Daniel Amartey

[Facecloth]

1 minute ago, Col city fan said:

Kante was completely different in this respect. He won the ball and drove forward. He didn't win the ball and look to give it to a bloke standing by his side at his earliest opportunity.

You can see this if you watch Amartey (without your Facecloth blinkers on) The ball is a like a hot spud to him. He looks to play it off as soon as he possibly can. Not through some tactic or build-up. Simply because he don't want it.

It's like comparing a Rolls with a Vauxhall Viva

 

 

He's. Not. Kante. Get over it.

 

I'd love to have a Kante type player, but we sold the only one. Go find one, that's not already playing at top club already in the champions league and in a top European league. Fernandinho? NZonzi? Pogba? Kroos? Good luck convincing them to come here, even last summer. We had an exceptionally talented player, they aren't lots of that type not already earning millions at huge clubs. Maybe we have found one in Mendy or Ndidi. But ones been injured and the other hasn't joined yet. Don't blame Amartey for being the only option because of bad luck with injuries and a lack of transfer activity. He's limited but he doing well up to his limitations. You're gripe that he stood out today despite his limitations isn't his fault for being limited it his team mates faults for not playing well.

[whoareyaaa]

Seems to be getting better every game, don't know what people are expecting of him, hes young he's not cost us 30million.

[Guest Col city fan]

1 minute ago, Facecloth said:

He's. Not. Kante. Get over it.

 

I'd love to have a Kante type player, but we sold the only one. Go find one, that's not already playing at top club already in the champions league and in a top European league. Fernandinho? NZonzi? Pogba? Kroos? Good luck convincing them to come here, even last summer. We had an exceptionally talented player, they aren't lots of that type not already earning millions at huge clubs. Maybe we have found one in Mendy or Ndidi. But ones been injured and the other hasn't joined yet. Don't blame Amartey for being the only option because of bad luck with injuries and a lack of transfer activity. He's limited but he doing well up to his limitations. You're gripe that he stood out today despite his limitations isn't his fault for being limited it his team mates faults for not playing well.

Are really you saying we couldn't have signed a midfield player who had composure, a bit of skill and who could run with it?

As the Champions of England and playing in the Champions League?

 

Really?

And I've never blamed Amartey. I've blamed the club. Read the bloody threads.

From what I can see, Mendy=Amartey. Both simple ball winners. Both very defensive minded. Neither look to get forward. Both look to win it and lay it off, over and over again.

Mendy looks a bit more classy, Amartey better in the air. But both very similar.

I'm hoping Ndidi shows us all what we've been missing in the midfield. It'll take time. but he looks like he can actually beat a player and pass more than ten yards.

[shen]

1 hour ago, Col city fan said:

I must be old school.. for me 'brilliant' means 'brilliant' and 'superb' means 'superb'

And of course it concerns Amartey directly. He's been pretty much an ever present of a midfield in a team who has attained 3 points from 30 away and has conceded amongst the most goals in the division, away from home. And a part of a midfield who has some of the worst stats in the division.

It's the midfield Shen, more than Amartey, that I'm most frustrated with.

Surely you must acknowledge Kanté's contribution last season and how his talent allowed us to get the best out of the team in a 4-4-2 system.
It's not Amartey's fault we have persisted with the same system and it would be unfair to expect him to be a like for like replacement for Kanté.

 

Drinkwater has been just as much a presence, as have Albrighton and Mahrez, and with all their personal accolades and new deals, would it not be more pertinent to lay the blame for a faltering midfield at their feet rather than a youngster who hasn't had more than a handful of Prem appearances leading up to this season?

 

Or maybe Ranieri (as well as staff and leading players) should get more blame?

 

Amartey has actually shown considerable improvement, whereas Mahrez looks like last season's Hazard and Drinkwater has been average at best by his own standards. And Albrighton on the left has been underwhelming up until the West Ham game where he finally played on the right.

 

In that light, I find it extremely harsh to single out Amartey for not being good enough.

[shen]

19 minutes ago, Col city fan said:

Are really you saying we couldn't have signed a midfield player who had composure, a bit of skill and who could run with it?

As the Champions of England and playing in the Champions League?

 

Really?

And I've never blamed Amartey. I've blamed the club. Read the bloody threads.

