Hull City Post Match Thread 2 - 1

[foxfan92]

Well aren't we all the eternal optimists?

 

I've said elsewhere people don't appreciate what Shinj or Mark did for us last season - and it appears the work of Simpson last season is being equally forgotten. I've seen some suggest he was being aided by Kante, but let's not forget how much better our defence looked when RDL and Jeff were replaced by Danny and Fuchs.

 

We only have to look at Chelsea's fall from grace last season to see how this season will be harder. Not just all of last season but right from when it seemed to click as our great escape started we've been on such a good run, with hardly a loss in the league. One bad game isn't disaster even if everything going on with Hull now makes this seem like an easy 3 points lost.

 

It will take a game or two for us to get back into our stride, it's a huge shame not to hit the ground running this season and keep this fabulous momentum of the past 50 games or so going, but we're still the team that not too long ago had fallen to an all time low of the 3rd tier. There is bound to be many a high and low to come on this rollercoater of a ride this team never fails to take us on.

 

Perhaps the silver lining in losing today (and maybe even against Arsenal) is Ranieri et co might have a chance to see what we need still - and decide to invest in players to fill any gaps. I think Ranieri is trying to keep a winning team moving forward by keeping last seasons players involved - and keeping expectations low to keep their feet grounded - but maybe we do need that extra player or two still to compete where we want to be.

 

I suspect we'll see more of the Leicester from last season as games progress either way. 

 

And we may have to accept we'll might only win the league by 5 points this season ...

[Cadno'r Cymoedd]

I've no doubt there are better analytical football brains than me on here but for me we're crying out for a central attack-minded midfielder.

 

For all his brilliant inception work, Kante's other strength was going box to box which allowed DD to sit back more and ping balls forward. At the moment we have no one playing offensively just ahead of the half way line and further up. DD and King are too defensively minded and play the ball laterally whilst playing with two wings then leaves a huge gap.

 

Hull flooded that space defensively today and we had no direct connection between the last third and the final third until Ozazaki came on and dropped slightly deeper today to provide the necessary link. We saw that deficiency too in the preseason games. 

 

Can Mendy or Amartey do it? Will Kapustka be an answer? Will we need to change formation? Or do we just need another signing suited to that role? Questions for Claudio and Shaky to answer and soon. But let's no panic but think...

[bpfox]

well ranieri may have the credit for last years winning, but he now has to take the blame, i just dont get the lack of quality players that he could brought in, we have the money and yet we still have the same players, we really miss a creative midfielder a young strong fast center back  and a big center forward. i think he has been caught short trying to keep last years players happy and he has let the fans down, if we dont get some quality before the window closes, i think it will be a long hard season.    

[NeilLCFC]

3 hours ago, Callabinho said:

The manner of the defeat was worrying. It's alright crying out for Huth's return but neither of them were exposed last season as much as Morgan and Hernandez were today. It's the midfield that we need to address, and work on doing what we did last season. This is now when we find out if Mr. Ranieri was a genius, or we were carried by a wonderful talent who enables us to play how we did last season. 

Very good point about finding out about Ranieri. Is he a genius or was last season a product of Pearson's hard work, and a hang over from the formula he found during the great escape??

 

Before people on here get too excited, I'm not taking anything away from CR. He did the job he was brought in to do, and that was basically not to change anything NP had put in place, and why would you have changed anything? Just look at our form during the great escape, that was top 4 form, if not better. CR is obviously an intelligent guy, smart enough to see that the formula had already been discovered by his predecessor, he just had to stick to it, which is much easier to do than actually discovering the formula in the first place.

 

The problems start when the new manager starts to do things their way, and move away from the ethos and elements that were installed by the old regime. I for one hope this is only a blip, and we find out CR is well and truly a genius. 

 

Up up the City!

[Grewks]

31 minutes ago, Donut said:

 

We wouldnt have missed so many tackles in midfield with Kante on the pitch.

 

At times they ran through us easily.

 

But hes gone. Cant cry over spilt milk.

But neither of the goals were 'kante' preventable imo. A corner and a poor throw from Kasper.

