wattolcfc Posted 20 September 2015 Posted 20 September 2015 Ramos is a world class defender getting beat by a world class players De laet is a PL defener getting beat by PL players Point is they both try to win the ball and guess what, sometimes why it dont work, I guess thats why is a team game if you fail you "should" have team mates to cover...... Welcome to the forum Ritchie, hope this goes better than your attempt to win the ball yesterday...
Wymsey Posted 20 September 2015 Posted 20 September 2015 I though the scapegoat yesterday was Okazaki. Every time he attempts to get the ball, he nearly/often falls over, and unsteady on the ball. Quite unconvinced, but his workrate is cut-above most in the team imo.
filbertstreet Posted 20 September 2015 Posted 20 September 2015 I though the scapegoat yesterday was Okazaki. Every time he attempts to get the ball, he nearly/often falls over, and unsteady on the ball. Quite unconvinced, but his workrate is cut-above most in the team imo. Didn't he do an interview about that? Something about he tries so hard he forgets to stand up
Stadt Posted 20 September 2015 Posted 20 September 2015 have you ever thought that if he wasn't shit nobody would moan
filbertstreet Posted 20 September 2015 Posted 20 September 2015 have you ever thought that if he wasn't shit nobody would moan No this is foxestalk we need something to moan about
Fox92 Posted 21 September 2015 Posted 21 September 2015 New full back in January would be nice. Both fullbacks are weak links as I've said previously.
ALC Fox Posted 21 September 2015 Posted 21 September 2015 New full back in January would be nice. Both fullbacks are weak links as I've said previously. I'd agree with this. I love de Laet going forward but he gets beaten far, far too easily for me. But it's difficult to find an explosive, pacy full back who is good going forward and as a defender too. I'm sure Ranieri and the staff are on the case though, it surely won't have escape their attention. I've been a bit of a critic of Morgan as well at times and if he'd have made that mistake last season I'd be calling for him to be dropped. Now though, I actually think he's been excellent especially considering how busy he's been over the summer. I kind of want to see Benny in action against West Ham to see what he can do, but then part of me thinks not to change things too much as we could do with a cup run. Tough call really.
MattyFromLE Posted 21 September 2015 Posted 21 September 2015 Ritchie appears to have started a little slowly this year. As many have said, he's an asset going forward. One of his problems, is lack of cover. If Mahrez plays in front of him, he's left pretty exposed as Mahrez defensively offers very little. Some competition for his place might not be a bad idea.
Babylon Posted 21 September 2015 Posted 21 September 2015 One of his problems, is lack of cover. If Mahrez plays in front of him, he's left pretty exposed as Mahrez defensively offers very little. It doesn't help him, but some of his errors are inexcusable really. He's brought a championship naivety with him. He jumps in to early trying to win the ball, rather than just pressing his man. See Saturday, see the Van Persie goal at home last year. He does it so far up the pitch it leaves acres of space behind him. The most frustrating thing was once he got back to his man he didn't take him out. He could have just taken the booking there easily enough, the rest of the team seems to have got the art of fouling now. Chelsea and Man City were the masters of that when we played them in the cup a year or so ago, it really stuck with me how much they were prepared to give away an early foul to breakdown an attack.
sulfoxide Posted 21 September 2015 Posted 21 September 2015 Richie either needs more support in his defensive role & clearly Mahrez doesn't provide that,. Alternatively he needs to switch sides or be replaced. The manager says we can't keep liking behind...well then he needs to sort it!
Bamba's Babes Posted 21 September 2015 Posted 21 September 2015 For all this talk of RDL being good going forward, how often does he get forward? I think Jeff gets forward more than RDL. Once AGAIN braindead Ritchie is at fsult for the goal. Eee-orrrrr
EverybodyDannsNow Posted 21 September 2015 Posted 21 September 2015 He's clearly our weakest link, and it's a massive shame that the only alternative is an even worse player in Danny Simpson. I hope Benalouane gets played at right back for the West Ham game. He has looked a calamity so far, but he will know that the RB position is up for grabs so it's up to him to up his game and make the position his own
Captain... Posted 22 September 2015 Posted 22 September 2015 Hi guys, first off I've been a lurker on this forum for near on 10+ years but I finally have a good reason to post! I would really love if you all read this and think about it carefully before you respond! First off De Leat is Good! Ok, so in this world we have two types of defenders the ones that are I would say are steady eddies, they are 90% of the time in position, 90% of the time they don't get beat by there man BECAUSE they play safe they stand there man up/jockey and force them to pass it to the next man, thus consider there job done, which is fine if you want that from your team/players and looking to play a slow and possession style of play, now on the flip side there is another type of defender, the defender that commits himself to win the ball whole heartily (think sergio ramos) Now if you all football man like myself, we all would agree that ramos is a world class defender right? Now if you watch enough of ramos he don't always win the ball and gets beat and made to look silly sometimes, but does this make him a bad defender? example ----> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SzGHSmjTtiY ---- For a second forget the names and reputations of the players in the video, does this look like some one we know? Remember Im not comparing Ramos to De laet im just comparing styles and giving an example. Back on track, defenders that commit 100% to win the ball, gain you possession of the ball and put us on the front foot right away, rather than forcing your man to pass it and waiting for the other team to make a mistake, now wonder what type of football we play? Is it with pace and counter attack winning the ball back quick then breaking? What type of defender would suit this style I wonder? Can anyone remember the goal we got against man utd were de laet