From what I can see, Mendy=Amartey. Both simple ball winners. Both very defensive minded. Neither look to get forward. Both look to win it and lay it off, over and over again.

Mendy looks a bit more classy, Amartey better in the air. But both very similar.

I'm hoping Ndidi shows us all what we've been missing in the midfield. It'll take time. but he looks like he can actually beat a player and pass more than ten yards.

I think Amartey has found himself high up the pitch on a number of occasions for the past few weeks. Not only that, but he's got great stamina and can keep going high up and track back late in games. It was he who retrieved the ball in the penalty area and laid it off to Chilwell late in the game on Saturday.

Today. he was the one who made himself available at the edge of the box for Musa's cutback. Yeah, he could have smashed it, but Musa's decision-making and Ulloa's lack of killer instinct were worse in that situation IMO. It's not like Amartey dallied on the ball. He made a quick and precise pass into Ulloa who could've shot on the turn instead of taking an age to lay it off to Albrighton(?).

[Guest Col city fan]

4 minutes ago, shen said:

I think Amartey has found himself high up the pitch on a number of occasions for the past few weeks. Not only that, but he's got great stamina and can keep going high up and track back late in games. It was he who retrieved the ball in the penalty area and laid it off to Chilwell late in the game on Saturday.

Today. he was the one who made himself available at the edge of the box for Musa's cutback. Yeah, he could have smashed it, but Musa's decision-making and Ulloa's lack of killer instinct were worse in that situation IMO. It's not like Amartey dallied on the ball. He made a quick and precise pass into Ulloa who could've shot on the turn instead of taking an age to lay it off to Albrighton(?).

I just don't agree mate. Amartey looked like a player who simply did not want to shoot. The quick and precise pass was the wrong choice. Ulloa is not a striker renowned for his turning and finishing is he?

Cmon...look back at it. It should have been coming onto the ball (there was ample time) and at least take a shot. Instead, you could literally see that Amartey ducked the responsibility and laid the ball off. It was actually a very good opportunity to get a shot off. One of very few I'm afraid.

This is what this side is missing. A bit of class. We looked today like every inch a championship quality side. Fortunately, so did they.

[dannythefox]

Getting better with every game looks fully fit now and really puts a shift in hard to see when the new arrives how will everyone fit in.

[NewEnglandFox]

He's been much more confident and aware lately. Pity he's leaving now. Can't we send Schlupp to AFCON instead?

[StanSP]

For someone who doesn't look to get forward, Amartey did brilliantly to score the equaliser at Stoke...

[Goober]

Played a good 1-2 with someone and got a decent shot off against West Ham too

[Guest CityFan 06]

I think at this stage he is better in a midfield three. When we need to grind out points away from home I'd go with the formation today. 

[EGBFitness]

48 minutes ago, Col city fan said:

Kante was completely different in this respect. He won the ball and drove forward. He didn't win the ball and look to give it to a bloke standing by his side at his earliest opportunity.

You can see this if you watch Amartey (without your Facecloth blinkers on) The ball is a like a hot spud to him. He looks to play it off as soon as he possibly can. Not through some tactic or build-up. Simply because he don't want it.

It's like comparing a Rolls with a Vauxhall Viva

 

 

 

 

The teams set up completely different this season and as a team we don't look to want to play on the front foot driving the ball forward - that's as a whole and not just an individual. 

 

I think its unfair to say he releases the ball as quickly as possible without no tactic, how do you know what he has been advised to do as an individual? 

 

If you watched Kantes performances the start of this season you would of realised that he was only asked to intercept/tackle and release the ball to Matic to refresh possession, because Matic is the better ball playing midfielder - this was even if Matic was a foot away from him, did that mean Kante wasn't good enough to play for Chelsea or that the ball is a hot spud to the guy? Also, if you look at our stats from last season you would see that we was one of the worst teams at maintaining possession (pretty much same as this season just that it worked for us last year) for however good Kante was he was poor in possession and also poor once he hit 3/4 of the way up the pitch - looking at the two there isn't a massive amount of difference between the two in terms of the role they are being asked - yes Amartey isn't in the same quality as Kante but he is providing the same role as breaking up the play and getting rid to a player who can provide more threat with it. (Supposingly) 

 

no one has said he is as good as Kante and no one has said his our stand out player, he has just matured into the role asked of him of late and gave some solid individual performances like today. 