[UPinCarolina]

How did our squad's individual quality decline with the loss of one player?

That's a fallacy.

It's the fact that we can't play a 4-4-2 until we sort out the midfield. That's ALL it is.

[waylander]

We're doomed . One game we could have won missed chances . They were up for it pulled together and nicked it. Could have been all so different . And it wasn't pearsons team that played last year it was Ranieri and his boys . Lots of positives musa , shinji , grey, Hernandez , ulloa, vardy , Mharez. Will all get better, Fuchs , Simpson, stinky, all good. And remember when your smiling . So we're not all doomed well we're are but we have a team to smile with . Bring on the Sunderland and arsenal . 

[WigstonWanderer]

Well, that could've gone better! Looks like we're still at the Champions' party!

 

Loads of hard work needed to get anywhere close to last season's quality. But at least we are still making history, and we'll always have 15/16.

[easilee]

Hernandez was pissing me off a bit.

Did anyone else notice Morgan on a couple of occasions instructing him, and he was paying no attention whatsoever;

to the point where Wes was looking more than a little peeved with him?

[jmono84]

Thought Hernandez looked loads better than Morgan tbf... Hopefully it's a case of them getting used to each other

[Edingleyfox]

Gray had a great pre-season but today I was not convinced either about his crossing ability or his defensive qualities. Mahrez was also a bit sloppy.Although Albrighton struggled last week  he is more of a hard working team player and we that cover with Kante gone.His set pieces are better we were very wasteful today and lacked a  bit of width.

 

Liked Musa in fact it was a shame he didn't try to finish some of the moves he created as Vardy uncharacteristically off pace today.Hernandez too clumsy for my liking.

 

Need to stop leaking goals or it is going to be a tough season.4 defeats in a row.

 

 

[Grewks]

9 minutes ago, easilee said:

Hernandez was pissing me off a bit.

Did anyone else notice Morgan on a couple of occasions instructing him, and he was paying no attention whatsoever;

to the point where Wes was looking more than a little peeved with him?

Hernandez was paying attention to him, but he was experiencing something he hadnt before, and to me, the fact he wasnt ready, is poor coaching. Although personally, i thought Hernandez was the better of the pair. Big Wes looked like the guy we had two years ago tbh, made a few mistakes.

[Guy]

Wow, didn't see that result coming - or that performance! Safe to say that is the sort of game we'd have probably won at a canter (with Kante?!) last season - while the likes of the longer established players (King, Drinky, Morgan and Vardy) looked about as effective as they did during our dark period of two seasons ago!

 

I'm not one for sticking the boot in based on a poor pre-season and first game though with new signings in the mix too at this level, lest we forget - so onwards and (hopefully.....!) upwards v The Arse next week. If we play like that again though then it will be a reverse cricket score I fear, unless Arsenal play as badly as we did today! Well done to Hull though, they showed flashes of what we did for most of last season and most of all what we did at the end of our survival season - a collective team spirit and graft in the face of adversity, even though we gifted them the decisive goal number two! Had we clung on for a draw then I think this thread would have had half as many negative posts as has ended up the case - but there was no defending that performance whatever way you look at it, at least compared to the spirited performance the team gave in the Community Shield last weekend......!

[ozleicester]

Are we at 5000 /1 yet? Im waiting to put my money on

[WigstonWanderer]

 

[foxes_rule1978]

1 hour ago, Grewks said:

Hernandez was paying attention to him, but he was experiencing something he hadnt before, and to me, the fact he wasnt ready, is poor coaching. Although personally, i thought Hernandez was the better of the pair. Big Wes looked like the guy we had two years ago tbh, made a few mistakes.

i think we miss the stability of wes and Huth that was clear

[Callabinho]

6 hours ago, easilee said:

Hernandez was pissing me off a bit.

Did anyone else notice Morgan on a couple of occasions instructing him, and he was paying no attention whatsoever;

to the point where Wes was looking more than a little peeved with him?

 

Hernandez was a captain wasn't we? I imagine he might not want to listen to Morgan, he was doing a fair bit of pointless pointing himself throughout the game.

