CosbehFox Posted 21 July 2016 Posted 21 July 2016 15 minutes ago, AjcW said: Wonder if lack of comment from our end shows the clubs dislike of the way this all went down.... or it's just the usual ineptness and i'm reading too much into it? I'm not surprised but surely now would be the time for a public statement from the owners/board?
indierich06 Posted 21 July 2016 Posted 21 July 2016 This is a big loss for us, but it doesn't have to be a disaster. The scouting department will continue to run the same way even though he's gone, and we'll continue to do things the right way. I would be genuinely interested to know if Walsh actually identified targets like Kante for example, or if it was a result of team scouting and he was the one pushing for the signings? I know that he scouted Mahrez after spotting him 'by mistake' but there's nothing to say that another scout attending the game wouldn't have been similarly impressed by Riyad? If you'll all cast your minds backs, we also lost Wrigglesworth and McKenzie over the past season or so - both were less known and there was less publicity around them leaving, but they were both highly rated and both rumoured to be key in the scouting of Mahrez and Kante - yet the scouting department has continued to function and we've signed some players so far this season who look very promising indeed. I think people who are saying we'll end up getting relegated, or that Everton will be winning the league within a season might be over-egging it a bit to be honest - provided the scouting department continues to operate in the same way, there's no reason why we can't continue to unearth talented players. The appointment of our new Head of Recruitment - whether it's promotion from within or an external candidate - is very important now, IMO it has to be someone who is willing to work within the system we've created over the past few years, rather than coming in and trying to reinvent the wheel. I think Claudio recognises that, and I think the owners do too.
Mark_w Posted 21 July 2016 Posted 21 July 2016 34 minutes ago, jit said: Don't think he is as much of a hero as everyone makes out. There's a big team of backroom staff who don't get the recognition they deserve. For every Kante, Vardy and Mahrez there's a Neilson, Alex Bruce, Nicky Adams, McGivern, Miquel, Whitbread, Upson, Nick Powell, Kramaric, Fuctas, Kermorgant, N'Guessan. Was Waghorn (cost a fortune) or has Matty James been a succesfull signing? Has Matty James been a successful signing? Are you serious? Of course he has, he was a key part of getting us out of the Championship. Waghorn on loan was a successful signing as well, he wasn't a successful permanent signing but Steve Walsh wasn't at the club when we signed him permanently. The vast, vast majority of signings we've made while Steve Walsh has been at the club have helped us to achieve what we were aiming for at the time and way way beyond what we were aiming for. Contrast that to our signings under Sven and Sousa when Walsh wasn't involved and it's pretty obvious that he had an incredible impact. You can't just rewrite history because it suits us to pretend that our transfer record has been anything other than incredible while he's been here. Hopefully he's taught those who remain well.
Guest Bob Hazels shorts Posted 21 July 2016 Posted 21 July 2016 Can't stop the guy moving on and thanking him for what he helped us achieve. But he's not adverse to a move himself. He left Newcastle to join Pearson at Leicester He left us the join Pearson at Hull (more sorry to see him go than Pearson then) He left Hull to join Pearson at Leicester He stayed at Leicester as Pearson was unemployed when fired. Most clubs clear out the whole management team, but ours stayed loyal + no doubt recognising strengths. Leaves Leicester after winning the league and 2 months after signing a new contract.
st albans fox Posted 21 July 2016 Posted 21 July 2016 None of us know how important Walsh was re tactical input during home matches. He sat behind the directors box in contact with the bench. Not sure what the situation was away but may have been similar. no evidence that he was doing anything other than passing on info re performance indicators on the players my guess is that if he had a valuable tactical input, we would have made sure he didn't leave.