 

[StriderHiryu]

8 minutes ago, dannythefox said:

Getting better with every game looks fully fit now and really puts a shift in hard to see when the new arrives how will everyone fit in.

It's always interesting to see how opinions can be so divided sometimes! I agree with what you've put here, he's been solid for us over the last 5 or so games and is maybe even the hungriest player we seem to have at the moment. He chases a lot and gets stuck in, even if he does concede a fair number of fouls. 

 

I think the coaching team have to help him decide what type of player he is going to be. Will he be a tidy CDM that holds position and distributes sideways or be more of a box-to-box destroyer in the Viera mould? He's neither one nor the other at the moment and think a destroyer is where he could shine. 

 

Also want to point out that the guy is 22. Do you know what N'Golo Kante was doing at 22? He was playing for Caen in Ligue 2 and a total unknown to any of us. Will Amartey ever be better or even as good as Kante? Highly unlikely, but as of today he's scored the same number of goals as Kante, played in our win versus Porto, and showing signs of improvement. 

[Babylon]

2 hours ago, Col city fan said:

When a player who just about shat himself when he had space and time to pull the trigger, to shoot, and decides to pass again, gets made man of the match, it tells you just about everything you need to know about that performance.

So one chance to shoot, that was most likely to end in the stands tells you everything about his performance and the game. Get to feck, ridiculous. 

 

The issue here is once again you have to make everything about Amartey. Week after week you pick out moments in games to slate the lad. Do we see that about the other players, do we feck. 11 players on the pitch and probably week in week out other players playing far worse than he is.

 

Throwing in a bit of grudging praise now and again when people pick you up on it doesn't hide what you do.

[Cincinnati Fox]

He will be a solid pl player for years to come

[RobHawk]

1 minute ago, Babylon said:

So one chance to shoot, that was most likely to end in the stands tells you everything about his performance and the game. Get to feck, ridiculous. 

 

The issue here is once again you have to make everything about Amartey. Week after week you pick out moments in games to slate the lad. Do we see that about the other players, do we feck. 11 players on the pitch and probably week in week out other players playing far worse than he is.

 

Throwing in a bit of grudging praise now and again when people pick you up on it doesn't hide what you do.

Are people still listening to Col and taking him seriously? 2 words.......lee cattermole! 

 

Just ignore him, he clearly has a different opinion to everyone else, he's entitled to it and in his mind he will always be right even though he's normally wrong. He then changes his opinion so he cant be wrong!  I just skip over his posts as its not worth the time reading his posts, let alone replying to them!

[HighPeakFox]

3 minutes ago, Babylon said:

The issue here is once again you have to make everything about Amartey  the sound of your own (typed) voice.

You were almost right Babylon...

[Guest Col city fan]

22 minutes ago, Babylon said:

So one chance to shoot, that was most likely to end in the stands tells you everything about his performance and the game. Get to feck, ridiculous. 

 

The issue here is once again you have to make everything about Amartey. Week after week you pick out moments in games to slate the lad. Do we see that about the other players, do we feck. 11 players on the pitch and probably week in week out other players playing far worse than he is.

 

Throwing in a bit of grudging praise now and again when people pick you up on it doesn't hide what you do.

Write what you want. Just because you and others tell me I'm wrong, it don't me think it!

If anything, the opposite....

I know what I'm seeing, our midfield is duff. Let's all hope that Ndidi is the spark it needs. I guess we'll all soon see. Amartey leaves these shores soon. Let's see how we do when he ain't playing.

 

Edited 2 January 2017 by Col city fan

[dannythefox]

25 minutes ago, StriderHiryu said:

It's always interesting to see how opinions can be so divided sometimes! I agree with what you've put here, he's been solid for us over the last 5 or so games and is maybe even the hungriest player we seem to have at the moment. He chases a lot and gets stuck in, even if he does concede a fair number of fouls. 

 

I think the coaching team have to help him decide what type of player he is going to be. Will he be a tidy CDM that holds position and distributes sideways or be more of a box-to-box destroyer in the Viera mould? He's neither one nor the other at the moment and think a destroyer is where he could shine. 

