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Hull City Post Match Thread 2 - 1

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adam95581

adam95581

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That performance was very flat and uninspiring. Let's get some observations out of the way first: 

 

Schmeical still looks like he's carrying some timber from the summer. Distribution wasn't great again and the 2nd goal arguably came from a combination of his poor distribution and Gray's (I think?) poor control. 

 

Hernandez needs to learn that our success was founded on defenders defending first. None of this 'control the ball and turn in the box' rubbish. Could be decent but the jury is still out for me. 

 

King and DD don't work. Neither of them are dynamic enough - in fact I think that's a real weakness but I'll come onto that. 

 

Gray has some maturing to do in terms of his decision making - he's definitely got talent though and it's promising to see him having the guts to back himself. 

 

Mahrez was poor - not interested or just not fully match fit? Time will tell on this.

 

Think Vardy has fallen victim to the standards he set last year. The chances he had weren't easy but we're used to him taking them. He'll improve. 

 

Musa is is going to be frustrating this season. Moments of brilliance followed by a poor touch, pass etc. 

 

Oki looks on it this season and has to start next week with Vards or Musa. 

 

Definitely work to be done and hopefully it inspires Claudio to make some last minute signings. We probabky need a CB but definitely a dynamic CM who is going to drive at the opposition. King/DD/Mendy all like to pass but none of them are going to pick the ball up and go with it. So many times Kante would beat a man and give the ball to one of our forward players. We're not going to replace his tackling/intercepting ability but we can replace that aspect. 

 

Onto next week! 

tyfox

tyfox

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22 minutes ago, m4DD0gg said:

I genuinely would not even think about considering us in the same bracket as those teams this season.

I didn't mean it in that way I just meant it would divert the media off of us quite a bit

dylanlegend

dylanlegend

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We just looked like headless chickens with a lack of game plan. Maybe time to revert back to 3-5-2? Defensively we were a shambles. 

 

GK: Kasper

 

CB: Keane / Fuchs

CB: Huth

CB: Morgan

 

RWB: Albrighton

LWB: Schlupp

 

CM: Mendy

CM: Drinkwater

AMC: Mahrez

 

FW: Vardy

FW: Ulloa

Guest Mickyblueeyes

Guest Mickyblueeyes

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Now that I've had time to digest that result, their some things we can take from it. 

 

1. In each of our key positions (Central defence, midfield and up front) we had ne partnerships. These take time to develop and quite a few in each of those key positions their was confusions and mistakes. Huth back next week and Amartey in for King will hopefully make us look sharper against Arsenal.

 

2. Even though it's part of the modern game. This world wide pre-season tours are a hinderance on teams that partake. Most of the teams which are invited in these tournaments start slow (think Chelsea, Spurs, Arsenal, Man U and Liverpool last year). It's not easy to fly around the world to play in four different locations in the space of four to six weeks. Unfortunately, preseason is no longer hard graft that gets you well prepared for a tough and brutal league and cup campaign. It's a marketing ploy to help build profile. If we want to stay amongst the elite, slow starts is what we will have to accept. The jet lag hasn't even got out the system yet

 

3. While we didn't look great it was clearly an off day. I'd rather us have this at the start of the year than towards the middle. Plenty of games to get stronger and find our perfect partnerships throughout the pitch.

 

basically, Kante is a loss but we are not dead and buried. We need to adapt and fast! 

esoog

esoog

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The team obviously needs tweaking, so that we can play to our strengths again through vardy and mahrez.

 

Based on pre season, to do that and see them get the ball more, we need to maybe swap musa for Okazaki and Gray for Albrighton. Huth will get our defence back to norm. 

 

Midfield king would need to be replaced with mendy to free up drinky. Other than that we have a good squad. Choosing a team that already plays well together is vitally important. 

pazzerfox

pazzerfox

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Everything we did last season was not evident today.  We should have pressured them from the off with the high tempo, energetic football that we've been accustomed too.  A team, low on confidence from the off field antics would have buckled under such pressure.  Instead we took a more measured approach which saw them grow into the game.  We gifted them 2 goals which gave them even more confidence.  

