st albans fox Posted 4 March 2015 Posted 4 March 2015 20 points from 12 games may not be enough and baring in mind we've only 18 from 26 shows just how naive we've been this season. I think 17th could have 40+ points which means we are down already realistically. Shame. 17th - 40 points? I'll sit atop the clock tower starkers if that happens
MooseBreath Posted 4 March 2015 Posted 4 March 2015 All over bar the shouting now unfortunately. Forget the two games in hand - man cCity and Chelsea - definitely losses and we need at least 16 points, probably 17 from ten games. If we were capable of that we'd be challenging for champions league places.
Guest MattP Posted 4 March 2015 Posted 4 March 2015 20 points from 12 games may not be enough and baring in mind we've only 18 from 26 shows just how naive we've been this season. I think 17th could have 40+ points which means we are down already realistically. Shame. No way is 17th getting that figure, it would require most of the bottom eight all picking up top 6 form points totals over the last 10 games. I'm not giving up as it's not something I do but I'm struggling to see us getting through this now, the gap just looks too big even with our end of season run in.
lgfualol Posted 4 March 2015 Posted 4 March 2015 20 points from 12 games may not be enough and baring in mind we've only 18 from 26 shows just how naive we've been this season. I think 17th could have 40+ points which means we are down already realistically. Shame. Jesus christ, that is depressing. Goodbye Premier League.
CosbehFox Posted 4 March 2015 Posted 4 March 2015 No way is 17th getting that figure, it would require most of the bottom eight all picking up top 6 form points totals over the last 10 games. I'm not giving up as it's not something I do but I'm struggling to see us getting through this now, the gap just looks too big even with our end of season run in. Villa projected to get 34 points, that's six wins required for us.
Footballwipe Posted 4 March 2015 Posted 4 March 2015 Whatever the case, it's going to take a Herculean effort that none of us have seen this season to save us. While tonight may not be the final nail in the coffin considering the opposition, we're probably all agreed that not winning against Hull will be, and we can accept our fate at 4:50pm on 14 March if we haven't picked up all three points.
Harry - LCFC Posted 4 March 2015 Posted 4 March 2015 It's not lies though is it? We've been hoplesselslely pathetic since October, and ever since we landed on our arses at the foot of the table, it's been blatantly obvious that we won't recover. There's no point in having a go at those who chose to be negative, we all pay our money and the return we've had has been pathetic, Villa away was the most insulting 90 minutes I've had to sit through for years. We won't beat Man City, and we won't stay up, neither will we come back up next season, so just allow us to moan and groan. All three of the points made in the post I was responding to are either untrue or had little basis for making such a claim. Take the third - completely made up in an attempt to further the negativity agenda and convince people that this season will have done lasting damage to the club.
HankMarvin Posted 4 March 2015 Posted 4 March 2015 I could carry this on but it will be a bore for all and sundry. Poyet wasn't an experienced manager and got Sunderland out of the dump last season. By bringing it up at end of season if we go down, you'll be basically celebrating our relegation. So well played. You kinda gone off your own point saying it's nothing to do with the manager, but then given another good example of a club that changed manager and got good results. Nice one
cjslcfc Posted 4 March 2015 Posted 4 March 2015 It's not lies though is it? We've been hoplesselslely pathetic since October, and ever since we landed on our arses at the foot of the table, it's been blatantly obvious that we won't recover. There's no point in having a go at those who chose to be negative, we all pay our money and the return we've had has been pathetic, Villa away was the most insulting 90 minutes I've had to sit through for years. We won't beat Man City, and we won't stay up, neither will we come back up next season, so just allow us to moan and groan. Oh OK. No point going to a match until 2016/17 then. Callabinho has spoken.
Mike Oxlong Posted 4 March 2015 Posted 4 March 2015 I think it's unfair to refer to certain posters as negative. There's the realists and the optimists. Nothing wrong with being optimistic mind.
