Sol thewall Bamba Posted 21 July 2016 Posted 21 July 2016 Gutted. We should do a Hull when NP came back here, flat out refuse to do any business with Everton in terms of transfers.
Soar Fox Posted 21 July 2016 Posted 21 July 2016 As good as Walsh has been with us, will it be as easy for him at Everton with where their new owner wants to be. I'm sure Everton and their fans think they will start making a load of signings and start competing for the premiership now. But at Leicester expectations were different and the players we signed were allowed to come in and have a settling in period, Vardy first season very inconsistent, Mahrez the same in our first season in the premiership, Kante yes was outstanding. Will Everton be patient enough or will they want instant successes?
shade Posted 21 July 2016 Posted 21 July 2016 okay I'll put it out there, is our scouting actually amazing? mahrez - yes it was amazing but they weren't there to look at him. vardy - yes very good but lots of other clubs were aware of him, we just took a chance and it almost didn't pay off. kramaric - Chelsea also wanted him. huth - everyone knew him gray - everyone knew about his potential, not really an undiscovered gem. kante - yes this was good scouting, checking his stats, and it came good fuchs - established international albrighton - known about, villa didn't want him. I guess what I'm saying is, are we claiming he was good at finding players, or that he had a good eye for players that would fit in? surely the latter is easily replaced?
inckley fox Posted 21 July 2016 Posted 21 July 2016 This is more in response to the guy in the other Walsh thread who felt that the board were being naive where Walsh was concerned, and Rudkin. Firstly, I'm not sure we can think of things in terms of Walsh vs. Rudkin. It's possible that Rudkin has done a fine job, that we couldn't have attained Kante without him offering that clause. It's also a part of having had the most incredible season that any club in history has ever had that our planning, a year or two back, wouldn't have accounted for this. On top of that, Andy King gets all sorts of credit - rightly, at times - for having been a loyal servant. He's excused games, months, whole seasons of below-par form because of his loyalty. It's possible, on account of us not knowing precisely what goes on behind closed doors, that Rudkin may deserve some of that patience as well. On the other hand, I don't think it's unreasonable to question the board, including Rudkin, at times like this. After all, our net spend - up to now - under this board isn't astonishingly high (we'll have to see where our transfer activity takes us over the next few weeks to see if that changes). The reason why our season was so exceptional was that our wage bill and spending was that of a side which should have been scrambling for survival. There's a danger that a cult grows up around the board because of how well some of their decision-making, rather than investment, has worked out. After all, they may or may not have allowed Pearson to be moved aside in the summer of 2010, then had to back-track 15 months later. As for Ranieri, he announced his interest in joining us, rather than the other way around; they simply appointed one of - if not the first big name to make himself available. So their expertise isn't necessarily as immense as we think it is. But whoever was responsible for keeping Walsh and Shakespeare on for a year - be it the owners or Rudkin - did a tremendous job. Our title depended on that decision, I suspect. It's a shame it couldn't have lasted a little longer, but if we move fast to stop our targets becoming Everton's targets - and take this opportunity to expand our squad, reduce its average age and bring in players who normally would be stolen from under our noses - then his legacy will go on.
foxinsocks Posted 21 July 2016 Posted 21 July 2016 When a sales guy leaves for a competitor it is normal to insist on 3mths garden leave so their leads go cold It will be mad if everton start bidding against us for all our targets Surely susan needs to be firmer here?
Sharpe's Fox Posted 21 July 2016 Posted 21 July 2016 Pretty gutting to see one of the main players of our success leaving, especially to a club languishing in the bottom half and who are really just making up the numbers these days. Like someone said, though, he is in a different role and coming up to retirement age now so combine that with Everton will be expecting a higher degree of player with experience and you can bet the appointment will have no bearing on Evertons ability to scout unearthed players for the long term like we did.
Staffs Fox Posted 21 July 2016 Posted 21 July 2016 Can understand why people are annoyed because he signed another contract 2 months ago but this is a big promotion for him, any of us would probably do the same, A Director of Football is a huge deal at a football club and on the Continent where it is used more commonly is just as important as the manager. It's a bit different to Head Scout. Gutted you've gone Steve, thanks for all you've done to help this club get where it is today
LanguedocFox Posted 21 July 2016 Posted 21 July 2016 10 minutes ago, shade said: okay I'll put it out there, is our scouting actually amazing? mahrez - yes it was amazing but they weren't there to look at him. vardy - yes very good but lots of other clubs were aware of him, we just took a chance and it almost didn't pay off. kramaric - Chelsea also wanted him. huth - everyone knew him gray - everyone knew about his potential, not really an undiscovered gem. kante - yes this was good scouting, checking his stats, and it came good fuchs - established international albrighton - known about, villa didn't want him. I guess what I'm saying is, are we claiming he was good at finding players, or that he had a good eye for players that would fit in? surely the latter is easily replaced? Somewhat ungrateful, but possibly correct. You've missed the fact that Kanté was (apparently) second choice after Nice turned down our bid for Mendy. Now we've got Mendy...
Babylon Posted 21 July 2016 Posted 21 July 2016 1 minute ago, LanguedocFox said: Somewhat ungrateful, but possibly correct. You've missed the fact that Kanté was (apparently) second choice after Nice turned down our bid for Mendy. Now we've got Mendy... Kante was the first choice when Pearson was here, we bid on him before Ranieri even arrived.... when he did we went after Mendy, and the stuff about him started appearing.
Lcfc_lass10 Posted 21 July 2016 Posted 21 July 2016 Makes me feel a little sick looking at pictures from last season, seeing how happy everyone was. Then now, seeing pictures of Kante & Walsh with new clubs.