committed 100% to win the ball that lead to our important goal? Let's not forget the game was poised at 3-3 and could of maybe gone either way, but guess what de laet did what he does and committed himself to win the ball, would a steady eddie right back do that at 3-3 after being 3-1 down to man utd? I think a steady eddie would be happy to stay in postion and not make a mistake and get beat to the ball after getting back level with man utd after being 3-1 down ------- Skip to 5.50 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9PaERIW_m0 Damn if you want to watch the highlight previous to see him again in action! What I'm saying, the way we play he's a good defender he try's to win the ball and get us on the front rather that passing the buck, pretty sure if he wanted he could stand a yard of his man and force his man just to pass it because shit we all know none is going to turn then beat him for pace if he don't get tight and rolled!! Another point I would like to make is if De laet does go to win the ball and gets beat its not solely his fault, because if any of you know anything about football, a flat back is built around covering each other on the diagonal so if de laet gets beat huth comes across if huth gets beat morgan comes across if morgan gets beat the left back comes across etc etc, you gotta take the rough with the smooth! Now if I was the manager and I wanted to play high tempo counter attacking style at pace I would sure as hell as would want fullbacks with pace that attack and want to win the ball back rather than a steady Eddie that just jockeys his man. All comments welcome I completely agree with this and it goes back to what I was saying about risk vs reward. The incident against stoke was a risk, he tried to win the ball high up the field and then launch an attack from a very good position, did this early on before he had got the measure of his man and paid the price, he generally goes for these high risk tackles high up the pitch, because the risk is losing his man, but he is so far away from goal that there should be cover and he has the pace to get back. Same with Villa's second goal, it was a risk to bomb on leaving the right back area exposed, but we had possession and he had just passed it to our best player, of course there is a risk that he will give the ball away but you can't play without risk, if you do you end up not scoring for 6 games as Pearson found out about this time last year. Yes he can improve and I really hope he does, but I want him to continue playing a high risk attacking game rather than being risk free and sitting back hoping not to concede, goals win matches.
foxes21 Posted 16 January 2016 Posted 16 January 2016 De laet's biggest contribution to the team in last 6 months was holding Vardy and his wild missus back from the Japanese gambler in the casino ! lol
Jimmy Posted 16 January 2016 Posted 16 January 2016 bringing De Laet on for Okazaki baffled everyone including the players today, sent the wrong message, if De Laet had to come on as Riyad wasn't doing his defensive job well then take Riyad off. That said De Laet played a perfect ball for Ulloa who completely missed it worse then some school kids would when he should have made it 2-0
Father Ted Posted 16 January 2016 Posted 16 January 2016 We were getting raped down that left, De Laet came on and neutralised Cissokho, so his job was complete. Just that Ranieri chose the wrong man to go off.
Bamba's Babes Posted 16 January 2016 Posted 16 January 2016 bringing De Laet on for Okazaki baffled everyone including the players today, sent the wrong message, if De Laet had to come on as Riyad wasn't doing his defensive job well then take Riyad off. That said De Laet played a perfect ball for Ulloa who completely missed it worse then some school kids would when he should have made it 2-0 It wasn't perfect because he had to check. Regardless, the Chilean Tranny would have missed anyway.
Len Finsbury Posted 16 January 2016 Posted 16 January 2016 bringing De Laet on for Okazaki baffled everyone including the players today, sent the wrong message, if De Laet had to come on as Riyad wasn't doing his defensive job well then take Riyad off. That said De Laet played a perfect ball for Ulloa who completely missed it worse then some school kids would when he should have made it 2-0 I think Okazaki was injured. It was his loss that allowed Villa into the game. I doubt Ranieri would have taken Okazaki off for tactical reasons as he offers more in the centre defensively than Mahrez does.
The Doctor Posted 16 January 2016 Posted 16 January 2016 We were getting raped down that left, De Laet came on and neutralised Cissokho, so his job was complete. Just that Ranieri chose the wrong man to go off. Correct - de laet was good today but we were carrying mahrez while okazaki was destroying them. Good decision to bring him on but wrong execution
ScouseFox Posted 16 January 2016 Posted 16 January 2016 deffo our best player of the second half. stopped anything going down the right for us, and was actually better than mahrez was going forward
Dr The Singh Posted 16 January 2016 Posted 16 January 2016 If we won the match today, alot of people would have said that was a astute substitution, as he made us more solid at the back. He offered very little going forward, created nothing
The Doctor Posted 16 January 2016 Posted 16 January 2016 If we won the match today, alot of people would have said that was a astute substitution, as he made us more solid at the back. He offered very little going forward, created nothing Put in a ball that would have given Ulloa a goal on a plate if he'd been alert and attacked it rather than waited for it to come to him. Looked reasonable, although needs to cut out the runs straight into traffic.
Webbo Posted 16 January 2016 Posted 16 January 2016 I think Okazaki was injured. It was his loss that allowed Villa into the game. I doubt Ranieri would have taken Okazaki off for tactical reasons as he offers more in the centre defensively than Mahrez does. I hope it was that and not Ranieri pandering to a star player.
Grewks Posted 16 January 2016 Posted 16 January 2016 Any criticism for de laet today should be aimed at raneiri....he put him right wing. I thought he did what he was asked to do.....stop their right side, and we did. They didn't go down that side the rest of the game, and he even put our most dangerous cross into the box to ulloa.
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