Alf Bentley Posted 21 February 2014 Posted 21 February 2014 I like it when these longstanding threads come back to haunt us. Some people end up, er, adjusting their stance, while others come up smelling of roses.... Hats off to Thracian, in particular. For a man who occasionally (!) gets bees in his bonnet about particular players (say, Andy King), his best posts are stunningly good - the one below being a particularly fine example. Pearson is showing all the ability I expected. One big nothing! He is totally clueless, and cannot motivate his players.The Board have got what they deserved. I'm sitting on the fence here. N.P. has turned things around this season, and I have been most impressed. [...] However, I believe that should we gain promotion, then we should stick with him, as he will have deserved the opportunity. [...] Give him a six to twelve month contract, and give him your support, City. [...]Is Beckford a flop? Is Mills a liability? Is Wellens more past it than month-old milk? You can argue all day. But what I do know is that we've got no partnerships.Beckford/Nugent; King/Wellens; Bamba/Sean St Leger, Peltier/Gallagher...it's all like trying to mix oil with water. Hopeless!It's as if we've been let loose in a supermarket to buy ingredients for a feast and not given the slightest thought to blending those ingredients together.Now we're at another terminus. For the umpteenth time on the same journey it's "all change". Trouble is we know the destination but no-one seems to have any idea about how to get there.Well, my lads a chef. He doesn't need to spend fortunes. He can spend a pittance choosing precisely the right items to make any dish tantalise the tastebuds. And so it is with footballers. What matters is that not the value of the signings but that the manager can make all those signings blend together so that the finished product is something to behold.That means having partnerships everywhere which compliment one another. It means having a group of people who instinctively move and operate in tandem - all for one and one for all - never doubting their ability to overcome any obstacle and never leaving one of their own without assistance.We've got a big squad but very few performers who can say they've consistently done themselves justice and that is the biggest condemnation of our management - Sven, Pearson and even others before them. We've signed people like Fernandes, Danns and Johnson for no apparent reason judging by either their performances or involvement.[...]What City fans need is some intent and that won't come if we continue the flawed tactic of trying to beg wins by sitting back whenever we get in front. Consistency will come with an all-round sense of purpose and a determination to score the goals each season which will give us the chance of achieving our aims. That means applying pressure, pressure, pressure for as much of the game as we possibly can.Sitting back just takes the urgency and excitement out of our play and that's the last thing we need. Winning football is first and foremost about attitude. Great post Thrac.It's a silly poll as I still believe Pearson is the man who can get us out of this league, it's ridiculous to even think about judging him before he has the opportunity to sign his own players, not to mention clear out the stench that Sven purchased that is probably killing the dressing room. He's not a short-term answer and I think we all knew this due to how picky he is with his signings (which is a good thing based on his record here).But he's definitely a long-term one, he's been handed a great budget, they've proven in the past how impressive their knowledge of the lower leagues/Prem youngsters is, last time people don't remember it was HIS team from the start and this year it's Sven's. I think it'd take a miracle worker for us to be on good form with this squad.Long-term answer, it makes you wonder what his youngster signings would end up like in 5 years should he stay with them. If players don't want to be here, no decent manager will keep them on. You hewrnit time and again from managers about not keeping unhappy players.Quite a few people were saying many of the players aren't as good as we thought and almost everyone said we had no width from day one.Until he is given a chance to craft the team in his image then it's impossible to judge him properly. He had a slow start at hull until he managed to ship out the dross and bring in young hungry players like he did first time round here. [...]Personally I'll wait until he's made some signings and had a year like Sven did.
sylofox Posted 21 February 2014 Posted 21 February 2014 I'll be honest I did not want him back. But before you slag me of I did not want it to go wrong and one who was once a great manager getting slagged off. Up to the start of this season I did not think he had done a bad job but my fears were coming true. At the start of this season I had high hopes settled sqaud and management and thought we would do well (never thought this well though) But the Boro match thread made me sick People in here calling for his head when the team was released and slagging off Drinky and Vardy. Then we go 1 down and it went crazy I posted FFS at least get to HT before you start it made me sick. But so glad he's back and hope he never looked at that thread. As for the slaggers most of them would now sniff vardy's and Drinky's jock strap after a game. So yes glad he's back and to the early season slaggers (you know who you are) grow up a match is not 15 mins long and a season is not one game. Oh and nuget scores penalties and they do count. Long Live Nigel Pearson.
