Kramaric

[filbertstreet]

,not strong or fast.

Did you see his run at the end of Liverpool game? Bombed it all the way down the pitch well fast

[jaqo88]

I get the feeling Kramaric is a confidence player. I think that if he got a run in the side and managed to get a couple of goals his confidence would increase and he would show us why we paid a lot for him.

At the moment he isn't getting a chance, and can't build any confidence with the time he is getting. He'll need a bit of luck (maybe a scrappy goal) but I reckon he could be an important player for us

[Medwayfox]

I presume they have been working on his weaknesses and physical strength in training? Isn't he a similar build to Vardy who was fairly useless for much of last season until he found his feet in the Premiership. Kramaric needs to be given a fair chance and then it will put the issue to bed once and for all whether he is any good. He is our record signing so someone must have liked what they saw.

[deep blue]

Many fans have good reasons for thinking Kram won't make it, but just as many thought that Vardy wouldn't either. There are some similarities - both showed undeniable goalscoring talent, both came from a lower level and needed time to adapt. Vardy had the advantage of coming from a fast and furious style of football, his pugnacious and determined character, his natural speed, and he came into a situation where he could be afforded a long bedding-in time. Kram had played at a higher level (Euro and International, albeit accommodating a slow style) but has been unlucky in the two situations he's found himself in here - firstly as part of a beleaguered team, and now in a very successful squad.

Fans can be forgiven for thinking he won't make it here, but that one incident at Anfield gave a hope that he can acquire the determination, speed and team ethic to succeed. The argument against giving him a good go earlier this season has been that we couldn't afford to disrupt a winning team to experiment and drop points in the process. Fair enough.

But the situation has changed and we will drop points if we continue to play Vardy while he's unfit/knackered. He must be rested.

Now is the moment to give Kram a decent chance as we have little to lose. And if he fails then we may have time to replace him in the Jan window. At the end of the day it could be a very bad mistake to let go a player who cost so much and who has so much promise without giving him a proper go.

[weller54]

With Vardy OBVIOUSLY not fit /and requiring a rest we have very little option but to try Kramaric... Tough ask for him to shine against Man city but we're snookered!

....can only see a defeat coming up I'm afraid!

[FireFox]

If no Vardy, I would rather give Okazaki and Ulloa a go from the start. Krama on at halftime if that isn't working.

He is our record signing so someone must have liked what they saw.

He is not our record signing...

[Babylon]

where are these stats? I don't want to go in too hard on the guy but I see few tackles, interceptions or won headers and lots of falling, getting tackled and fumbling.

It's hard to get a fair comparison as we're comparing different seasons, under different managers, with different tactics and formations. But he's a mile off Kramaric in the defensive stats. Okazaki is ahead in the fouls won column also, which is about winning ground and relieving pressure.There is an argument there for Leo offering enough of a defensive contribution (whilst still not being quite as much) and more of an attacking threat.

 

 

This is an overview rating of what they score for the defensive and attacking sides of their game, based on the different stats available.

 

 

These are the more attacking stats

 

 

Add that to the fact Okazaki comes in for the games against better teams, where more defending is needed and Leo for the teams you'd expect us to be able to attack against. It seems clear to me it's a totally tactical decision to rotate for what he thinks is needed. Knowingly sacrificing more attacking player for someone more defensive.

 

As I said there are arguments for Leo and perhaps even putting in another CM to play behind Vardy, but until Kram can put in the defensive stuff, he'll be more likely to be taking Leo's place against the "poorer" teams, where we don't defend as much.  To Kramaric's credit, he did put in that effort and defensive side when he came on for 10mins, which I think will be noted.

 

 

**** Just a note to say... How the feck can Leo not win as many Aerial battles when he's about a foot taller.

[shade]

It's hard to get a fair comparison as we're comparing different seasons, under different managers, with different tactics and formations. But he's a mile off Kramaric in the defensive stats. Okazaki is ahead in the fouls won column also, which is about winning ground and relieving pressure.There is an argument there for Leo offering enough of a defensive contribution (whilst still not being quite as much) and more of an attacking threat.