Guest Posted 4 March 2015 Posted 4 March 2015 Those of us criticised for being optimistic realise it's unlikely that we'll survive but we understand that it is possible. That's why we hold on to hope. Until it is impossible stop shitting on us.
Alf Bentley Posted 4 March 2015 Posted 4 March 2015 All over bar the shouting now unfortunately. Forget the two games in hand - man cCity and Chelsea - definitely losses and we need at least 16 points, probably 17 from ten games. If we were capable of that we'd be challenging for champions league places. Villa projected to get 34 points, that's six wins required for us. 34 points is certainly closer to the required total than 40+, but even if Villa get 34+ there's every chance that 3 other teams (e.g. QPR, Burnley, Hull) could get less. Assuming 34 points is required, 5 wins, a draw and a better goal difference might suffice. My realistic head says that Moose's assessment is correct. However.....however....... Look at our fixtures (excluding the Man City & Chelsea "games in hand"): - Home (6): Hull, West Ham, Swansea, Newcastle, Southampton, QPR - Away (4): Spurs, WBA, Burnley, Sunderland Is at really impossible for us to get 5 wins and 1 draw from 10 games, 6 of which are at home (and not against the "big boys"), 3 of which are away to fellow strugglers and 1 away on a ground where we've already won this season? Based on form so far this season, it probably won't happen, as we miss too many chances and make the odd stupid defensive error every match, despite being competitive. But we now have Kramaric and Huth. If those 2 can take those chances and eliminate those errors...... Is it really impossible that we might win, say, at home to Hull, Newcastle & QPR and away to Burnley & Sunderland, and pick up a draw elsewhere? This team and this manager will believe all the way - and so should we. It's a tough ask, but there IS still hope!
CosbehFox Posted 4 March 2015 Posted 4 March 2015 You kinda gone off your own point saying it's nothing to do with the manager, but then given another good example of a club that changed manager and got good results. Nice one You said 'experienced at this level' manager which Poyet wasn't but kept Sunderland up.
chapero82 Posted 4 March 2015 Posted 4 March 2015 If we beat Everton I would say we had a chance but we didn't sbd now 7 points adrift. Looking at Villa last night I think they will easily win some of there upcoming games and stay up. Sunderland may struggle though but we have no chance of catching anybody up. To stay up we need to win at man city. And beat Chelsea at home. There is being delusional and realistic. Who ever thinks we will stop up now is completely delusional. look at the championship and look at the teams on the relegation spots would you say they have a chance to stay up?
Renart Posted 4 March 2015 Posted 4 March 2015 I still think we'll go down, and i'm not even sure if we'll get 18th. But, I still think the survival total will be very low. I think it's almost certainly going to be 3 from us, Burnley, QPR, Hull and Villa (Sunderland also perhaps). With our best chance of staying up being finishing above Burnley, QPR and Hull. Villa have some very winnable games, including their last two, but that doesn't mean it'll be a foregone conclusion; this is Villa after all. Home games against the likes of Swansea, QPR and Burnley should see them over the line, along with games against Sunderland away and both Everton and West Ham at home. But stranger things have happened, can't see them for the drop though. Burnley have fallen away in recent weeks and have Liverpool, Man City, Spurs, Southampton, Everton and Arsenal before they face us - not too many realistically achievable from that, although they have defied the odds already this season. Think they'll be 19th/20th come the end of the season though. QPR have perhaps got the worst run in of the lot, with difficult home games and most winnable ones away, Villa, us, Palace and West Brom for example. Whilst they've finally got some points on the board away from home, they'll do well to stay up. Hull have built up a reasonable cushion from the bottom 3, but still not out of it by any means. If we were to beat them in a week or so, they have got some really tough games to follow. That's always a huge if when it involves us and winning a game in any form, particularly at home against a poor side. But that game could well be huge. Of course it's all irrelevant if we shoot ourselves in the foot for the umpteenth time this season, but there is still so much left to play for, with some very interesting fixtures. What about Sunderland? Nothing is certain yet.