Basingstoke Fox Posted 21 February 2014 Posted 21 February 2014 This thread really sticks out in my mind more than any other. Initially started around the April Fools game away at Barnsley and continued right until we finally won again at home against Bolton. http://www.foxestalk.co.uk/forums/topic/87151-sack-him-now/page-31
foxfanazer Posted 21 February 2014 Posted 21 February 2014 Great that the owners didn't panic and sack him. It would've been tge easy option to be fair but they stuck with him and it is paying dividends now. I feel like we do have a a bit more of a long term plan and vision than previously. The structure is there now and it's all about steady progression (after the huge leap to the prem ) I firmly believe Pearson has reinstalled some pride back into this club after a sketchy (at best) 10 years. This so far has to go down as one of my favourite seasons following city
LanguedocFox Posted 21 February 2014 Posted 21 February 2014 Not being smug, but I've consistently said he's our best manager since MON, and I said so even in the dark days of March/April last year. Apart from building sides that consistently compete for promotion (rather than fight against relegation) and finding great young players (and signing good older ones) he seems to have instilled that "Foxes never quit" ethos into the team, and we've not had that since the 1990s. I sincerely hope the owners give him, Shakespeare and Walsh three year contracts, and that they keep faith even if (assuming we go up) we then get relegated - though I don't think we would get relegated.
Bayfox Posted 21 February 2014 Posted 21 February 2014 Is the question. As a walking tour guide? But for me. He restored pride in l1. Losing had become a habit at our club. He did at the 1st attempt what a few clubs couldn't. What would have been had we not wasted 2 years after cardiff. For me he has shown he and the players learnt from last year. For me unless we play shit football and get spanked every week then he should be here for 3 more years.
Guest Col city fan Posted 21 February 2014 Posted 21 February 2014 On the flip side.... Pearson has proved his doubters wrong. Including myself (as I've made clear). But he has never managed at a higher level, has never been given a King's ransom in terms of transfer kitty and has never had to pit his wits against the best week-in, week-out. Doing well in the Championship is one thing, getting a result at home to 'The Arsenal' is another. Lets see... if we gain promotion, its going to be interesting what contract Pearson signs, squad changes he makes and, most importantly maybe, how we set up. The flat 4-4-2 might not cut it. Exciting times ahead...
Jakemoore Posted 21 February 2014 Posted 21 February 2014 He definitely needs a chance, I think he might surprise us all!
Babylon Posted 21 February 2014 Posted 21 February 2014 Just read the thread... smug alert!!!! It's actually quite incredible how so many people don't give managers the benefit of doubt in certain situations.
foxfanazer Posted 21 February 2014 Posted 21 February 2014 On the flip side.... Pearson has proved his doubters wrong. Including myself (as I've made clear). But he has never managed at a higher level, has never been given a King's ransom in terms of transfer kitty and has never had to pit his wits against the best week-in, week-out. Doing well in the Championship is one thing, getting a result at home to 'The Arsenal' is another. Lets see... if we gain promotion, its going to be interesting what contract Pearson signs, squad changes he makes and, most importantly maybe, how we set up. The flat 4-4-2 might not cut it. Exciting times ahead... Every manager has to have their first season on the prem. Can't really fault him for noy having the experience yet. He's level headed enough to know that it'll be a tough old slog but I wouldn't want anybody else in charge
Babylon Posted 21 February 2014 Posted 21 February 2014 On the flip side.... Pearson has proved his doubters wrong. Including myself (as I've made clear). But he has never managed at a higher level, has never been given a King's ransom in terms of transfer kitty and has never had to pit his wits against the best week-in, week-out. Doing well in the Championship is one thing, getting a result at home to 'The Arsenal' is another. Lets see... if we gain promotion, its going to be interesting what contract Pearson signs, squad changes he makes and, most importantly maybe, how we set up. The flat 4-4-2 might not cut it. Exciting times ahead... He might not be cut out for the premier, I have doubts like everyone else. But should we get there and then get relegated I'm not sure I'd want him to leave. So often teams chase the dream to stay up, sack manager after manager and end up with someone no better than what they had, who then wants to put their own team in place to come back up and you end up ripping everything up.