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This is an overview rating of what they score for the defensive and attacking sides of their game, based on the different stats available.

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These are the more attacking stats

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Add that to the fact Okazaki comes in for the games against better teams, where more defending is needed and Leo for the teams you'd expect us to be able to attack against. It seems clear to me it's a totally tactical decision to rotate for what he thinks is needed. Knowingly sacrificing more attacking player for someone more defensive.

As I said there are arguments for Leo and perhaps even putting in another CM to play behind Vardy, but until Kram can put in the defensive stuff, he'll be more likely to be taking Leo's place against the "poorer" teams, where we don't defend as much. To Kramaric's credit, he did put in that effort and defensive side when he came on for 10mins, which I think will be noted.

**** Just a note to say... How the feck can Leo not win as many Aerial battles when he's about a foot taller.

some interesting stats, but all i take from that is kramaric is a better attacker than the other two. combine that with the fact that it would have been difficult for kramaric to do much defending when he was on his own against three or four defenders mostly, and it just reinforces the view in my mind that we need to give him a run before we bin him off!

[FireFox]

...average per game...

[Guest CityFan 06]

I rewatched that Liverpool attack when there was an open goal. Shows a fantastic attitude when he sprinted all the way back to prevent us conceding. I know he only just came on but it's still impressive.

[Babylon]

some interesting stats, but all i take from that is kramaric is a better attacker than the other two. combine that with the fact that it would have been difficult for kramaric to do much defending when he was on his own against three or four defenders mostly, and it just reinforces the view in my mind that we need to give him a run before we bin him off!

Well if that's all you take form it the discussion is pointless, as I think you are missing the point of what's being asked of the players in certain situations.

[Babylon]

...average per game...

You can put it on any one you want and it barely makes a difference. People are asking for Kramaric to replace Okazaki and I think they are missing the point about what Okazaki is being used for. In a perfect world we'd have someone who offers a defensive and attacking contribution of equal value. Until we do I think we'll continue to see them rotate for different games.

[fuchsntf]

Now is the moment to give Kram a decent chance as we have little to lose. And if he fails then we may have time to replace him in the Jan window. At the end of the day it could be a very bad mistake to let go a player who cost so much and who has so much promise without giving him a proper go.

Of all the posts on the subject, this paragraph is the only one that makes sense, and without presumption.

Look Vardy might of just had a 48hr virus, and is fit and ready to go....Its immaterial, since October, and even far

back into closed season, I mentioned that we should try all our Forwards.Since then Vardy has been on a run of

a lifetime, but that other partnership position nobody has layed claim to.Forget what Claudio, or coaches

have seen in training, at 8 mil, Kramaric should of had more shows, so Coaching staff could make a BETTER

judgement for January.Now we are no better off, hes hardly had a sub appearance, so the league cup were

his only chance to shine.

Kramaric is younger, so waiting to see if Shinji can come good, or Ulloa can get a run under his belt, was worth a

punt, but to the cost of his non involvment, is the one issue, imo we got wrong.

W.Ham, Bournemouth, Arsenal, even Man.city suffered from many same-time injuries.

After 19 games, going into New year, higher chance of injuries, with Jan-transfer in both

directions looming, it would of been from all angles prudent, to have seen more of Krammy.

At worst 3-4, 20-30 mins from the bench.

Inler was given a few cracks at it, he wasnt yet ready, but he could now serve a role.

[foxes21]

It's hard to get a fair comparison as we're comparing different seasons, under different managers, with different tactics and formations. But he's a mile off Kramaric in the defensive stats. Okazaki is ahead in the fouls won column also, which is about winning ground and relieving pressure.There is an argument there for Leo offering enough of a defensive contribution (whilst still not being quite as much) and more of an attacking threat.

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This is an overview rating of what they score for the defensive and attacking sides of their game, based on the different stats available.

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These are the more attacking stats

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Add that to the fact Okazaki comes in for the games against better teams, where more defending is needed and Leo for the teams you'd expect us to be able to attack against. It seems clear to me it's a totally tactical decision to rotate for what he thinks is needed. Knowingly sacrificing more attacking player for someone more defensive.

