Slovenia v England 11/10/16 7.45

[Webbo]

1 minute ago, foxes_rule1978 said:

 

Since getting embarrassed by not qualifying for Euro 2008 we have actually got worse so whatever the FA are doing to try to help bring those players we need through doesn't seem to be working... things are declining 

What do you suggest then?

[Guest Col city fan]

2 minutes ago, Webbo said:

Some serious knee jerk over reactions here. It was a crap performance but a point away from home isn't terrible. Some saying they wanted us to lose, they want us not to qualify because that will make the FA change things. Change what? Are they suddenly going to be able to magic up 10 world class players? We've had 3 different managers in the last 4 games and not 1 of them has picked Drinkwater, do you think maybe it's him and not them?

 

Last season people were saying we should pick Vardy on form, well he hasn't been pulling up any trees this season.

I recall last game Webbo you were saying that we were finding it difficult to break down an opposition that parked the bus. No offense, but what's the excuse tonight? I don't think these are serious 'knee jerk reactions'. We have just, yet again, watched a team full of highly paid internationals churn out a performance that was utterly turgid. And we very nearly lost the game.

When does 'over reaction' stop and genuine bewilderment start?

[tom27111]

I don't want any of our players anywhere near that shower of shite at the minute if I'm perfectly honest.

 

Last season, when on form, they should've walked in to that team.

 

I'd tell them where to stick it if I was Drinkwater. Wilshire and Henderson picked over him in the summer?

 

They'd both just come back from injuries.

[ALC Fox]

3 minutes ago, easilee said:

Southgate just doesn't seem the type to command respect.

Manager of England has to be someone who the players respect as a man and an earner as sad as that is.

 

To be fair I reckon the players would reapect him. He's now quite experienced as the manager of a national side and was one of our finest centre halves in his prime. He speaks well, leads by example, and I can imagine him being very popular. He also has a steel in his eyes. I think he's not to be messed with. I'm not sure where this perception of Southgate being weak or disrespected has come from. It's a little annoying to be honest, as if someone suggested it once and somehow it stuck.

[ScouseFox]

this point away from home is quite frankly terrible, whatever anyone wants to pretend. they're ranked 67th in the world. norway are ranked 70th and san marino nearly got a point there. uganda are ranked 65th. the UAE 66th. nobody should be pretending this is a good point. 

[Webbo]

2 minutes ago, Col city fan said:

I recall last game Webbo you were saying that we were finding it difficult to break down an opposition that parked the bus. No offense, but what's the excuse tonight? I don't think these are serious 'knee jerk reactions'. We have just, yet again, watched a team full of highly paid internationals churn out a performance that was utterly turgid. And we very nearly lost the game.

When does 'over reaction' stop and genuine bewilderment start?

I said it was a crap performance. Sometimes Leicester play crap but we still want them to win. We have a very average squad atm, losing isn't going to improve that.

[VLC86]

3 minutes ago, Webbo said:

Some serious knee jerk over reactions here. It was a crap performance but a point away from home isn't terrible. Some saying they wanted us to lose, they want us not to qualify because that will make the FA change things. Change what? Are they suddenly going to be able to magic up 10 world class players? We've had 3 different managers in the last 4 games and not 1 of them has picked Drinkwater, do you think maybe it's him and not them?

 

Last season people were saying we should pick Vardy on form, well he hasn't been pulling up any trees this season.

Can't be bothered to reply in full to this but as a comparison, was us going down to League 1 a good thing in the end? Similar logic to my suggestion of us losing and not qualifying. Would us reviewing everything generate 10 world class players? Probably not, would it mean we might properly evaluate everything from grass roots to selection policy and youth contracts which could build steady foundations? Probably if we get rid of clueless morons in the FA.

 

Make no mistake, in 10/15 years we will be minnows against teams we laughed at 10 years ago.

 

Looks like I have found the time to reply in full .

[Wymsey]

Teams like Germany, Spain, France are likely to get results like this in the future at some point but would be pleased now to lose.

 

Even top teams have naff days.

[tom27111]

Sorry @Webbo, it can't be called knee-jerk.

