Nugent - " Leicester Boo Boys"

[Kitchandro]

Or twats like you could just support the team!

 

Do you think having a go, sniping and critisism will help? Or do you think supporting a player if he is not firing on all cylinders would be better?

I know players play better when confident.

Just wondered like.

 

It doesn't really matter does it? He's a professional, it's not his job to have a snipe back at the fans, it's his job to perform on the pitch.

 

Now, I don't know what particular things he's referring to, but a lot of players have had much worse stick than him in recent years. I haven't heard him get much stick at the ground.

 

When you're out of form for as long as he was you don't have a good reason to come out with things like this.

 

He just looks a bit of an idiot when if we journey back to last season he bottled it and started playing dreadfully from February onwards. He should be a man and accept what profession he's in, keep his counsel and just carry on trying his best. If he truly proves a point on the pitch in the long run he won't need to say anything, everyone will be eating out of the palm of his hand.

[Kitchandro]

I think you and others seem to forget this is a newspaper interview.  The reporters ask the questions, the players respond

 

He's probably responding to a question along the lines of "some fans have been critical of your performances in recent weeks David, do you think your two goals today will do anything to help that"

 

It's not like he's rang the local rag up and told them to print a story sticking two fingers up at anyone who has criticized him. 

 

I'm sure he was asked about it, but his answer is clearly all to the same question. The first bit is fine but then he goes on and on like he's been really upset with the stick he's getting and like he's trying to rub it in that he's proved his point - which for me he hasn't - I've never doubted his capabilities, but he has been inconsistent at best for quite some time now.

 

Like I say above, I'm not really sure what he's referring to. He was getting a very rare bit of stick against Forest from individuals (not loud booing etc) because he was playing like absolute dog muck - and any player would have got that. He's hardly singled out for abuse on a regular basis like Gallagher was for example.

[cityfanlee23]

Spot on and Schmeichel will soon have people moaning about him if he lets in more goals like the one on Saturday, far too many mistakes creeping in this season.

 

I seem to remember a certain Roy keane claim

 

"Kaspar has a great future in the game and a brilliant potential, but he seems to be a bit like his father was at united, He thinks he's alot better than his is and acts as though he deserves to be in a top club in the premier league, his attitude needs to improve or he will start to make mistakes, and his career won't be as easy as he thinks"   (Something along those lines)

 

I thought at first "what a moron"  I have alot of respect for roy keane, so it must have stuck in my head because  every time  I've seen kaspar make a horrible mistake or get well out of position (Positioning is terrible IMO) 

 

I've thought of what Roy said,

Seems to be he might have been right, Far too many mistakes this season for a keeper with his potential and expecting to be in the premier league, every goal he  concedes  he screams at his defence, Watch the watford goal last year, We got hit on the counter, but Fvck knows what schmeichel was doing yet he was absolutely going mad at everyone else!

 

Maybe his attitude is  deceiving  but his body language to me suggest he thinks he's better than the championship, Maybe, but until we reach the prem he wont be able to prove it unless he moves on, so he needs to put his head down and make sure he's 100% focused.

[Bert]

It doesn't really matter does it? He's a professional, it's not his job to have a snipe back at the fans, it's his job to perform on the pitch.

Now, I don't know what particular things he's referring to, but a lot of players have had much worse stick than him in recent years. I haven't heard him get much stick at the ground.

When you're out of form for as long as he was you don't have a good reason to come out with things like this.

He just looks a bit of an idiot when if we journey back to last season he bottled it and started playing dreadfully from February onwards. He should be a man and accept what profession he's in, keep his counsel and just carry on trying his best. If he truly proves a point on the pitch in the long run he won't need to say anything, everyone will be eating out of the palm of his hand.

So it's ok for fans to give him stick but he's not allowed to speak up for himself?

[Kitchandro]

But what you are failing to see here is further evidence of the breakdown between the fans and the players, I am pretty sure that everyone at the club is aware of the abuse players like Gallagher and others got.

 

"If they want to get on my back, I don't care because I am doing it for the team and the staff."

 

That is what he said, he isn't doing it for the fans, we are almost getting to an us and them situation, which is ridiculous when we all want the same thing, everyone claims they don't hear the abuse at games, but that is bollocks, it doesn't have to be 20,000 people shouting "Nugent is a willy puller" but you hear plenty of comments, moans and groans. It is not all social meadia's fault, although Twitter probably makes things worse.

 

It is just clear to me that a lot of the players aren't playing for the fans anymore and I don't really blame them.

 

All players will get moans and groans everywhere in the country when they keep fvcking up. As Moosey said that's a natural reaction.