As I said there are arguments for Leo and perhaps even putting in another CM to play behind Vardy, but until Kram can put in the defensive stuff, he'll be more likely to be taking Leo's place against the "poorer" teams, where we don't defend as much. To Kramaric's credit, he did put in that effort and defensive side when he came on for 10mins, which I think will be noted.

**** Just a note to say... How the feck can Leo not win as many Aerial battles when he's about a foot taller.

To be honest those stats make all 3 look pathetic

[shade]

Well if that's all you take form it the discussion is pointless, as I think you are missing the point of what's being asked of the players in certain situations.

why have an attacker who you want to be a better defender than attacker? sack it, bang Inler in there if you basically want to play 451 with a guy who doesn't carry much of an attacking threat in front of the 2 midfielders.

[CharlieCharles]

We know what Okazaki and Ulloa can do, nothing special really.

 

We don't know what Kramaric can do. He has started 6 games for us. 

 

Okazaki has scored 3 goals in 18 apps.

Kramaric has scored 4 goals in 20 apps.

 

So Kramaric who has been absolutely slated by Leicester fans has a better scoring record than Okazaki, who is are 2nd choice striker. 

[Riverfox]

I was a lurker here for some time now, and to tell you the truth I never thought I would post anything, but this thread is just confusig the ... out of me. I just don't understand this love/hate thing that is going on here. There are so many posters that think Krama is crap, and as much that think he is great. Both views are strange to me, because there is only one fact that is undesputable here: he just didn't have the chance to prove himself. Maybe he will be Leicester legend, maybe he will be total flop.... it's just to soon to tell.

I am Croatian and I watched him week in, week out, and I know what he is capable of. I know that many of you will say that thet doesn't matter because Cro leauge is crap, and that is absolutely true, Croatian league IS crap, but.... just because it is crap, every now and then emerges a player that is waaay above that league (Modric, Rakitic, Mandzukic, ...). I am a big football fanatic and I have been following all the major european leagus for almost 30 years now, so I like to think I can recognise a great player when I see one.

That beeing said, I was sceptical when he signed for Leicester, because it was obvious that he would need some time to adapt to the pace of the EPL, and at that moment Leicester needed a finished player right then and there to escape the relegation. When Leicester went on to that amasing run last year that is still going, it was logical that neither Pearson or Ranieri wolud want to break the winning formula. I mean, even in Croatia nobody expects Krama to play when the team is doing so great, and Vardy is scoring for fun.

 

When/if he gets his chance, he will proove if he is good enough for Leicester or not. To have such extreme opinions right now is just ridiculous. 

[whoareyaaa]

The lad obviously has potential and is a natural goalscorer if his stats are anything to by, he is still young and hasn't really had a run of games in a team performing well.

 

Vardy has only just started to peak at the top level and he is almost 29 and you want to write off a talatened youngster who hasn't really been given his chance for what ever reason, has hardly played consistent football in England, one of the reasons may be due to his physical side of the game I mean look at Albrighton last season he didn't start playing regular until the last quatre of the season as we like to make sure our players are match fit, strong and able to out perform others its one of the reasons of our success.

 

All I am trying to say is give him time, even if he doesn;'t blossom this season he is still only 24.

[volpeazzurro]

I was a lurker here for some time now, and to tell you the truth I never thought I would post anything, but this thread is just confusig the ... out of me. I just don't understand this love/hate thing that is going on here. There are so many posters that think Krama is crap, and as much that think he is great. Both views are strange to me, because there is only one fact that is undesputable here: he just didn't have the chance to prove himself. Maybe he will be Leicester legend, maybe he will be total flop.... it's just to soon to tell.

I am Croatian and I watched him week in, week out, and I know what he is capable of. I know that many of you will say that thet doesn't matter because Cro leauge is crap, and that is absolutely true, Croatian league IS crap, but.... just because it is crap, every now and then emerges a player that is waaay above that league (Modric, Rakitic, Mandzukic, ...). I am a big football fanatic and I have been following all the major european leagus for almost 30 years now, so I like to think I can recognise a great player when I see one.