Xen Posted 4 March 2015 Posted 4 March 2015 It'd be hilarious if somehow we did manage to win the two games in hand and put ourselves within a point of safety. Would be typical of us though to do that but lose to Hull and Burnley, though
The Railway Man Posted 4 March 2015 Posted 4 March 2015 It's not over as we could pick up a ton of points in the last two months, however it's time to admit it's looking very very unlikely given how we struggle to break teams down.
Gerard Posted 4 March 2015 Posted 4 March 2015 Those of us criticised for being optimistic realise it's unlikely that we'll survive but we understand that it is possible. That's why we hold on to hope. Until it is impossible stop shitting on us. Good post. In all probability we will go down but the betting markets suggest we have 28.3% chance of survival so that's hardly a foregone conclusion that some of you believe it is. Burnley are more likely to be relegated than us and I'd bet if you went on their forum they haven't thrown in the towel. I wouldn't want to be in the trenches with some of you lot who consider yourself dead before the battle had started just because the enemy outnumbered you, remember Agincourt. I'm optimistic when we're in the bottom three and pessimistic when we're not. If we were in Crystal Palace's position I would still find a way for us to be relegated and in our position now I can still find a way for us to be safe. Even if we lose tonight and get beat at home by Hull I will still stay optimistic and be able to see a route to safety. Where there's life there's hope.
Soar Fox Posted 4 March 2015 Posted 4 March 2015 How are Burnley more likely to go down than us? They are 3 points of safety we are 7 points of safety.
Guest MattP Posted 4 March 2015 Posted 4 March 2015 How are Burnley more likely to go down than us? They are 3 points of safety we are 7 points of safety. Bookmakers agree with the opinion as well. probably Burnley's run in - they don't have a bad last month but their next six games are Liverpool (a) Man City (h) Soton (a) Spurs (h) Arsenal (h) and Everton (a). Odds to go down Burnley 2/7 Leicester 4/11 QPR 4/7 Villa 7/4 Hull 3/1 Sunderland 7/2 25/1 Bar How we are still only 4/11 when seven points off is staggering, the layers clearly rate us despite our position.
Dan Posted 4 March 2015 Posted 4 March 2015 I think it's unfair to refer to certain posters as negative. There's the realists and the optimists. Nothing wrong with being optimistic mind. In some cases it certainly isn't. Say if someone said... I don't know, that a loss to Man City means we'd have no chance of coming back up next year for example, then you'd be fair to brand them as negative. I'm struggling for optimism but it isn't over yet as much as it ought to be.
Finn Claw II Posted 4 March 2015 Posted 4 March 2015 Villa result was massive. It's stating the obvious but we could do with a point tonight and 3 against Hull. It's going to be the three promoted sides isn't it
Gerard Posted 4 March 2015 Posted 4 March 2015 How are Burnley more likely to go down than us? They are 3 points of safety we are 7 points of safety. It's all about points + points expectation. If we got Messi and Ronaldo on loan we would be odds against to go down as our point expectation would soar but we would still be in the same position and have the same points. The betting market suggests we have a much better team than Burnley.
ScouseFox Posted 4 March 2015 Posted 4 March 2015 How we are still only 4/11 when seven points off is staggering, the layers clearly rate us despite our position. media as well. every time there's a segment on us on motd or we make sky 90% of pundits say "well i don't know how they're adrift because, as you can see from this performance, they've definitely got enough to stay up". i work with liverpool and everton fans, as well as an arsenal and a spurs fan. they all think we've got a much better chance of staying up than i do, because we've outperformed liverpool at anfield, scored a last minute own goal to deny ourselves a win at everton, took a point off arsenal that should've been three and could easily have got something from the return game and battered and beaten spurs. people watch us once or twice and think "well they've got decent quality, they can't be this unlucky every game, can they?!" but if you watch us every week you realise we keep managing to just about lose every game.
ousefox Posted 4 March 2015 Posted 4 March 2015 When was the last time the three promoted sides went straight back down?
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