 

A lot of the fans love Nugent, he's one of the more popular players. I'm usually very critical of our negative fans but I can't really see where he's coming from.

 

The players have never done it for the fans, not this generation anyway. He should realise he actually needs us to make his career possible though.

[Manwell Pablo]

I'm sure he was asked about it, but his answer is clearly all to the same question. The first bit is fine but then he goes on and on like he's been really upset with the stick he's getting and like he's trying to rub it in that he's proved his point - which for me he hasn't - I've never doubted his capabilities, but he has been inconsistent at best for quite some time now.

 

Like I say above, I'm not really sure what he's referring to. He was getting a very rare bit of stick against Forest from individuals (not loud booing etc) because he was playing like absolute dog muck - and any player would have got that. He's hardly singled out for abuse on a regular basis like Gallagher was for example.

 

You must be reading a different article to me.

 

I'm guessing it's social media he's been getting plenty off that, and as I said, he's probably not the one who bought it up he was probably answering a question.

[Kitchandro]

So it's ok for fans to give him stick but he's not allowed to speak up for himself?

 

Well, yeh. But he's not been given much stick, has he?

 

That's the nature of the sport. If you're going to be paid so much to do a job for a club which the fans are obviously going to care more about than you, you have to expect that.

 

You can't be all childish about because let's be honest, we make his profession possible. He owes us, he needs to do his job and he's got no right to demand things from the fans. He should be grateful for every time thousands chant his name, not stroppy every time he hears a few groans or shouts of 'wake up Nugent' etc because he's having a mare. 

[Dickov22]

Simply unbelievable that supporters of this club can be so critical of Davud Nugent, to come out with comments such as 'he doesn't try', 'he laughs when he misses chances', 'he is a poor player' it's just obsence.

 

David Nugent is the best striker we've had at the club in a long long time. Yes, he's not been at his absolute best this season - to me that's quite pleasing because if he has even more in his locker, surely that bodes well for the rest of the season?! He's already got 10 goals and it's not December yet. Not bad.

 

I have never ever thought he has been as bad as people have made out, nor have I ever seen him not putting the effort in. He was average at the end of last season - along with the rest of the team. So what. It's clear this season we are a better side, with more experience and a bigger squad.

 

It's a good job Pearson isn't as fickle as some fans - had he left him out Saturday who knows if we'd have got all 3 points.

 

Get behind the team.

[whitlock]

He's been pony for most of 2013, that's a fact. Some of his misses are laughable, and I think at times this season, he hasn't seemed that bothered. Has he been booed within the ground or had any abuse from the stands? I don't think so.

 

Bit moronic for him to say what he has in the press, in my eyes its put more pressure on him to perform and score goals. The way he's been this season I can't see him going on a mad goal scoring run. Hopefully he does, but I can't see it.

[GingerrrFox]

So it's ok for fans to give him stick but he's not allowed to speak up for himself?

There's around 20 people on here who actively sound out Nugent when he's played shit and I can't imagine many give him stick on twitter so it's a bit weird to come out in the local paper and have a pop at the fans. When he's barely had any stick at games.

[jamesmilner]

he needs to be a bit more consistent to shout from the roof tops . im pleased hes scored twice but like pearson says one swallow doesnt  make a summer and if he hits a bit of form i will forget the games hes been awful , at 28,000 grand a game i expect a performance and regular goals . he scored two crackers for me saturday but i want more , why shouldnt i ? 

[Kitchandro]

You must be reading a different article to me.

 

I'm guessing it's social media he's been getting plenty off that, and as I said, he's probably not the one who bought it up he was probably answering a question.

 

"Instead of getting on my back, perhaps they can get behind the team and we can push on and get promoted."

 

"People are saying I haven't scored enough goals, but I have got 10 already this season"

 

"If they want to get on my back, I don't care because I am doing it for the team and the staff."

 

 

Those are comments that sound like he's pretty annoyed to me. And he's giving it the 'ooh look, I've got 10 this season, so stick that in your pipe and smoke it'.

 

He could have just said "If there are any moaners out there, then perhaps it will keep them quiet for a couple of weeks, but you can never keep all the fans happy."

 

The rest is just unnecessary and a bit petty.

 

Even Captain PF says it sounds like an 'us and them' thing.

[Kitchandro]

Gone are them days.

Annoys me when people say this. Do you really think our £400 season pays Nugents wages?

 

Do you think he'd have any wages if he didn't have fans watching him every week?

 

No billionaires then I'm afraid.

[Manwell Pablo]

"Instead of getting on my back, perhaps they can get behind the team and we can push on and get promoted."