CosbehFox Posted 21 February 2014 Posted 21 February 2014 The thing that I found amazing in the Summer and before that was not many could fathom that maybe a manager can actually develop, can improve and learn from his lessons. All in the same way a player can (*Vardy*). Seems a lot of football not just us or England thinks that managers should be cast aside in the face of failure to achieve difficult targets. If we go up, next lesson will be a lesson for Pearson. He will have to adapt. I really want us to avoid becoming a defensive unit like Norwich. But a bit like West Brom used to, if we go down allow the continuity and development of the manager to work again. What a lot of people underestimate is what upheaval a change of manager brings. It's not just your manager, it's the scouts which go, it's the fitness staff, it's youth staff etc. That's a lot of change which can hold the team directly back - Sousa a massive example of that - our signings were so poor, the fitness was terrible. Equally some times a change can be good admittedly but not whilst morale is high. 2 year contract for me.
kingcarr21 Posted 21 February 2014 Posted 21 February 2014 Weve drawn our last two matches Clueless Pearson OUT
Out Foxed Posted 21 February 2014 Posted 21 February 2014 Wellens, Oakley, Gallagher, Howard, Mills,etc
pazzerfox Posted 21 February 2014 Posted 21 February 2014 On the flip side.... Pearson has proved his doubters wrong. Including myself (as I've made clear). But he has never managed at a higher level, has never been given a King's ransom in terms of transfer kitty and has never had to pit his wits against the best week-in, week-out. Doing well in the Championship is one thing, getting a result at home to 'The Arsenal' is another. Lets see... if we gain promotion, its going to be interesting what contract Pearson signs, squad changes he makes and, most importantly maybe, how we set up. The flat 4-4-2 might not cut it. Exciting times ahead... To be fair, he's never been given a chance at a higher level. He's definitely earned the right to have a go though (providing we get up of course).
LanguedocFox Posted 21 February 2014 Posted 21 February 2014 To be fair, he's never been given a chance at a higher level. He's definitely earned the right to have a go though (providing we get up of course). Neither had MON when he joined us. Admittedly we went up at his first attempt (what would have happened if Kermogant had scored that pen??) but I think Pearson will do us proud.
Babylon Posted 21 February 2014 Posted 21 February 2014 Admittedly we went up at his first attempt He inherited a much healthier team than Pearson ever has here though.
Guest Col city fan Posted 21 February 2014 Posted 21 February 2014 He inherited a much healthier team than Pearson ever has here though. ? Have I got this wrong or didn't Martin recruit Lennon, Izzett and Claridge. Cottee, Elliott? Many would argue that Pearson inherited a strong squad too. Nuge, Konch, Kasper, Beckford, Mills... NOW yes, the latter are seen as duffers. At the time, they were seen, by the bulk on here for instance, as strong signings.
Guest Col city fan Posted 21 February 2014 Posted 21 February 2014 To be fair, he's never been given a chance at a higher level. He's definitely earned the right to have a go though (providing we get up of course). I agree. He's earning his chance. However, completely hypothetically, if we go up and start getting stuffed, how long would those on here suggesting we give him a contract akin to that of Pardew, keep suggesting such? I doubt even the most staunch fan of Pearson would enjoy a season of losing lots of games. Its about levels of expectation. If we go up and the aim is to avoid relegation, people may well accept that and give Nige time. If the expectation is more than that, and isn't achieved, it would be interesting to see the reactions on here. My feeling is that we will go up. Then I have no idea how we would do until I saw the squad ready for the next campaign.
Number 6 Posted 21 February 2014 Posted 21 February 2014 This scouting team with fewer financial constraints... Cannot wait.