 

It's been going on for years.

 

I think after the summer, this could've been a fresh start, but nothing has materialised. 

 

A time comes when enough is enough.

[Finnegan]

where are Iceland ranked @ScouseFox

[foxes_rule1978]

Just now, Webbo said:

What do you suggest then?

Im not getting paid millions to know what needs to be done for that to happen, but the people who are responsible clearly aren't doing their jobs right if the quality is decreasing.

 

They could do with waking up and realising huge changes are required from top to bottom within the FA itself. I can't feel anything improving, we need a structure and our own philosophy that is built on at all levels starting from the grassroots. Kids need to not be playing on full size pitches, we need to start seeing the more creative technical players coming through, rather than the strong and quick ones we seem to get. 

[foxes_rule1978]

3 minutes ago, Wymeswold fox said:

Teams like Germany, Spain, France are likely to get results like this in the future at some point but would be pleased now to lose.

 

Even top teams have naff days.

The problem is when did we have a good game? Fair enough if we got the results they do

[Parafox]

1 hour ago, Trav Le Bleu said:

This would be the perfect game for Vardy.

 

So expect to see him in the 89th minute.

 

When will the Vardy ass lickers realise that he isn't a fit in the England team. He plays on the break. England don't. No matter what the opposition set up is, England DO NOT PLAY ON THE BREAK. He is wasted even being there. Get him out of the squad and safely back home for us.

[Webbo]

1 minute ago, Costock_Fox said:

Can't be bothered to reply in full to this but as a comparison, was us going down to League 1 a good thing in the end? Similar logic to my suggestion of us losing and not qualifying. Would us reviewing everything generate 10 world class players? Probably not, would it mean we might properly evaluate everything from grass roots to selection policy and youth contracts which could build steady foundations? Probably if we get rid of clueless morons in the FA.

 

Make no mistake, in 10/15 years we will be minnows against teams we laughed at 10 years ago.

 

Looks like I have found the time to reply in full .

Going down to league 1 didn't feel like a good thing at the time, we got out of League 1 by buying better players, England can't do that.We didn't qualify in 2008, by your theory we should have a great by now.

[Parafox]

Genuinely one of the worst games England have played since the Euros. No hope in the actual tournament. What is the point of Rose Dier Sturridge Walcott Rooney? Hart... top saves and is better for being away from Man City

[fuchsntf]

8 minutes ago, HathernFox said:

It's not just the manager and players tonight is it. It's the entire set up. Since 2002-2004 something has been inherently wrong in the mentality of England. The FA select only "Yes" managers who will select the players from the big clubs. Because the players earn more from the big clubs, and coupled with the fact they are intensely scrutinised they have an incentive to not take the risks they would usually take in the League. They certainly don't perform as per their usual standard in the Premier League and try to make an easy side pass to not be the potential scapegoat.

 

The media is double edged sword which is so quick to big them up and so quick to humiliate them when things go wrong. We probably have the most self depreciative and self destructive media in Europe when they put their mind to it. 

 

Tactically there is no identity as we try to copy whoever has the current trend set up (see Tika-taka and German directness) and ultimately create a very shyt diluted version. The manager, whoever it is, never picks a formation that maximises the potential of his squad which makes everything look lethargic.

 

I really don't want to think it as I support Leicester and England equally, but we need to not make Russia for a serious wake up call and for a full reform to take place. Of course the current set of England players are not great players, but as we've seen with our own team, if everything is right they can definitely become greater than the sum of their parts. 

We've had those serious wake up calls...I never want us to miss out on any WCUP or Euros.

We are English..we just get on with it.

Henderson, Rooney dont move the Ball quick enough..Both can actually pick a pass, but they are too slow

through the whole game in reacting to their own  forwards runs.

Diers problem tonight was Henderson.

Walcott/ Townsend/Sterling....Walcott doesnt get in the squad. The other 2 are now better moving forward using their feet n pace.

Sturridge needs a good season behind him before he shouldcsee the squad again.  

Rashford, Vardy, Kane, Sterling, even Rooney  at 9, should be at the head of the Queue for the 2 striker positions before him.

