Captain... Posted 9 December 2015 Posted 9 December 2015 Nope you can be done for cyber bullying etc There is a difference between freedom of speech and cyber-bullying/trolling, you are free to express yourself on many platforms, but should you repeatedly and aggressively "express yourself" at one individual then it is not about freedom of speech any more but harassment.
Smudge Posted 9 December 2015 Posted 9 December 2015 Well it must be bad when Boris Johnson has come out and said that he would avoid parts of New York for fear of bumping into him. I know how you feel Boris. I avoid London. https://soundcloud.com/huffpostmorningemail/the-morning-email-december-9-2015 Shame that Ken, I was hoping it was a studio mix of Boris Blood.
Harry - LCFC Posted 9 December 2015 Posted 9 December 2015 The unfortunate thing is a lot of people are not well informed. They don't go out of their little bubble to find out whether what their Dad, Pastor, Politician, News Reader is saying is true. Now if there was full information available to all and people were rational, then I'd agree. However, there isn't and people are not. Therefore, there has to be some level of controls on speech. I think you walk a very dangerous path when you start justifying the banning of specific views by labelling them 'dangerous'. You set a precedent by doing so: It would become accepted that the expression of certain opinions has to be prevented as they might, supposedly, cause harm. A society engaging in this sort of self-regulation would then need to ask itself a second question: What constitutes a dangerous opinion? Who will decide which opinions are dangerous and which aren't? It certainly won't be you. With student unions demanding that strict forms of political correctness be enforced on campus who knows how far the politicians of the future will be prepared to go in their desire to 'protect' the general public from 'dangerous' opinions? The best way to control this potentially society-destroying sequence from occurring is to never allow it to start in the first place. The reality is, of course, that no opinion on it's own is dangerous. It's an individual's decision to act upon these opinions that is dangerous - they are the people who have done harm, they are the people who need to be dealt with by the law.
Christoph Posted 9 December 2015 Posted 9 December 2015 Voted trump for jokes. Think everyone else has as well
bovril Posted 9 December 2015 Posted 9 December 2015 While some publicly insult Muslims, others extrajudicially kill them.
Dr The Singh Posted 9 December 2015 Posted 9 December 2015 Ban Trump from the UK http://news.sky.com/story/1602440/100000-sign-ban-trump-from-uk-petition Why bother, when he is power, we will be welcoming him by vaselining our arseholes, just like we did with the Indian PM, who was banned when he was just a MP, for his statements and implications to the death of thousands of Muslims. Now, Cameron got onto all 4's all lubed up
MPH Posted 9 December 2015 Posted 9 December 2015 Of course, he can say whatever he wants. Doesn't mean there doesn't have to be consequences. He is spouting awful shite. I had enough of hearing Rush on the news constantly, now this imbecile is 10x worse. Is it just for effect? Is he 'trolling'? Who knows, who cares, he is being an ass. If there's consequences then there's a price to pay for your speech. ts not really 'free' speech is it... And you know, you might actually have a point when it comes to the trolling.... he DOES have a very good business mind, well.. every one is talking about him and he hasn't had to pay for any commercials/ adverts... even people on a football internet forum in England!!. The worrying thing is .. who actually is it that he's genuinely appealing to so far... He's feeding off of some peoples fears and concerns. He's a repulsive man but i hate to see it, quite clever in how he's appealing to people... But people are concerned he's a target so far? wait to see how the Muslim world would react if he got elected....
Izzy Posted 9 December 2015 Posted 9 December 2015 https://www.facebook.com/LovehelloU/videos/1297393860326069/
leicsmac Posted 10 December 2015 Posted 10 December 2015 Freedom to take the consequences is the freedom on which all the others are based. Of course Trump should be free to speak his mind, but he should also be accountable for every word that he says and as a result the consequences of people believing and acting on what he says. There's a lot of people who fail to understand how important words are to the impressionable, especially those spoken by people in power or who are supposedly trustworthy.
Bellend Sebastian Posted 10 December 2015 Posted 10 December 2015 You just know that there'll come a point, after another dodgy diatribe based on made up stats, where the hair goes "f*** this", leaps from his head and makes a break for the exit
Merging Cultures Posted 10 December 2015 Posted 10 December 2015 If there's consequences then there's a price to pay for your speech. ts not really 'free' speech is it... And you know, you might actually have a point when it comes to the trolling.... he DOES have a very good business mind, well.. every one is talking about him and he hasn't had to pay for any commercials/ adverts... even people on a football internet forum in England!!. The worrying thing is .. who actually is it that he's genuinely appealing to so far... He's feeding off of some peoples fears and concerns. He's a repulsive man but i hate to see it, quite clever in how he's appealing to people... But people are concerned he's a target so far? wait to see how the Muslim world would react if he got elected.... That's why I said free speech is an illusion. You can say what you want, but you may end up in trouble.
Merging Cultures Posted 10 December 2015 Posted 10 December 2015 Freedom to take the consequences is the freedom on which all the others are based. Of course Trump should be free to speak his mind, but he should also be accountable for every word that he says and as a result the consequences of people believing and acting on what he says. There's a lot of people who fail to understand how important words are to the impressionable, especially those spoken by people in power or who are supposedly trustworthy. Very well put.
