Dan Posted 4 March 2015 Posted 4 March 2015 Never happened in the Premier League era apparently. Did you lot know that if you take away Tim Sherwood's games against Newcastle & Stoke that he'd have a 100% win ratio? This bloke is just something else. The even more special one.
HankMarvin Posted 4 March 2015 Posted 4 March 2015 You've got to be kidding me about Sherwood right? In most cases the better form is more to do with a set of players who forgot working hard because they want to deflect blame on the manager during poor form. A new bloke comes in and they begin to up their game thinking 'ooo I got a contract renewal coming up and I'm not sure this guy rates me'. It's still predominantly the players. The manager doesn't miss tons of chances, the manager doesn't concede own goals. no, no doubt villa will pull away i will then remind you of this post, yeah your right after all every player that plays contract is up in 6 months and they are not tied in 2,3,4 year contracts. The fact is some players wanna play for certain managers - they get the most out of players, its all good when your on a winning run - but the true test of a good manager is how he makes the players bounce back from defeat. Did you not see the article on the west brom players saying that pullis put an arm round the shoulder and made them feel wanted, no one can argue the fact that over the last 2 seasons for what ever reason changing managers for an experienced manager at this level has resulted in an upturn of results I could carry this on but it will be a bore for all and sundry. Poyet wasn't an experienced manager and got Sunderland out of the dump last season. By bringing it up at end of season if we go down, you'll be basically celebrating our relegation. So well played. You kinda gone off your own point saying it's nothing to do with the manager, but then given another good example of a club that changed manager and got good results. Nice one You said 'experienced at this level' manager which Poyet wasn't but kept Sunderland up. Like i said you previously said its nothing to do with the manager its all do do with the players, then you gave another example of a manager last season that made an impact regardless of how much experience he had
Rasmic123 Posted 4 March 2015 Posted 4 March 2015 Would be an absolute joke if villa stayed up, gotta be the worst team in the league atm
benpicko Posted 4 March 2015 Posted 4 March 2015 Will we be the only team with over 100 points in the Championship to go right back down if we do?
st albans fox Posted 4 March 2015 Posted 4 March 2015 To stay up we need to win at man city. And beat Chelsea at home. Course we do ........... There are plenty of decent arguments as to why we are /are not going to stay up but this is far more delusional than those saying we can stay up.
Brooksy Posted 4 March 2015 Posted 4 March 2015 Will we be the only team with over 100 points in the Championship to go right back down if we do? Yep Think the teams that did it stayed up comfortably, makes you wonder how we've ****ed this season up so badly.
Mike Oxlong Posted 4 March 2015 Posted 4 March 2015 In some cases it certainly isn't. Say if someone said... I don't know, that a loss to Man City means we'd have no chance of coming back up next year for example, then you'd be fair to brand them as negative. I'm struggling for optimism but it isn't over yet as much as it ought to be. Well, if you're going to take it to the margins you'd have to refer to some of the optimists as fantasists.
AyewJoking Posted 4 March 2015 Posted 4 March 2015 pray the gap doesnt get bigger than 6 points, win a couple of games, get back in the mix and its game on.
Jimothy Posted 4 March 2015 Posted 4 March 2015 pray the gap doesnt get bigger than 6 points, win a couple of games, get back in the mix and its game on. It's already 7 points.
Mayofox Posted 4 March 2015 Posted 4 March 2015 When was the last time the three promoted sides went straight back down?My Missus has just said "Why don't they give an amnesty to the promoted sides, so they can't be relegated in their first year?" Wouldn't the world be a better place if run by women!
Freeman's Wharfer Posted 4 March 2015 Posted 4 March 2015 I don't think Villa's win has relegated us but I think that we somehow need to sneak a draw or win from our games against City, Chelsea or Spurs (what some are referring to as 'bonus games')
GingerrrFox Posted 4 March 2015 Posted 4 March 2015 My realistic head says that Moose's assessment is correct. However.....however....... Look at our fixtures (excluding the Man City & Chelsea "games in hand"): - Home (6): Hull, West Ham, Swansea, Newcastle, Southampton, QPR - Away (4): Spurs, WBA, Burnley, Sunderland I'm not having anyone tell me that it's already a done deal. Hull, QPR, WBA, Burnley and Sunderland are all definitely winnable games. On top of that I fancy our chances against West Ham who are really struggling at the moment, Newcastle who are one of the most inconsistent teams in this league and Tottenham who we've previously beaten and were massively unlucky to lose to at home and now they are out of the Europa League, FA Cup and League Cup final have little to play for. It's not all said and done, not by a ****ing long shot.