 

"People are saying I haven't scored enough goals, but I have got 10 already this season"

 

"If they want to get on my back, I don't care because I am doing it for the team and the staff."

 

 

Those are comments that sound like he's pretty annoyed to me. And he's giving it the 'ooh look, I've got 10 this season, so stick that in your pipe and smoke it'.

 

He could have just said "If there are any moaners out there, then perhaps it will keep them quiet for a couple of weeks, but you can never keep all the fans happy."

 

The rest is just unnecessary and a bit petty.

 

Even Captain PF says it sounds like an 'us and them' thing.

 

I don't view it like that at all, and everything he has said is bang on correct to be fair to him. But then I'm not likely to view it as a  "them and us" thing as I haven't given him unwarranted abuse. When there are people on here and Twitter saying we should sell him for a pound while we can still get some money for him and strolling round with "Nugent is rubbish" in their signature I can't really blame him for standing up for himself after a good performance, when asked about it directly. It's ridiculous he's getting the slating that he has got in the fist place.

[Bert]

Do you think he'd have any wages if he didn't have fans watching him every week?

No billionaires then I'm afraid.

I'm not saying that, just that the days of "we pay your wages" are all but gone, especially when players are earning £20k a week.

Why do you think the club operate at a loss every year? Wages is a massive factor in that.

[Captain...]

How on earth do you know that Drinkwater was affected by the fans? Genuinely, do you know him and can confirm this?

 

Because of his goal celebrations. It affected him, it played on his mind so much so that instead of celebrating scoring by cheering, he cupped his ears towards the fans.

 

Now maybe he turned his game around because of the abuse he was getting, and is now playing to prove the fans wrong, but that is just furthering the division between fans and players.

[leicsmac]

Show me any instance where someone performs better at whatever they do when they are receiving any kind of non-constructive vitriolic criticism from any source and I'll agree that giving flak to any one of our players is justified.

 

Of course you pay your money to the club so you have the right to give your opinion on the players performances, absolutely. But don't pretend that by doing so - at the stadium or contacting a player via Twitter etc (basically shouting where in can be heard by the player) - that you're doing anything other than satisfying your own frustration and giving yourself self-gratification to the possible overall detriment of the player and therefore the club. 

 

Giving our players unconstructive stick (and let's face it, that's what most of it is) does nothing to help the team win. Not ever. And at the end of the day, that's what we're all here for, right? 

[MooseBreath]

Gone are them days.

Annoys me when people say this. Do you really think our £400 season pays Nugents wages?

Depends how you want to look at it. Maybe tv money pays his wages, maybe sponsorship money pays his wages, maybe gate receipts pay his wages. Whichever way you look at it, no fans = no gate receipts, no sponsorships and no tv money. It is because of us that he gets paid what he does.

[sylofox]

Sorry if this has been said but did not want to read all 3 pages.

 

All you knockers carry on one day you will get your wish and force out a great player or manager.

It nearly worked with MON after 10 games and you were all right he was a shite manager.

The knockers on the boro match thread started on NFP vardy and drinky before we had even kicked off.

Then were all made to look stupid all strikers have bad runs some have short runs but a few of them others have a long one.

 

But what all strikers players and mangers need is our support.

Would like to see most of you if you was slagged down everytime you went to work.

Most would be in tears and all would walk out in the end.

 

Oh before you spin out the he's a pro footballer and should be able to take cos he earns a shite load excuse.

No they are still being bullied.

 

So carry on and one day you may all get your wish.

You never know it may even be our next MON.

Who knows he may then turn up at the trees or sheep and win them the FA cup.

[Guest MarshallForEngland]

Depends how you want to look at it. Maybe tv money pays his wages, maybe sponsorship money pays his wages, maybe gate receipts pay his wages. Whichever way you look at it, no fans = no gate receipts, no sponsorships and no tv money. It is because of us that he gets paid what he does.

 

This is such an over-used and boring argument. Don't get ideas above your station - you're acting as if you are imbued with the collective bargaining power of 20k fans when you're not. If MooseBreath doesn't go to another game during the rest of his life, nobody will care. The only person whose absence you can use as a bargaining chip is your own, and believe me nobody gives a shit.

 

The reason why nobody takes this sort of argument seriously is because you have nothing to negotiate with. Most people don't go to football games because they admire the manager's choice of striker. They go because it's their team, and a few others go because the results are good and they want to see a winning team (look at the table if you want to argue against this one). It usually takes a lot more than a striker missing a couple of chances to force people to leave en masse.

 

Trying to use the prospect of 20k fans not turning up as a bargaining chip is laughable - not everybody is as fickle as you are. You can actually use this argument about any facet of any organisation, business, or venue.