 

I just hope Ranieri isn't trying to change our style of play too much.  If he is, then we will be in for a tough season.

steflcfc

steflcfc

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Strange game today.

The drive/closing and general Spring we had in our step was missing.

 

Our pre season I feel has and will not have helped with our start, players look unfit and some haven't played 90 mins of football before today, with a long season ahead, too much travelling with more to come in the CL

We will be in for a long hard season.

We should have stayed local for our pre season.

 

I thought not having Huth by his side Morgan really looked average at the back today and didn't seem to bark orders and looked a bit lost. 

Raneri made the mistake by not playing Was who knows the league a bit more than Hernandez.

 

This game shown that as we all know, Kante is a massive miss and leaves a big hole we need to fill as Drinkwater cannot to it all on his own, King as much as we love him, he isn't a starter for us, sub last 30 mins at best.

He doesn't have a main trait in the cm, runs a lot but average at both defensive/attacking side of his game.

 

Upfront this partnership of Vardy and Musa will work in time, they need games together, Okazaki looked good when he came on and that may be his new tag this season coming on at 60 mins instead of being subbed at 60 mins.

 

A few things for Raneri to sort by Arsenal, once Huth returns the defence will be back to normal, what's worrying is we don't have the protection like we did with Kante so they will need to perform even better than they did last season.

A poor makeshift Hull side cut through our central midfield like they wasn't even their, better sides will have a field day.

Ricey

Ricey

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We can't replace Kante with King. They are too different. Amartey is a better option as at least he has more energy, but we NEED another midfielder as it's likely we'll have to adopt 433 at some point (next week).

 

I won't criticise Mahrez too much as he was crowded out of the game, but it's very worrying that players that were consistently reliable last season were so so poor today.

 

Losing to the relegation candidates who are in total disarray is bad, but the performance is the most concerning. We don't even look like the same team.

 

But hey, we'll improve and we won the frigging league last season. It's a hangover, but the best hangover ever.

oxtonfox

oxtonfox

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Been a little concerned with pre-season. I think that's 4 defeats in a row now and you know what they say, losing becomes a habit as winning was last season. To lose to Hull given their state is beyond poor as I think they are nailed on for bottom three. Now we have Arsenal at home and we'll need to throw the kitchen sink and proper performance. Confidence was key last season and I didn't like the attitude today and wonder whether talk, last season, copper bottomed contracts etc.  has gone to their heads. 

 

It's a bit early to castigate now but I am concerned that we are so far off the pace at the moment. The spine needs fixing and quick. The back four, centre mid and the strikers. 

ian_marshall

ian_marshall

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Just got back. Let's no get too carried away, despite a poor performance we had enough chances to win that game and restricted Hull to two chances which unfortunately for us they put away. 

 

I agree that we looked somewhat off the pace from a fitness perspective but I put that down to where we are in terms of our periodised fitness programme and the fact that the fitness team have had to factor in a higher workload this season with the extra games that we'll have to play so don't want to overload them early doors and burn out during the season.

 

Today I didn't think the formation worked for us at all. The fluid 433, 442 seemed to confuse the players. I also didn't think the Vardy and Musa combination worked particularly well today. Both are too similar and against two big strong powerful centre halves who sat deep and had lots of protection from the midfield neither really got much joy. The game was crying out for Okazaki earlier and I thought his relentlessness in chasing down the ball got us back into the game in the latter stages. Moving forward I'd like to see one of Vardy and Musa starting with the other coming on later into the game as a replacement to inject fresh energy.

