time on the dole who have gone on to very impressive careers.

 

Ive spent 4 of the past 5 years working with, GP's, Specialists and the health industry at all levels from Government through to charities, and i can assure you, many of the people who are currently doctors, certainly shouldnt be and there are many people capable of doing the job, who are being prevented because tertiary education has been priced out of their reach.A good friend of mine who spent some time on the dole is now one of the areas most successful and skilled midwives.

 

The stupid parroting of "daily mail dole stories" is embarrassing for anyone with any intellect.

 

 

 

 

Jesus christ wake up and smell the coffee. The exceptions you met are not the general rule of thumb. The majority in the dole line are either single parents, drug addicts, drunks, lazy, suffer some form of disability limiting their suitability to work or just people of mediocre intelligence. 

 

Not everybody is equal. Despite what keeps being parading about, whilst a few people intelligent enough to be a doctor/nurse might indeed fall through the net and end up in the dole line, it is certainly far from the norm. 

 

Pretending otherwise is ridiculously delusional. 

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Bryn

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I think a few people here need it clarifying that a paramedic can't leave until a nurse is available to take a safe handover of the patient, if the nurse is already looking after 20 people in the corridor, he or she cannot take another patient.

 

 

5 hours ago, ozleicester said:

If you believe all you hear, then i understand you would think this way.

 

Ive met many people who have spent time on the dole who have gone on to very impressive careers.

 

Ive spent 4 of the past 5 years working with, GP's, Specialists and the health industry at all levels from Government through to charities, and i can assure you, many of the people who are currently doctors, certainly shouldnt be and there are many people capable of doing the job, who are being prevented because tertiary education has been priced out of their reach.A good friend of mine who spent some time on the dole is now one of the areas most successful and skilled midwives.

 

The stupid parroting of "daily mail dole stories" is embarrassing for anyone with any intellect.

 

 

 

 

 

I understand the point you are trying to make but the majority of people who are -persistently- on benefits are not suitable to be a doctor or nurse, for a variety of reasons.

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The Doctor

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6 hours ago, Innovindil said:

Have you seen the dole line? Do they look capable of being doctors and nurses to you? 

 

The solution comes from making being a doctor or nurse more appealing. I dare say I probably have the intelligence to become a nurse, but why on earth would I? You have to spend years training (whilst paying for it), all to end up in a long hour, high stress, fairly shite paid job. Not to mention if you mess up in any way you'll be looking at getting sued/losing your license which you spent all that time and money on. You'll have to watch people die on a regularly basis forcing you to embrace your own mortality every day. 

 

Sure on the positive side you'd get to go home thinking you've done your bit and helped people, but does it outweigh the negatives? Not for me I'm afraid. 

 

The only way I'd consider it (or would have back when I was in school) would probably be to see the training given for free, and a giant paycheck at the end of it, with an early retirement and decent pension. 

Because it's impossible for a qualified professional to ever be on the dole - restructuring redundancies, severe illnesses etc are just figments of peoples imagination...

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Innovindil

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22 minutes ago, The Doctor said:

Because it's impossible for a qualified professional to ever be on the dole - restructuring redundancies, severe illnesses etc are just figments of peoples imagination...

I've repeatedly said the majority, not the whole. Of course there are going to be exceptions. 

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2 minutes ago, Innovindil said:

I've repeatedly said the majority, not the whole. Of course there are going to be exceptions. 

to be frank I'd dispute that it's even the majority - the majority of people on JSA are the short term unemployed.

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Innovindil

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6 minutes ago, The Doctor said:

to be frank I'd dispute that it's even the majority - the majority of people on JSA are the short term unemployed.

Hard to say since the official statistics only start at up to 6 months, which I personally wouldn't consider short term.

 

  • 920,000 people who had been unemployed for up to 6 months, 44,000 fewer than for a year earlier

  • 250,000 people who had been unemployed for between 6 and 12 months, 19,000 fewer than for a year earlier

  • 389,000 people who had been unemployed for over 12 months, 79,000 fewer than for a year earlier

Still a fair whack I'd say.