Matt Posted 4 March 2015 Posted 4 March 2015 Would be an absolute joke if villa stayed up, gotta be the worst team in the league atm
Guest Col city fan Posted 4 March 2015 Posted 4 March 2015 How I see it THUS FAR is like this. Because of last season's great effort, Nige has bought himself time amongst large sections of City fans. Whether this is right or wrong is open to subjection. Some will say last season doesn't give him any special dispensation this season. Others will argue the opposite. What I think is more objective is the fact that this season has been hugely disappointing. We are bottom, we've piddled about with formations, team selections etc. BUT...Pearson STILL has time to turn this around. As have his players. What is fact is that we are not yet relegated. A good run now will probably keep us up. Not likely, no...but not impossible. I maintain hope (not expectation) until it's mathematically impossible to stay up.
Gerard Posted 4 March 2015 Posted 4 March 2015 - Home (6): Hull, West Ham, Swansea, Newcastle, Southampton, QPR- Away (4): Spurs, WBA, Burnley, Sunderland Apart from Spurs we would go into all of those games with reasonable expectation to win them. If we can suddenly find a settled team, some confidence and form then there's a lot of points there potentially. In fact as things stand, out of the 12 games we have remaining I'd only take a point against Man City (A), Spurs (A) and Chelsea (H). The rest I'd take my chances on. It's still relatively in our own hands.
Sunbury Fox Posted 4 March 2015 Posted 4 March 2015 Have to say that I was ready to throw the towel in after the Villa win last night, as I see them as a very poor team. But looking at the remaining fixtures, I think Villa are probably destined to get enough points to stay up. By contrast, Hull, Burnley and QPR have evil run-ins. At this stage of the season, with mid table clubs having little to play for, I would say that any game at home to a team outside the top 7, who look much stronger than the rest, is winnable. Any game away against a bottom 6 team is also winnable. On that basis we have 7 winnable games left, Burnley 4, QPR 5 and Hull only 2, one of which is against us. Win that and we could really pull Hull into it, despite the current points gap. Similar scenario to what happened to Norwich last season. If we also beat Burnley and QPR it is game on!
Steve_Guppy_Left_Foot Posted 4 March 2015 Posted 4 March 2015 Problem with that prognosis is that Football doesn't work like that. Any one of them teams (ourselves included against Chelsea and Man City) can win any game. Every game is absolutely winnable, and a team fighting relegation is much more likely to give more than a team pushing for a top 6 position. I expect many unpredictable results for a lot of the teams around us between now and seasons end. We just need to worry about ourselves and get as many points as we can.
Xen Posted 4 March 2015 Posted 4 March 2015 How I see it THUS FAR is like this. Because of last season's great effort, Nige has bought himself time amongst large sections of City fans. Whether this is right or wrong is open to subjection. Some will say last season doesn't give him any special dispensation this season. Others will argue the opposite. What I think is more objective is the fact that this season has been hugely disappointing. We are bottom, we've piddled about with formations, team selections etc. BUT...Pearson STILL has time to turn this around. As have his players. What is fact is that we are not yet relegated. A good run now will probably keep us up. Not likely, no...but not impossible. I maintain hope (not expectation) until it's mathematically impossible to stay up. Wow. For once, I totally agree with everything Col has said. Great post.
Benguin Posted 4 March 2015 Posted 4 March 2015 If we're on 18 ort 19 points after Hull next week, I will except our inevitable relegation. If however we get up to 21 points I will remain optimistic.
Raj Posted 4 March 2015 Posted 4 March 2015 Like col states we HAVE to believe and hold onto any iota of a chance we have. We could go on an unbeaten run and end in mid table...yes I know we we won't but as city fans all we have is hope until the r is finally next to our name....mind you let's see what we say at 9.30pm ish ...
Mark_w Posted 4 March 2015 Posted 4 March 2015 How I see it THUS FAR is like this. Because of last season's great effort, Nige has bought himself time amongst large sections of City fans. Whether this is right or wrong is open to subjection. Some will say last season doesn't give him any special dispensation this season. Others will argue the opposite. What I think is more objective is the fact that this season has been hugely disappointing. We are bottom, we've piddled about with formations, team selections etc. BUT...Pearson STILL has time to turn this around. As have his players. What is fact is that we are not yet relegated. A good run now will probably keep us up. Not likely, no...but not impossible. I maintain hope (not expectation) until it's mathematically impossible to stay up. I think 'Because of last season's great effort, Nige has bought himself time amongst large sections of City fans.' is a weird way of looking at it. Because Nigel has a great record in the Championship, a large section of our supporters want him in charge when we inevitably return to the Championship. It's not like we've been blinded by one season of success, he has a really good record in the division we're going to be in. It's not about last season giving him 'special dispensation' it's about him being the best option to take the club forward.
Jimothy Posted 4 March 2015 Posted 4 March 2015 Gomis has collapsed at Spurs apparently. Looks bad. Must something about White Hart Lane, it's where Muamba collapsed a few years back.
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