That beeing said, I was sceptical when he signed for Leicester, because it was obvious that he would need some time to adapt to the pace of the EPL, and at that moment Leicester needed a finished player right then and there to escape the relegation. When Leicester went on to that amasing run last year that is still going, it was logical that neither Pearson or Ranieri wolud want to break the winning formula. I mean, even in Croatia nobody expects Krama to play when the team is doing so great, and Vardy is scoring for fun.

When/if he gets his chance, he will proove if he is good enough for Leicester or not. To have such extreme opinions right now is just ridiculous.

This is a very good measured and common sense post, you need to come on more often. No manager of note is going to disrupt a winning formula. Krameric therefore has not had a run of games in his favoured position which I'm led to believe is just off the main striker. He wasn't going to be the finished article when he got here and I'm suprised some people expected him to be possibly because of the price tag which was not his fault. Neither should we be suprised if he's frustrated at times, I'd be more suspicious of a player who was content to not play, particularly when they would have a chance of representing their country in the euros. Plus it's quite a culture change for a young man on his own who is possibly not well travelled. With Vardy possibly needing a rest for his own good tomorrow I see an ideal opportunity to give Krameric a game in his favoured position behind either Okazaki or Ulloa, absolutely nothing to lose in my opinion as we could learn such a lot.

[NGoloMode]

We know what Okazaki and Ulloa can do, nothing special really.

 

We don't know what Kramaric can do. He has started 6 games for us. 

 

Okazaki has scored 3 goals in 18 apps.

Kramaric has scored 4 goals in 20 apps.

 

So Kramaric who has been absolutely slated by Leicester fans has a better scoring record than Okazaki, who is are 2nd choice striker. 

 

Whaat?? Ulloa nothing special? He was our top scorer last season.

[Guest]

Whaat?? Ulloa nothing special? He was our top scorer last season.

Last season. When we were relegation fodder most of the year. Others have improved a lot more and we've brought in a better midfield.

[AjcW]

So i've just watched Goals on Sunday... going back to the random debate earlier in this thread... the ref gave it offside as soon as the ball went out.. what exactly was everyones complaint? It just took him a while because of the pace of the attack. 

[Sol thewall Bamba]

We know what Okazaki and Ulloa can do, nothing special really.

We don't know what Kramaric can do. He has started 6 games for us.

Okazaki has scored 3 goals in 18 apps.

Kramaric has scored 4 goals in 20 apps.

So Kramaric who has been absolutely slated by Leicester fans has a better scoring record than Okazaki, who is are 2nd choice striker.

Kram has scored three, of which one was in the Cup so that one doesn't count

[Riverfox]

This is a very good measured and common sense post, you need to come on more often. No manager of note is going to disrupt a winning formula. Krameric therefore has not had a run of games in his favoured position which I'm led to believe is just off the main striker. He wasn't going to be the finished article when he got here and I'm suprised some people expected him to be possibly because of the price tag which was not his fault. Neither should we be suprised if he's frustrated at times, I'd be more suspicious of a player who was content to not play, particularly when they would have a chance of representing their country in the euros. Plus it's quite a culture change for a young man on his own who is possibly not well travelled. With Vardy possibly needing a rest for his own good tomorrow I see an ideal opportunity to give Krameric a game in his favoured position behind either Okazaki or Ulloa, absolutely nothing to lose in my opinion as we could learn such a lot.

Thanks for that. I think that his best position would be in Okazaki position. Behind the striker role needs to be left to Mahrez. No need to change the system that works so well. Although, as I said before, when you have a winning formula, stick with it, so I can understand Ranieri playing Okazaki. He proved he knows what he is doing (Ranieri).

[Jordan]

why have an attacker who you want to be a better defender than attacker? sack it, bang Inler in there if you basically want to play 451 with a guy who doesn't carry much of an attacking threat in front of the 2 midfielders.

We want our forwards to hassle defenders, to press from the front, and either win or help our team win the ball high up the pitch to both spring quicker counter attacks and have the ball at moments where the opposing defenders are out of position. It's easier to achieve this using a more defensive forward than an attacking midfielder, especially with our personnel.