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Jon the Hat

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1 hour ago, The Doctor said:

Because it's impossible for a qualified professional to ever be on the dole - restructuring redundancies, severe illnesses etc are just figments of peoples imagination...

Well in most cases a qualified professional would receive a sizable redundancy payout which would mean they would not qualify for JSA for a long time, during which period they would likely find work.

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Parafox

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2 hours ago, Bryn said:

I think a few people here need it clarifying that a paramedic can't leave until a nurse is available to take a safe handover of the patient, if the nurse is already looking after 20 people in the corridor, he or she cannot take another patient.

 

 

 

True dat. It is deemed unsafe to leave any patient without a proper clinical handover to another healthcare professional, which means it has to be a qualified nurse rather than a health care assistant, But it comes down to demand and space in the department. You can have a hundred nurses taking handovers but if there's no space to put a patient in then they get stuck on the back of my ambulance, it's like a funnel, so much going in at the top but a trickle at the end,

The new A&E is bigger and better and more modern than the last one but systems and processes haven't changed and I had such hope that it would improve things for my patients and me. It sounds selfish but that delay meant I was 3 hours late finishing work which meant a 14 hour shift a missed meal and family time lost. Add to that the patients family were already 4 hours behind the target time of their mum being seen and admitted/discharged so they will have had a minimum of 8 hours waiting, And 4 hours with patient and relatives in rear of an ambulance soon becomes uncomfortable.

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Bryn

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You haven't felt your heart break til you've assessed a woman your mothers age in ED having had a stroke, a woman not eligible for thrombolysis. She sat there, stricken, barely able to balance herself in the trolley, not even a bed, not even a pillow. Face drooped, arm dangling uselessly. She sat there for about five hours. In the middle of the department for all to see. I quit medicine for sixth months after my A&E placement.

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ozleicester

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4 hours ago, Bryn said:

I think a few people here need it clarifying that a paramedic can't leave until a nurse is available to take a safe handover of the patient, if the nurse is already looking after 20 people in the corridor, he or she cannot take another patient.

 

 

 

I understand the point you are trying to make but the majority of people who are -persistently- on benefits are not suitable to be a doctor or nurse, for a variety of reasons.

Im not suggesting that the majority are... but some definitely are suitable.

 

As you mention, if a nurse is looking after 20 people...then one more nurse means 20 more people are getting looked after rather than stuck outside with the Paras. (who inturn also could be going out and helping other people).

 

This is not a right/wrong political debate...surely EVERYONE  can see that more doctors and nurses is a good thing.

 

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8 hours ago, ozleicester said:

 

 

As you mention, if a nurse is looking after 20 people...then one more nurse means 20 more people are getting looked after rather than stuck outside with the Paras. (who inturn also could be going out and helping other people).

 

This is not a right/wrong political debate...surely EVERYONE  can see that more doctors and nurses is a good thing.

 

It's kind of trying to strike a balance. More doctors in A&E would definitely help as more people could be assessed more quickly and a decision to discharge from A&E made sooner.

That doesn't help the delay for patients needing admission, mostly elderly, many of whom are medically fit for discharge but it's unsafe to go home without social care.

Personally I think a restoration of social care to previous levels will go a long way to alleviating pressures.

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The Blur

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On 03/05/2017 at 17:09, Beliall said:

My daughters cookery teacher. Every week II have to eat some disgusting slop and call it lovely. I should get an oscar. This week it was "carrot cake"

 

How do you know it wasn't your daughter who is mucking up the recipe?   :whistle: 

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Beliall

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21 minutes ago, The Blur said:

 

How do you know it wasn't your daughter who is mucking up the recipe?   :whistle: 

Possible. but still that's why shes there. surely by now she should have brought something edible home. Even if she managed it by accident

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