ScouseFox Posted 21 July 2016 Posted 21 July 2016 17 minutes ago, shade said: okay I'll put it out there, is our scouting actually amazing? mahrez - yes it was amazing but they weren't there to look at him. vardy - yes very good but lots of other clubs were aware of him, we just took a chance and it almost didn't pay off. kramaric - Chelsea also wanted him. huth - everyone knew him gray - everyone knew about his potential, not really an undiscovered gem. kante - yes this was good scouting, checking his stats, and it came good fuchs - established international albrighton - known about, villa didn't want him. I guess what I'm saying is, are we claiming he was good at finding players, or that he had a good eye for players that would fit in? surely the latter is easily replaced? we signed arguably the three best players in england, if not europe last season for about 6 million quid. let's not pretend that we haven't made some sensational signings in the past 4 or 5 years.
Gerard Posted 21 July 2016 Posted 21 July 2016 I'm not a disappointed as I thought I would be, he's been involved in some great signings but his pearls of wisdom this year were Deeney and Brady for £50m. Maybe I'm clutching at straws but his best work may be behind him?
daddylonglegs Posted 21 July 2016 Posted 21 July 2016 16 minutes ago, shade said: okay I'll put it out there, is our scouting actually amazing? mahrez - yes it was amazing but they weren't there to look at him. vardy - yes very good but lots of other clubs were aware of him, we just took a chance and it almost didn't pay off. kramaric - Chelsea also wanted him. huth - everyone knew him gray - everyone knew about his potential, not really an undiscovered gem. kante - yes this was good scouting, checking his stats, and it came good fuchs - established international albrighton - known about, villa didn't want him. I guess what I'm saying is, are we claiming he was good at finding players, or that he had a good eye for players that would fit in? surely the latter is easily replaced? I'll put it out there, would you be saying this if he hadn't just left? Every one of those he would have had a big say in, and every one has been immensely succesful apart from Kramaric. He'll be missed. Think, as with Kante, we need to be grateful and move on.
Babylon Posted 21 July 2016 Posted 21 July 2016 15 minutes ago, shade said: okay I'll put it out there, is our scouting actually amazing? mahrez - yes it was amazing but they weren't there to look at him. vardy - yes very good but lots of other clubs were aware of him, we just took a chance and it almost didn't pay off. kramaric - Chelsea also wanted him. huth - everyone knew him gray - everyone knew about his potential, not really an undiscovered gem. kante - yes this was good scouting, checking his stats, and it came good fuchs - established international albrighton - known about, villa didn't want him. I guess what I'm saying is, are we claiming he was good at finding players, or that he had a good eye for players that would fit in? surely the latter is easily replaced? He's been good at both, he's done well to get players who would make the step up and to blend castoffs into a team. This goes back further than last year, it goes back to league one and the championship. There are going to be very few players out there who other clubs don't know about in this day and age. It's about taking the risk, picking the players you think can step up a level and fitting them together.
m4DD0gg Posted 21 July 2016 Posted 21 July 2016 Thanks and all that but this guy isnt even going to be able to take a sh1t in peace without the big clubs bidding on every player everton go for.
Babylon Posted 21 July 2016 Posted 21 July 2016 1 minute ago, Gerard said: I'm not a disappointed as I thought I would be, he's been involved in some great signings but his pearls of wisdom this year were Deeney and Brady for £50m. Maybe I'm clutching at straws but his best work may be behind him? We've signed neither of those players though, perhaps because we walked away from the prices quoted!!! If we'd signed Deeney he could have been sensational for us. We can't slate him for signings we haven't made and will never actually see how they'd have fit in.
Dan Posted 21 July 2016 Posted 21 July 2016 22 minutes ago, shade said: okay I'll put it out there, is our scouting actually amazing? mahrez - yes it was amazing but they weren't there to look at him. vardy - yes very good but lots of other clubs were aware of him, we just took a chance and it almost didn't pay off. kramaric - Chelsea also wanted him. huth - everyone knew him gray - everyone knew about his potential, not really an undiscovered gem. kante - yes this was good scouting, checking his stats, and it came good fuchs - established international albrighton - known about, villa didn't want him. I guess what I'm saying is, are we claiming he was good at finding players, or that he had a good eye for players that would fit in? surely the latter is easily replaced? Easy to say now. Compare it to other clubs of our size who have blown money on utter mediocrity and I think you really have to appreciate what he brought to us.
AjcW Posted 21 July 2016 Posted 21 July 2016 It's alright lads, the club have now tweeted about some twelve year olds playing in a tennis tournament... their announcement must be right around the corner... always good to let it trend on twitter for a bit first... ITS NOT ROCKET SCIENCE!! Jesus Christ (angry digital marketer.. apologies)
Larry_LCFC Posted 21 July 2016 Posted 21 July 2016 **** sake Why can't people at our club just be happy with what we are achieving and stay to see the story tthrough. Anything is possible. Massive loss.
Gerard Posted 21 July 2016 Posted 21 July 2016 1 minute ago, Babylon said: We've signed neither of those players though, perhaps because we walked away from the prices quoted!!! If we'd signed Deeney he could have been sensational for us. We can't slate him for signings we haven't made and will never actually see how they'd have fit in. I'm not slating him but trying to convince myself that at 63 and suggestions of Deeney and Brady his best work may be behind him. Hopefully he's left us a nice parting gift with the four signings we've made this season. An Agent Walsh bidding £20m for Inler & Benalouane as well.
Sammy Posted 21 July 2016 Posted 21 July 2016 Say what you like about John Rudkin but the way these things drag on really softens the blow when someone leaving becomes official, still gutted and grateful for everything Walsh has helped with in our club
Recommended Posts
Archived
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.