CosbehFox Posted 21 July 2016 Posted 21 July 2016 3 minutes ago, MrSpaM said: Well this is the point I'm trying to make, he's not gone to Everton to be their chief scout or assistant, he's gone there to be their director of football. So he's basically now doing the same job Rudkin is doing here. And like I said, he may be good at identifying players, but how good is he at actually signing them. I guess time will tell. Agreed but back when he was assistant manager under Pearson and before the Thais operated with a DoF, he did pretty well in persuading lads from bigger clubs and abroad to come play for us in League 1 and newly promoted in the Championship. To add, his brother is a agent and an incredible source of information no doubt into putting the feelers for availability for a player. If John Percy's article is true and Rudkin wants the role, I'm not so sure a guy whose experience is centred around being a youth coach has the same intelligence available to him. We will see. The owners have pulled rabbits out of the hat before. Though slightly gutted to think they were everywhere in May and now disappeared bar a photo in Austria last week.
CloudFox Posted 21 July 2016 Posted 21 July 2016 1 hour ago, AjcW said: It's alright lads, the club have now tweeted about some twelve year olds playing in a tennis tournament... their announcement must be right around the corner... always good to let it trend on twitter for a bit first... ITS NOT ROCKET SCIENCE!! Jesus Christ (angry digital marketer.. apologies) Fellow digital marketer here - and wholeheartedly in agreement! (mis)Timing of some of the club stuff on social staggers me at times...
davieG Posted 21 July 2016 Posted 21 July 2016 Let's not forget he will have had a whole scouting network working under him from the techies to the guys going around to all the individual games and suggesting players to the club. As long as the network of scouts and techies remain we just need someone to make the final view and recommendation to Ranieri who I'm sure has plenty of people he trusts that could a decent job.
lgfualol Posted 21 July 2016 Posted 21 July 2016 Gutted, but not surprised. He's really old and Everton will be funding his retirement villa in Spain (brexit depending), more than we would. The bloke worked wonders for us though. He will always be remembered as the bloke that spotted Mahrez and Vardy, finding us two lower league players that are now top class and for Mahrez, potentially world class.
urban.spaceman Posted 21 July 2016 Posted 21 July 2016 A massive blow considering what he's done for the club, but to leave in this way after signing a new contract only 2 months ago is pretty depressing. We'll be fine in the short term but hopefully we're considerable higher profile now to attract someone of his calibre or better. I trust in Claudio's experience and the owners and board's will to make this happen. If anyone wants me I'll be in my bedroom in the foetal position.
chapero82 Posted 21 July 2016 Posted 21 July 2016 Maybe we will scout people who actually want come here now e.g Aranguiz
AjcW Posted 21 July 2016 Posted 21 July 2016 14 minutes ago, CloudFox said: Fellow digital marketer here - and wholeheartedly in agreement! (mis)Timing of some of the club stuff on social staggers me at times... It is odd. Would love to know the make up of the team, it strikes me that they don't have enough bodies. Or have too many with a lack of understanding. Would love to give it a go myself mind!
The Year Of The Fox Posted 21 July 2016 Posted 21 July 2016 1 hour ago, davieG said: Looks like the lure of the north west was the main factor, near his home town and family I doubt money even came into it. I've been told his salary will be 5 times more than what we were paying him
weller54 Posted 21 July 2016 Posted 21 July 2016 Are Everton going to be the new Manchester City?... Money a bottomless pit?
stevelcfc Posted 21 July 2016 Posted 21 July 2016 Why does Rudkin have to take over though, other than being incompetent at everything he already does, isn't running an academy, playing DOF and being up the owners wherever they go already enough for him to be doing? Now hes going to be going to all corners of the world to find a Sergio Hellings
mozartfox Posted 21 July 2016 Posted 21 July 2016 As we all know chucking vast sums of money about is not always the panacea to success. But good luck to him and let's see how we take this on.