 

1. I cannot stand the layout of my local ASDA. It's so counter-intuitive, nothing is in the right place. I write to complain but they don't listen to me, even though I am a paying customer and their wages are paid with my money. They forget that no customers = no money.

 

2. My university has appointed a new lecturer and I don't like him. He can't engage anybody and doesn't know his subject. I pay their wages with my fees but my complaints have fallen on deaf ears, but doesn't the uni realise that no students = no money?

 

3. I don't like Jimmy Carr's new DVD. It's awful and he isn't funny anymore. Why doesn't he write material that I like? It's people like me who pay his wages by buying his DVDs. No fans = no money.

 

4. The line-up of Download festival next year is terrible. I hate Aerosmith, they look like musical corpses. Don't they realise that it's fans like me who pay for the festival to go ahead? No metalheads = no money.

 

5. Facebook's new layout is embarrassingly bad. I have no idea where the frig I am sometimes. They get money from ad revenue but they can only charge that because users like me visit the website. No FB members = no money.

 

If you don't read those and understand why the "paying customers" canard is boring and pointless, or if you are tempted to say "but that's different because..." followed by some incidental and irrelevant distinction between my scenarios and the Leicester one, then good luck doing your laces or crossing the road.

[hackneyfox]

I hardly think Nugent is being bullied.

[leicsmac]

I hardly think Nugent is being bullied.

 

No, I don't think so either. But even if it doesn't affect him the whole idea of dishing out to a player of ours does nothing to help the player or the team - only to help the person doing it, so why do it? 

[ADK]

Nugent deserved the criticism, his performance from the start of our poor run of form last season through to this season has been below expectations.

 

He'd only scored twice in open play in the league before Ipswich which meant he was on target to not even break double figures in terms of goals scored from open play, he usually achieves ~15. Nobody has criticised his penalty taking, but that is separate to his role as a striker.

 

Mind you Nugent is a massive WUM so I'm sure he just enjoys the controversy.

[Ric Flair]

Show me any instance where someone performs better at whatever they do when they are receiving any kind of non-constructive vitriolic criticism from any source and I'll agree that giving flak to any one of our players is justified.

 

Of course you pay your money to the club so you have the right to give your opinion on the players performances, absolutely. But don't pretend that by doing so - at the stadium or contacting a player via Twitter etc (basically shouting where in can be heard by the player) - that you're doing anything other than satisfying your own frustration and giving yourself self-gratification to the possible overall detriment of the player and therefore the club. 

 

Giving our players unconstructive stick (and let's face it, that's what most of it is) does nothing to help the team win. Not ever. And at the end of the day, that's what we're all here for, right? 

 

You may well be right but anyone who is in the public eye and they control their own twitter page is open to abuse and they will always get morons who are sending them abuse, whether it's demmed deserved or not. You will always get cretins. I think forums are a place where you should be able to discuss your frustrations about your team and players, if they go out of their way to read it and get hurt by it then again i'm sorry but they're eaves dropping and although it might be unpleasant and unfair, it's life. I do not agree with abusing players at the ground unless there is a very good reason for doing so and there aren't many instances where that is applicable. It doesn't help a player or the team, but sadly it's inevitable.

[leicsmac]

Nugent deserved the criticism, his performance from the start of our poor run of form last season through to this season has been below expectations.

 

He'd only scored twice in open play in the league before Ipswich which meant he was on target to not even break double figures in terms of goals scored from open play, he usually achieves ~15. Nobody has criticised his penalty taking, but that is separate to his role as a striker.

 

Mind you Nugent is a massive WUM so I'm sure he just enjoys the controversy.

 

Why, when as has been mentioned such criticism doesn't help him or the team? It's certainly not productive and could well be counterproductive, so its pointless.

 

You may well be right but anyone who is in the public eye and they control their own twitter page is open to abuse and they will always get morons who are sending them abuse, whether it's demmed deserved or not. You will always get cretins. I think forums are a place where you should be able to discuss your frustrations about your team and players, if they go out of their way to read it and get hurt by it then again i'm sorry but they're eaves dropping and although it might be unpleasant and unfair, it's life. I do not agree with abusing players at the ground unless there is a very good reason for doing so and there aren't many instances where that is applicable. It doesn't help a player or the team, but sadly it's inevitable.

 

Totally agree with you here, if you vent off on here or down the pub with your mates that's fine, but doing it in a way that is designed to directly attract the attention of the player (so at the ground or on their Twitter account) is something no real City fan should do, for the above reasons, and mainly because its pointless. Do agree with you that its sadly inevitable though as there will always be people who put their own frustrations before the club, despite claiming to be 'true fans'.