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Ozwin

Schlupp - West Brom

By Ozwin, in Transfer Talk

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Guest Col city fan

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4 minutes ago, ttfn said:

Weren't we about 7th and an absolute shambles defensively when Fuchs finally came into the team? We were much better once Schlupp was dropped - I thought that much was obvious and universally agreed?

 

As it stands Schlupp isn't going to get in the 18. He's a perfectly adequate PL left winger, a risky choice at left wing back and a horror show at left back.

 

I wouldn't agree with others who say that Gray and Kaputska should be ahead of him (yet), but the reality is that they are and £12 million is a lot of money for a reserve.

 

His one quantifiable asset is pace and we've got other players who can provide that.

 

Have I got this wrong or wasn't Schlupp used as a wing back by Pearson in the great escape, played most of the final matches and was pretty sensational? Every bit as good and important to the side as fans favorite Cambiclasso who was also pretty sensational in the run in.

Or is it good to mention the latter, but not the former?

CC star has it spot on. Schlupp is about the only player at the club who can beat a defender on the OUTSIDE and whip in a super low cross. Albrighton cuts in, Mahrez usually cuts in and Gray is looking like he wants to cut in more often.

Its not only about Schlupp's pace, it's how he uses that pace that's different.

12 million quid for us at present is nothing. If you went back ten years, it'd be like giving him away for a million. He's better than that.

imo.

Countryfox

Countryfox

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46 minutes ago, lgfualol said:

If Schlupp played for someone else would anyone here be happy paying £12m for him? 

Good comment ...   but totally irrelevant.    It doesn't matter what any other club would pay for him ...   we've got him and we should keep him.

Guest MattP

Guest MattP

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34 minutes ago, cc_star said:

He consistently played LB in a team that shot to the top of the table for almost all of the first half of a title winning season, and that's not even his better position, in the second half of the season he came off the bench frequently and made a difference in the team that were crowned Champions

 

He provides an option off the bench that we don't have elsewhere. Gray is very similar to Mahrez, constantly cutting-in and looking to curl it into the far post and a bit lightweight defensively. Albrighton works fantastically hard and has a cross on him... And Kaputsko is a complete unknown quantity for us.

 

£12m in the bank means absolutely nothing when we're Champions of the country & all the earning potential that brings, have an unprecedented TV deal and are straight into the Champions League group stages with all that revenue

 

IMO the only position we're stronger than last year is GK, while Musa, Mendy & Hernandez are unproven for us... This means we could be entering the new campaign weaker than last season. Absolutely ridiculous & gross mismanagement of the situation we're in.

 

Well that's a lie.

 

It was when Fuchs and Simpson came in we put together a run that saw us head towards the top of the table, Schulpp was long gone from the team by then.

okie fox

okie fox

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1 minute ago, Col city fan said:

 

CC star has it spot on. Schlupp is about the only player at the club who can beat a defender on the OUTSIDE and whip in a super low cross. Albrighton cuts in, Mahrez usually cuts in and Gray is looking like he wants to cut in more often.

Its not only about Schlupp's pace, it's how he uses that pace that's different.

I was just about to say that.  But wasn't Schlupp being played on the right in a friendly?  I don't see the point of playing both wingers on their unnatural sides.  It just crowds the middle.

Guest ttfn

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1 minute ago, Col city fan said:

Have I got this wrong or wasn't Schlupp used as a wing back by Pearson in the great escape, played most of the final matches and was pretty sensational? Every bit as good and important to the side as fans favorite Cambiclasso who was also pretty sensational in the run in.

Or is it good to mention the latter, but not the former?

CC star has it spot on. Schlupp is about the only player at the club who can beat a defender on the OUTSIDE and whip in a super low cross. Albrighton cuts in, Mahrez usually cuts in and Gray is looking like he wants to cut in more often.

Its not only about Schlupp's pace, it's how he uses that pace that's different.

12 million quid for us at present is nothing. If you went back ten years, it'd be like giving him away for a million. He's better than that.

imo.

Schlupp did play well in "the Great Escape" (although I'd argue nowhere near as well as you seem to be suggesting). Perhaps my assessment of a wing back is harsh though.

 

As a defender, he's not good enough. Last year he played 8 league games at left back in which we conceded 16 goals. In the 30 he didn't play there we conceded 20. Maybe under Pulis he will improve and become the ultimate mix of power and defensive intelligence but I won't be holding my breath.

 

As for Schlupp being the only player at the club who can "beat a defender on the outside and whip in a super low cross", we've seen Albrighton and Mahrez both do that from the right and only on Saturday Musa did it a couple of times from the left.

 

£12 million is not "nothing". We've just bought somebody who we obviously consider an upgrade for less than that - clearly we think that value is still there to be had if we look for it.

cc_star

cc_star

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12 minutes ago, ttfn said:

Weren't we about 7th and an absolute shambles defensively when Fuchs finally came into the team? We were much better once Schlupp was dropped - I thought that much was obvious and universally agreed?

 

As it stands Schlupp isn't going to get in the 18. He's a perfectly adequate PL left winger, a risky choice at left wing back and a horror show at left back.