[foxinsox]

7 hours ago, UPinCarolina said:

How did our squad's individual quality decline with the loss of one player?

That's a fallacy.

It's the fact that we can't play a 4-4-2 until we sort out the midfield. That's ALL it is.

We have 3 new or fairly new midfielders to bed in: Amartey, Mendy and Kaputska. Possibly we need another, but not time to panic. We also have King, James and Inler.

 

Inler appeared slow compared to Kante (who didn't?) But has physical presence, can read the game well, is good in the air and is a leader on the pitch.

 

If we sign no-one else it is not a disaster.

 

 

[Livid]

The couple of quid I had on Musa to be top goalscorer looks in jeopardy if he doesn't actually have a shot.

[mozartfox]

16 hours ago, foxes_rule1978 said:

It is down to a real lack of pre season, it is clear they aren't match fit yet. 

living in Austria and given Teams here play friendlies in July, I am baffled why we never play a couple of games during the 5 days the team stays here each year.. All the other teams that come to Austira for a pre-season camp do.  This would be against non glogging amateur teams which is infinitely better than playing games amongst ourselves.. Hopefully a lesson learned although suspect we will not be invited to such far off places next year.

[Dickov22]

Few points from me 

 

1) People need to stop talking about Kante. He doesn't play for us anymore. Move on

 

2) At 0-0 after the Vardy chance was blocked by Livermore we looked like it was a matter of time before we scored. Had we got the first goal, the game would have been entirely different. 

 

3) Everyone seemed pleased Gray had rightly been given a start yet now after just one average game you're all bombing him out again. 

 

4) Mahrez wasn't any worse than the likes of King, Vardy, Morgan, Fuchs yet most are destroying him and claiming its 'down to the speculation' . I've seen him have games like that before , you take the rough with the smooth with him because he's THAT good 

 

5) The players are clearly not fit. No surprise when they flew to LA, then back, then to Sweden two days later to play Barcelona ! Then back again , then played Man Utd . They're human. Haven't had enough games, enough training and enough sleep. 

 

Think we we will see a different team against Arsneal (gulp) although let's be honest, we couldn't have had a much harder game to follow this one with. 

[FoxyPalace.com]

King is a not Prem player, he could not even get into the Wales starting 11.

 

Last season he was a sub for us, Ranieri knew he was not up to it.

 

Now he is starting the season for one reason only, poor recruitment in this area.

[Dickov22]

3 hours ago, FoxyPalace.com said:

King is a not Prem player, he could not even get into the Wales starting 11.

 

Last season he was a sub for us, Ranieri knew he was not up to it.

 

Now he is starting the season for one reason only, poor recruitment in this area.

King only started because Mendy became a father. He won't start against Arsenal 

[Mark 'expert' Lawrenson]

17 hours ago, Drygon said:

 

As I said, Drinkwater is a decent midfielder who looked last season but it's mostly down to Kanté & the system.

You never said Drinkwater was a decent midfielder at all in your original post.

[foxfan92]

36 minutes ago, Dickov22 said:

Few points from me 

 

1) People need to stop talking about Kante. He doesn't play for us anymore. Move on

 

2) At 0-0 after the Vardy chance was blocked by Livermore we looked like it was a matter of time before we scored. Had we got the first goal, the game would have been entirely different. 

 

3) Everyone seemed pleased Gray had rightly been given a start yet now after just one average game you're all bombing him out again. 

 

4) Mahrez wasn't any worse than the likes of King, Vardy, Morgan, Fuchs yet most are destroying him and claiming its 'down to the speculation' . I've seen him have games like that before , you take the rough with the smooth with him because he's THAT good 

 

5) The players are clearly not fit. No surprise when they flew to LA, then back, then to Sweden two days later to play Barcelona ! Then back again , then played Man Utd . They're human. Haven't had enough games, enough training and enough sleep. 

 

Think we we will see a different team against Arsneal (gulp) although let's be honest, we couldn't have had a much harder game to follow this one with. 

This.

 

After all the success we've had lately a loss has become a vary rare thing to deal with.

 

A lot of kneejerk reactions to one game.