Webbo Posted 10 December 2015 Posted 10 December 2015 Freedom to take the consequences is the freedom on which all the others are based. Of course Trump should be free to speak his mind, but he should also be accountable for every word that he says and as a result the consequences of people believing and acting on what he says. There's a lot of people who fail to understand how important words are to the impressionable, especially those spoken by people in power or who are supposedly trustworthy. the amount of pro immigration, islam means peace messages out number any negative messages 100 to 1. If it was as simple hearing somebody saying something and people instantly believing it thered be perpetual peace.i seriously doubt anyone has changed their mind due to anything Trump says, theres no evidence that what he's said has caused any damage. I find it far more worrying the intolerance , censorship and conformism amongst so many people now. Criticise what he says by all means but banning?
Samilktray Posted 10 December 2015 Posted 10 December 2015 Snoop Dogg got banned from this country because 1 of his pals had a scrap in an airport. if we allow this white devil into the country then we've officially lost the plot.
leicsmac Posted 10 December 2015 Posted 10 December 2015 the amount of pro immigration, islam means peace messages out number any negative messages 100 to 1. If it was as simple hearing somebody saying something and people instantly believing it thered be perpetual peace. i seriously doubt anyone has changed their mind due to anything Trump says, theres no evidence that what he's said has caused any damage. I find it far more worrying the intolerance , censorship and conformism amongst so many people now. Criticise what he says by all means but banning? If his message is so outnumbered, why has he gone from strength to strength in the polls? Evidently he's either reinforcing the views of many or getting people to change their minds. If you have someone as influential as he saying that a particular type of behaviour is ok, then impressionable people are far more likely to keep believing that it is ok, and may even be inspired to take action based on those beliefs.I totally think that he shouldn't be banned from speaking in the US or the UK, but if his words result in someone going and doing something terrible as the inspiration, he should be held fully accountable and face the consequences.
Jon the Hat Posted 10 December 2015 Posted 10 December 2015 As someone pointed out the other day, "I speak my mind" invariably means " I talk complete crap I just thought of"
Detroit Blues Posted 10 December 2015 Posted 10 December 2015 The way the political system is set up in America with the two-party system, if there is a major republican candidate who runs as an independent, he essentially hands the election to the democrats (or vice versa). We saw that in 1992 when Ross Perot took away enough republican votes from George H.W Bush which resulted in Bill Clinton getting elected. We also saw it in 2000 when Ralph Nader took enough votes from Al Gore in Florida to hand the election to George W Bush. It will be interesting to see how the whole Trump thing plays out. While he is an ignorant and despicable human being, he does have a strong following among a portion of republican voters. If the part rallies around another candidate, and he doesn't get the primary nod, he could independently finance an election campaign that would almost assuredly hand the election to Hilary or Bernie Sanders. That's why he has the Republican Party by the balls. If they call him out on his racist, facist, xenophobic views, they will isolate a large portion of republican voters and they might push him into running as an independent.
Guest MattP Posted 10 December 2015 Posted 10 December 2015 If his message is so outnumbered, why has he gone from strength to strength in the polls? Evidently he's either reinforcing the views of many or getting people to change their minds. If you have someone as influential as he saying that a particular type of behaviour is ok, then impressionable people are far more likely to keep believing that it is ok, and may even be inspired to take action based on those beliefs. I totally think that he shouldn't be banned from speaking in the US or the UK, but if his words result in someone going and doing something terrible as the inspiration, he should be held fully accountable and face the consequences. Out of interest, what has Trump actually said that would incite someone to commit a violent act?
Carl the Llama Posted 10 December 2015 Posted 10 December 2015 Out of interest, what has Trump actually said that would incite someone to commit a violent act? You mean apart from his comments about preventing people from entering the USA based on their religion? Comments which, even if you accept that they are made with the best interests of the citizens of the USA at heart, any sane person can see only serve to fuel the growing radicalist propaganda machine in the middle east by both providing them with ammo for their e-zines and alienating members of his own population? (The violent acts come afterwards)
Webbo Posted 10 December 2015 Posted 10 December 2015 So if you say something even without calling for violence somebody might eventually want to commit violence because of it? You could extrapolate that to anybody saying any thing . Its basically censorship against anyone you don't like.
lgfualol Posted 10 December 2015 Posted 10 December 2015 If Trump gets in 2017 will be eventful, he would probably cause the apocalypse.
Webbo Posted 10 December 2015 Posted 10 December 2015 If Trump gets in 2017 will be eventful, he would probably cause the apocalypse. i remember the same being said about Reagan and he ended the cold war. America is not run by idiots no matter what you hear.
Carl the Llama Posted 10 December 2015 Posted 10 December 2015 So if you say something even without calling for violence somebody might eventually want to commit violence because of it? You could extrapolate that to anybody saying any thing . Its basically censorship against anyone you don't like. So indirectly contributing to the radicalisation process is any better?
Webbo Posted 10 December 2015 Posted 10 December 2015 So indirectly contributing to the radicalisation process is any better? Or you could argue that by not saying anything youre showing weakness, encouraging radicalisation. So should we ban any "islam is a peaceful religion" statements? The democrats are going to make a big deal out of it because they are their electoral rivals. The rest of us dont have to take it seriously.
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