 

I wouldn't agree with others who say that Gray and Kaputska should be ahead of him (yet), but the reality is that they are and £12 million is a lot of money for a reserve.

 

His one quantifiable asset is pace and we've got other players who can provide that.

 

 

£12m does nothing for us as Champions, with Champion's promo opportunities, with this TV deal & with the Champions league... and Kante's £30m+ in the bank

 

And as for pace elsewhere? Not on the wing we don't, we have Mahrez' trickery, Gray's unproven trickery & Albrighton's graft, that's it..... Wafer thin when we have a minimum of six extra games before Christmas alone

Guest MattP

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4 minutes ago, ttfn said:

Schlupp did play well in "the Great Escape" (although I'd argue nowhere near as well as you seem to be suggesting). Perhaps my assessment of a wing back is harsh though.

 

As a defender, he's not good enough. Last year he played 8 league games at left back in which we conceded 16 goals. In the 30 he didn't play there we conceded 20. Maybe under Pulis he will improve and become the ultimate mix of power and defensive intelligence but I won't be holding my breath.

 

As for Schlupp being the only player at the club who can "beat a defender on the outside and whip in a super low cross", we've seen Albrighton and Mahrez both do that from the right and only on Saturday Musa did it a couple of times from the left.

 

£12 million is not "nothing". We've just bought somebody who we obviously consider an upgrade for less than that - clearly we think that value is still there to be had if we look for it.

I know RDL and Schlupp were bad as our full backs but that's an unreal statistic. lol Conceding two a game to two every three games!

Guest Col city fan

Guest Col city fan

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13 minutes ago, The Horse's Mouth said:

I love how it's a positive that Schlupp was apart of a defence that couldn't keep a clean sheet until like October. 

'Like' October?

Was it October or not? Like.

Guest ttfn

Guest ttfn

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Just now, cc_star said:

 

£12m does nothing for us as Champions, with Champion's promo opportunities, with this TV deal & with the Champions league... and Kante's £30m+ in the bank

 

And as for pace elsewhere? Not on the wing we don't, we have Mahrez' trickery, Gray's unproven trickery & Albrighton's graft, that's it..... Wafer thin when we have a minimum of six extra games before Christmas alone

£12 million doesn't "do nothing". The question is, does £12 million (which would pay Vardy and Mahrez' wages for a whole year, for example) compensate for the loss of a guy who is, barring heavy rotation or an unprecedented injury list, unlikely to start more than a handful of first team games for us. The comparison to Deeney and Ighalo (forgive me if its not yours) is totally inappropriate - they are Watford's key players: "brand names" you associate with that club as well as being massively important figures in the first XI.

 

Do you really think if we told Gray to cut out the tricks he couldn't do the Schlupp job of running fast in a straight line? Or even if you don't think Gray is fast enough, that Musa couldn't do the same thing?

 

It's like you're holding Mahrez and Gray's ability to do something other than run head down and dribble the ball out for a goal kick against them. They're good, fast players with the ability to go either side of the full back.

The Horse's Mouth

The Horse's Mouth

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Also we're better off cashing in now while he has a bit of a premium on him of being a premier league winner. If he doesn't go this summer, he'll go next and I doubt we'll get anywhere near 12 mill next time, especially as the likelihood of him getting enough games is very slim.

MPH

MPH

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1 hour ago, Col city fan said:

Have I got this wrong or wasn't Schlupp used as a wing back by Pearson in the great escape, played most of the final matches and was pretty sensational? Every bit as good and important to the side as fans favorite Cambiclasso who was also pretty sensational in the run in.

Or is it good to mention the latter, but not the former?

CC star has it spot on. Schlupp is about the only player at the club who can beat a defender on the OUTSIDE and whip in a super low cross. Albrighton cuts in, Mahrez usually cuts in and Gray is looking like he wants to cut in more often.

Its not only about Schlupp's pace, it's how he uses that pace that's different.

12 million quid for us at present is nothing. If you went back ten years, it'd be like giving him away for a million. He's better than that.

imo.

 

1 hour ago, okie fox said:

I was just about to say that.  But wasn't Schlupp being played on the right in a friendly?  I don't see the point of playing both wingers on their unnatural sides.  It just crowds the middle.

 

 

I cant help but think we are discouraging our players from beating them on the outside as cutting in and splitting the defence utilizes the pace of the strikers more.... and playing wingers in their 'unnatural sides' probably plays in to what i was thinking....

Monsell1976

Monsell1976

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No issue if Jeff goes and is replaced by better quality.

The issue I would have is, we sell and don't replace him.

We for me haven't added enough this summer, we are playing at a higher level playing in the champions league, and we should be adding better quality in the starting 11, and squad.

I don't know if we are trying to recruit and struggling, or we are not looking to add

DANGEROUS TIGER

DANGEROUS TIGER

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1 hour ago, Wymeswold fox said:

Will miss the funny things he has done.

Oh yes, like the day he tied his boot laces together, and thought he was paralysed. 

 

Only joking Geoffrey!  :D

m4DD0gg

m4DD0gg

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3 minutes ago, HankMarvin said:

donuts and clappers for the next 10 years

anyone would think the shipmans are back in town

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