Babylon Posted 21 February 2014 Posted 21 February 2014 ? Have I got this wrong or didn't Martin recruit Lennon, Izzett and Claridge. Cottee, Elliott? Many would argue that Pearson inherited a strong squad too. Nuge, Konch, Kasper, Beckford, Mills... NOW yes, the latter are seen as duffers. At the time, they were seen, by the bulk on here for instance, as strong signings. When O'Neill joined on the 21st December 1995 we were 3rd, two points off top, playing good football. When Pearson arrived first time he inherited a shambles relegated to the third tier for the first time ever. Second time he took over a team 13th, 14 points off the top. You seem to be falling into the Sven trap of believing big signings and names a good team makes. They achieved nothing, and have achieved nothing since their departure. I'm not trying to compare them as managers, Person has a long way to go yet to achieve O'Neill like status. But I often see comments about O'Neill getting us up first attempt and Pearson not, well we were in a much better position to do so.
Guest Col city fan Posted 21 February 2014 Posted 21 February 2014 When O'Neill joined on the 21st December 1995 we were 3rd, two points off top, playing good football. When Pearson arrived first time he inherited a shambles relegated to the third tier for the first time ever. Second time he took over a team 13th, 14 points off the top. You seem to be falling into the Sven trap of believing big signings and names a good team makes. They achieved nothing, and have achieved nothing since their departure. I'm not trying to compare them as managers, Person has a long way to go yet to achieve O'Neill like status. But I often see comments about O'Neill getting us up first attempt and Pearson not, well we were in a much better position to do so. what a lot of hot air! I was one of the biggest critics of Sven at a time when most were kissing his bottom. If I remember rightly, I think you were pretty defensive of him at the time? And City weren't too good when O'Neil took over were they? He came in and changed half the first team as soon as he could. Go back thru the threads and read how many people were overjoyed at the thought of signing Mills and Beckford. How time distorts stuff.. I don't know...
Babylon Posted 21 February 2014 Posted 21 February 2014 what a lot of hot air! I was one of the biggest critics of Sven at a time when most were kissing his bottom. If I remember rightly, I think you were pretty defensive of him at the time? And City weren't too good when O'Neil took over were they? He came in and changed half the first team as soon as he could. Go back thru the threads and read how many people were overjoyed at the thought of signing Mills and Beckford. How time distorts stuff.. I don't know... So, let me get this right... you think taking over a team 3rd at the end of December sitting just two points off top ISN'T a better team to inherit than one sitting 13th and 14 points from the top in November? Weren't that good when O'Neill took over? We were two points off the top, playing good football. Why do you think Wolves wanted Magoo from us? We dropped like a stone when O'Neill joined, and yes he changed the team to become one that would end up being greater than what he took over, but that's not what I was saying at all. You seem to be completely missing a very simple point, for the sake of getting into an argument. I have absolutely no idea what you are waffling on about, this isn't about what people thought they were inheriting, or how good people thought players were. It's about facts, and the facts are they were shit, and they still are shit. The team Pearson has inherited both times has been nowhere near as good as the team O'Neill inherited, league positions quite clearly show that. It's not even a debatable point. As for being defensive of Sven, yes I was. I will be of almost every manager we get unless they are a shambles. I believe in giving managers time to prove themselves good enough or not. Your slating of him after a few weeks was as misguided as those doing the same to Pearson. There is no way of knowing how it will end up after that sort of time.
Manwell Pablo Posted 21 February 2014 Posted 21 February 2014 He has been far too loyal to certain players. Last time it was Matt Oakley. This time it is the two central midfielders. They have been shocking for most of the season and any improvement following Pearson's return was VERY short-lived. The time for excuses is over. Pearson faces a real test of management in replacing them. But bearing in mind this is the boss who couldn't work with Gradel or Campbell (decisions which arguably cost us promotion in his first spell) I'm not convinced he'll be up to the task. Arrrr yeaaahhh, captain predicto strikes again McLaren for England!
TheUltimateWinner Posted 21 February 2014 Posted 21 February 2014 I want Pearson to stay with us for many years to come. I love what he has built and I hope he sticks with us until he retires.
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