 

Also central midfield needs sorting out urgently. I feel that since Kante left Ranieri doesn't know who his strongest pairing is. I think it's safe to say that in a 442 Drinkwater and King are not the right combination. As it stands for me, Amartey has the jersey as I felt he played ok today and gave Drinkwater a bit more freedom. Having said the above I was a little surprised Mendy wasn't in the squad today so how close he is to being in the starting eleven I don't know.

 

As I mentioned at the start let's not get too down about today's result. Yes, it wasn't great nor expected, but it's the first game of a long season and funny things can happen at this stage. I distinctly remember Man City getting turned over very early on by a newly promoted Cardiff City side in the 2013/14 season yet still ended up as Champions. What's more important is that this group learns from this experience and doesn't allow this to happen again any time soon.

smudger63

smudger63

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44 minutes ago, adam95581 said:

That performance was very flat and uninspiring. Let's get some observations out of the way first: 

 

Schmeical still looks like he's carrying some timber from the summer. Distribution wasn't great again and the 2nd goal arguably came from a combination of his poor distribution and Gray's (I think?) poor control. 

 

Hernandez needs to learn that our success was founded on defenders defending first. None of this 'control the ball and turn in the box' rubbish. Could be decent but the jury is still out for me. 

 

King and DD don't work. Neither of them are dynamic enough - in fact I think that's a real weakness but I'll come onto that. 

 

Gray has some maturing to do in terms of his decision making - he's definitely got talent though and it's promising to see him having the guts to back himself. 

 

Mahrez was poor - not interested or just not fully match fit? Time will tell on this.

 

Think Vardy has fallen victim to the standards he set last year. The chances he had weren't easy but we're used to him taking them. He'll improve. 

 

Musa is is going to be frustrating this season. Moments of brilliance followed by a poor touch, pass etc. 

 

Oki looks on it this season and has to start next week with Vards or Musa. 

 

Definitely work to be done and hopefully it inspires Claudio to make some last minute signings. We probabky need a CB but definitely a dynamic CM who is going to drive at the opposition. King/DD/Mendy all like to pass but none of them are going to pick the ball up and go with it. So many times Kante would beat a man and give the ball to one of our forward players. We're not going to replace his tackling/intercepting ability but we can replace that aspect. 

 

Onto next week! 

I was saying exactly the same thing!

In fact he`s looking quite porkly, and i`m wondering if he`s following one of Conrad Logans diets!

Same could be said for Morgan, who also looks to have put a few pounds on to me, and looks slow and not switched on at the moment..

The players in general, look unfit and very under cooked, to start the season, certainly when you compare the side that opened last season against Sunderland, when they were flying from the first to the last minute, and still looked like they had some energy to spare, when the final whistle blew.

Pre season may have been good commercially for the club, but it looks to me like it`s been at the expense of the players being ready to go for the opening game of the season.

midland_red

midland_red

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5 minutes ago, oxtonfox said:

Been a little concerned with pre-season. I think that's 4 defeats in a row now and you know what they say, losing becomes a habit as winning was last season. To lose to Hull given their state is beyond poor as I think they are nailed on for bottom three. Now we have Arsenal at home and we'll need to throw the kitchen sink and proper performance. Confidence was key last season and I didn't like the attitude today and wonder whether talk, last season, copper bottomed contracts etc.  has gone to their heads. 

 

It's a bit early to castigate now but I am concerned that we are so far off the pace at the moment. The spine needs fixing and quick. The back four, centre mid and the strikers. 

I think there certainly is a case for saying that they approached Dull in an arrogant way. There are NO easy games in this league

 

dedlock

dedlock

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A wake up call.

We were poor but should have had enough to beat a poor Hull side.

There is work to be done.The spine of the team was not good enough.Morgan and Hernandez were not on the same wavelength,leaving the defence vulnerable.We were lacking in midfield and may need to recruit.Upfront when Shinji came on there was greater urgency, Vards missed a couple of chances he would have buried last season.

A disappointing start,the team seemed disjointed and there is lots to improve.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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