 

Also want to point out that the guy is 22. Do you know what N'Golo Kante was doing at 22? He was playing for Caen in Ligue 2 and a total unknown to any of us. Will Amartey ever be better or even as good as Kante? Highly unlikely, but as of today he's scored the same number of goals as Kante, played in our win versus Porto, and showing signs of improvement. 

Age is the key factor he looks better every game. Also I think he understands how we play now which I think he struggled with at first hopefully he'll turn out to be another beauty. 

[marbles]

I dont care what COL Fan says - Amartey was still the best player we had on the pitch today

Could he/should he have taken the shot - probably.

He wasnt the only player to pass up on shots today.  

 

Maybe he does get rid of the ball too quickly - could it be that his confidence with the ball is shot, just like EVERY other player on this team.  At times, it looks as if no one wants the ball. 

At least he is doing something - working his a$$ off to defend and win balls back.

Who else can be said is doing that for 90+ minutes ?

 

 

  

 

 

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[Charl91]

Amartey is definitely improving. I thought he was our best midfielder again today, and he's been much better at getting the ball forward. Lost it once or twice with his forward passes, but made quite a lot of good ones too, and I'd far rather that then not trying to attempt them at all.

 

He's not Kante, and he's never going to be Kante. That's no slight on him though, as Kante is probably the best defensive player in the world, in my opinion. On current showing, Amartey has got potential to be a good premier league midfielder. He's good in the air, his passing is improving and so is his positioning/defensive contribution.

 

Good on him. He's proved me wrong the past few games.

[Corky]

Amartey shouldn't have even received the ball in that situation, Musa took far too long to decide what to do and Amartey was closed down and made a snap decision to pass it. It would've been tough to score from there.

[AKCJ]

1 hour ago, Col city fan said:

Write what you want. Just because you and others tell me I'm wrong, it don't me think it!

If anything, the opposite....

I know what I'm seeing, our midfield is duff. Let's all hope that Ndidi is the spark it needs. I guess we'll all soon see. Amartey leaves these shores soon. Let's see how we do when he ain't playing.

 

Yeah Col, everybody is wrong and you're right  

Edited 2 January 2017 by AKCJ

[Guest Col city fan]

11 minutes ago, Corky said:

Amartey shouldn't have even received the ball in that situation, Musa took far too long to decide what to do and Amartey was closed down and made a snap decision to pass it. It would've been tough to score from there.

Cmon Corky... it was there to be hit. Clear as day. Musa did take longer than he could but Amartey had more than enough time to run onto that ball and smash it.

The snap decision would have been kind of ok if it wasn't to Ulloa. The chance went begging.....and it was a chance.

Quid pro quo. If I'm being (harshly) ostracized for bringing up Amartey, the opposite has to be conceded. That was a shot waiting to be hit.

[shen]

11 minutes ago, Col city fan said:

Cmon Corky... it was there to be hit. Clear as day. Musa did take longer than he could but Amartey had more than enough time to run onto that ball and smash it.

The snap decision would have been kind of ok if it wasn't to Ulloa. The chance went begging.....and it was a chance.

Quid pro quo. If I'm being (harshly) ostracized for bringing up Amartey, the opposite has to be conceded. That was a shot waiting to be hit.

Col, you really are something special. You're not being harshly ostracized, you're just not backing down. Babylon is absolutely right. Had Amartey shot and skied it, you would be criticising him for shooting instead of passing it. It wasn't like it was a clear cut chance that fell to a prolific goalscorer. It's astonishing how you're willing to pin the team's failure to score on that incident, or at the very least make a minor blotch on Amartey's performance a huge smudge.

 

Musa, a £17m attacker no less, gets off scot free despite having had the option to a) run past his defender and cross it or b) cut inside and shoot. After all, that's what you'd expect from a pacy attacker even when deployed wide. He does neither and instead plays a ball that Amartey does not (rightly) seem to expect.
 

Then Ulloa, who's in the box, also gets off scot free, because he's "not renowned for turning and finishing". Giroud is not exactly known for his acrobatic skills and scorpion kick goals either, is he? It's Ulloa's bloody job and purpose as a striker to finish moves. He takes a touch backwards instead of forwards where he likely would've had time to get a shot off.

I've seen the 'incident' a dozen times over now and I just do not get what you're so upset with Amartey about.