Forget the experience...put the younger players in and let them develope together.

 

 

[trabuch]

The players aren't good enough. We do have good players in this country, but even if they win the league by 10 points they can't get in the team. Players from unfashionable sides don't get in FACT. [AlthoughTownsend(!) looked very dangerous when he came on].If a Leicester fan can't see there is something seriously wrong going on at the FA then God help us.

[Donut]

We cant sign anyone.

 

If people insist the manager has to be English, youre left with no good candidates.

 

We scapegoat players and put all the blame onto them, and then when they are taken out of the team we are no better.

 

We dont produce players with top level technical skills like other nations.

 

What do people expect?

 

As we are now, getting out of groups and no more is about where we are.

[Trav Le Bleu]

45 minutes ago, Izzy Muzzett said:

Good point away from home against a tough, physical team. Top of the group, unbeaten, Russia here we come...

Unless you're referring to Syria...

 

[foxes_rule1978]

1 minute ago, Donut said:

We cant sign anyone.

 

If people insist the manager has to be English, youre left with no good candidates.

 

We scapegoat players and put all the blame onto them, and then when they are taken out of the team we are no better.

 

We dont produce players with top level technical skills like other nations.

 

What do people expect?

 

As we are now, getting out of groups and no more is about where we are.

Why aren't we producing those players? Surely this is the question that needs answering, and we should be putting some form of plan in place to get those players through. 

[Tielemans63]

The one chink of light is that the age group England football teams are doing pretty well on the whole. 

 

If someone can find a way of helping these young lads to stay grounded and focused when fame comes calling then we might have a chance. But therein lies the problem.

 

I'm absolutely convinced that it's the ridiculous money that these guys earn that is killing it. There seems to be this curiously inverse trend whereby the more you pay players the less they seem to be willing to put themselves out there. They get a taste of glory and it's like they've made it so why keep busting a gut like you once did? We're seeing it in our own backyard now with Jamie Vardy. 

 

I don't have any time for the theory that 10 years plus of underperformance is because they find it difficult to deal with pressure - that's bollocks because they play for Premier League clubs in a pressured environment every week and if they really can't deal with pressure then why are they in the squad?

 

The crux of the problem is that international football is way down the list of priorities for these guys. They pay lip service but I honestly think many see it as an inconvenience to their club careers. Playing for your country is not what it was before the game went money mad.

 

Equally as culpable, maybe more so, are the FA. These guys run the most profitable national FA on the planet, they are men making some serious cash and yet how many decent English coaches have they produced since it became clear there was a problem over a decade ago? The fact is they don't really give a shit about the actual football because they're too busy riding the gravy train- it's disgusting.

 

It hurts because I think we all as fans want a strong national team and a strong international game but what we're witnessing is it's rapid decline as it's not considered as lucrative as club football to people whose key criteria is profitability - it's an afterthought for players and administrators these days.

 

 

 

 

[ScouseFox]

11 minutes ago, Finnegan said:

where are Iceland ranked @ScouseFox

a quite impressive 27th. our 2-1 defeat was probably a "good defeat" based on that. 

 

ranked a few places above this incredible slovenian side who we have bravely battled to a remarkable point against is panama ffs. st kitts n nevis, who's record ever goal scorer played for our u15 girls are nearly as good as Slovenia ffs. 

 

a good point. I'm going to bed. 

[VLC86]

10 minutes ago, Webbo said:

Going down to league 1 didn't feel like a good thing at the time, we got out of League 1 by buying better players, England can't do that.We didn't qualify in 2008, by your theory we should have a great by now.

Nope, see the part about clueless people in the FA.    If you keep doing the same thing you will get the same results.

[trabuch]

I wonder if Messi would have got anywhere if he'd been born in England? Or would he have been considered too small and ended up working in Tescos? 

[The Horse's Mouth]

Happy with a draw as Slovenia should've won, awful from pretty much everyone but Hart. It's not like we're going to learn from this though, our group is a walk in the park and we'll play awful shit for the next 2 years and get absolutely battered at the world cup. It's the never ending cycle.