FrankieADZ Posted 21 July 2016 Posted 21 July 2016 13 minutes ago, weller54 said: Are Everton going to be the new Manchester City?... Money a bottomless pit? certainly trying to be, though I doubt the owner of Everton has as deeper pockets as the Man City owner, wouldnt surprise me if it all went tits up there tbh big loss to lose Walsh but I guess in a way it gives someone in the LCFC recruitment team to set up, since i cant imagine all off the good deals we've had are solely Walsh's finds so to speak
davieG Posted 21 July 2016 Posted 21 July 2016 OS http://www.lcfc.com/news/article/2016-17/leicester-city-assistant-manager-steve-walsh-joins-everton-3199328.aspx
Matt Posted 21 July 2016 Posted 21 July 2016 Fuck off Stevie Walsh, Oh what can it mean, To a, Shit, Balding, Northern Bastard And a, Shit football team. Nah, cheers for what you did here Steve but I'm very pissed off with the situation, do you not want take this build further? See if you can? Gotta question both the club and his ambition I'm sorry. As for the contract you signed 2 months ago, was there any point? Really? I mean the rumour is he is going to be "closer to his family". 1) We live on a small, tiny infact, island, it's hardly hours and hours away, it's not Melbourne to Sydney scale. 2) The thought of moving closer to family can't have just popped into his head in the last two months since signing the contract. Poor excuse IMO. Hope Everton are as shit as they were last season
Babylon Posted 21 July 2016 Posted 21 July 2016 1 hour ago, jit said: Don't think he is as much of a hero as everyone makes out. There's a big team of backroom staff who don't get the recognition they deserve. For every Kante, Vardy and Mahrez there's a Neilson, Alex Bruce, Nicky Adams, McGivern, Miquel, Whitbread, Upson, Nick Powell, Kramaric, Fuctas, Kermorgant, N'Guessan. Was Waghorn (cost a fortune) or has Matty James been a succesfull signing? You've basically listed about 10 free transfers? How good do you expect free transfers to be in the chsmpionship FFS. They didn't sign Waghorn permanently and of course James has been a success.
yorkie1999 Posted 21 July 2016 Posted 21 July 2016 2 hours ago, ScouseFox said: we signed arguably the three best players in england, if not europe last season for about 6 million quid. let's not pretend that we haven't made some sensational signings in the past 4 or 5 years. Don't forget though that Wenger didn't want Marhez because he wasn't expensive enough. Will Everton be prepared to buy cut price players.
ousefox Posted 21 July 2016 Posted 21 July 2016 8 minutes ago, Matt said: Fuck off Stevie Walsh, Oh what can it mean, To a, Shit, Balding, Bastard and a, Shit football team. Nah, cheers for what you did here Steve but I'm very pissed off with the situation, do you not want take this build further? See if you can? Gotta question both the club and his ambition I'm sorry. As for the contract you signed 2 months ago, was there any point? Really? I mean the rumour is he is going to be "closer to his family". 1) We live on a small, tiny infact, island, it's hardly hours and hours away, it's not Melbourne to Sydney scale. 2) The thought of moving closer to family can't have just popped into his head in the last two months since signing the contract. Poor excuse IMO. Hope Everton are as shit as they were last season The man has earned the right to do what his best for him and his family. He used to be a school teacher. He won't ever have enjoyed the amount of money he could be earning at Everton. I'm sure the offer wasn't around 2 months ago. He isn't getting any younger and this is an opportunity to move back to where he came from and earn a hell of a lot of money at a big club.
Albert Posted 21 July 2016 Posted 21 July 2016 2 hours ago, foxinsocks said: When a sales guy leaves for a competitor it is normal to insist on 3mths garden leave so their leads go cold It will be mad if everton start bidding against us for all our targets Surely susan needs to be firmer here? Id imagine the new contract Walsh signed with us 6 weeks ago would of had clauses included in it stating that if he was to leave for another club then that club wouldn't be able to try and sign any of our players or staff for a set period of time & No doubt the compensation package agreed with Everton would of had similar clauses to protect ourselves. Our owners & directors aren't stupid and it's not exactly been a secret of how good Walsh is and there was a possibility that he could leave one day
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