Time to buy players with experience in the british leagues

[JamesWelshFox]

Sure plenty will disagree, but I think we need a couple of proven Premier League players and maybe a couple of top Championship players, all with a point to prove and who will thrive in the environment we have, look at how Albrighton has developed in that environment. 

 

I am not sure you could call last summers big spend on overseas talent a storming success. The only one who has really proven to be value is Ndidi. I think Amartey will succeed in due course when we decide what is his best position (centre back perhaps). I am not convinced about Slimani and personally would offload him this summer if possible.

 

I think sometimes we are blinded to the talent available domestically by the hype that surrounds overseas star players. There is talent at home but it is not getting the opportunity to play and develop, and so that development stalls.

 

Only my simple view, so go ahead debate it and I may change my mind by the time you are done.

[MPH]

And yet you'd take pickford ahead of Hart? hart has much more prem experience!

[RumbleFox]

Hello there

I think, to debate as you requested, the key is not where people come from but whether our scouts believe them to be a good fit. Yes, it is probably easier to assess someone who is proven at this level, in this league, than someone playing in a foreign league but, conversely, there are probably more bargains abroad if we take a risk. I feel that as long as the transfer fee is not excessive then if we buy a player and it doesn't work out then the risk was worth taking. For every Wague there is a Mahrez after all.

The problem with buying "British" (as in British based not necessarily British by nationality) is that the transfer fees are so massively inflated it is difficult. Even Championship players can command huge price tags. I agree that we should be on the look out for bargains at home (Albrighton is a great example, as are Wes and Huth) when we can but looking further afield is clearly worth it too.

I don't see why it needs to be one or another, the right option is probably a blend. Where would we be without Fuchs, Kante, NDidi, Mahrez and Okazaki? Apart from Ndidi the other four were vital to our success last year and apart from Fuchs all were a gamble.

What I do believe is that when we buy players we should interview them to assess their character (as would happen in any other normal workplace). I don't mind whether we buy someone from Burton Albion or Torino but we should at least find out if he is a spazmongler or not.

I say try and pick up a few bargains/people with something to prove from the English leagues but also try a few risks from abroad. We all love a fvcking 17 year old Brazilian wonderkid after all.

Anyway, let's just hope we manage to improve on this season.

Up the Foxes.

Rumble.

X

(As an aside, and this is in no way directed at you but a more general note, I do cringe a little when some people bang on about "British players", it all gets a bit UKIP. As I said, not directed at you but some people definitely hold this view.)

[Kitchandro]

56 minutes ago, MPH said:

And yet you'd take pickford ahead of Hart? hart has much more prem experience!

That's one example, you can't use that to discredit someone's argument.

 

Hart is shit, the OP didn't say every signing we make should be based on their Premier League experience, just that we need a bit more.

 

I don't really care much for Premier League experience on it's own, I think it's massively overrated.

 

However, our scouting team seems to have forgotten that amazing stats (obscure ones especially) count for little if they're based in poor leagues like Russia, for example.

 

Picking cheap gems up from abroad is a good long term strategy but it needs to be tied in with promising young English players with hunger and marquee buys who we know can do the job.

 

We took too many liberties in the summer, we thought every foreigner was going to be the next Kante or Mahrez to the extent where I can't believe we actually watched them play, because most of them are nowhere near at the level we should be aiming for.

 

It struck me that we were a club who had stepped up to a higher league in terms of the transfer market and had no idea how to adapt.

[Koke]

I'm not sure. There are plenty of players who come to England and become instant success. Kante, Zlatan, Mhiki, Ndidi etc. There we many who flop as well. 

 

There are many British PL experiences players who flop as well. West Ham fans are already sick and tired of Snodgrass and want their money back. Schlupp is PL experienced and he is turd.

 

For every Musa there is a Kante. It's all about proper scouting, not nationality or experience in PL.

[Samilktray]

#britainfirst 

[The whole world smiles]

Quite simply we need to sign players whose personalities fit in with the rest of the squad and whose skill set will improve the team.

 

Who gives a rat's arse if they are british, Dutch or outer mongolian? 

[dylanlegend]

As Pearson used to say, we should only sign players who improve the first team. Doesn't matter where they are from, although being familiar with The UK is beneficial 

[Thracian]

1 hour ago, RumbleFox said:

Hello there

I think, to debate as you requested, the key is not where people come from but whether our scouts believe them to be a good fit. Yes, it is probably easier to assess someone who is proven at this level, in this league, than someone playing in a foreign league but, conversely, there are probably more bargains abroad if we take a risk. I feel that as long as the transfer fee is not excessive then if we buy a player and it doesn't work out then the risk was worth taking. For every Wague there is a Mahrez after all.

The problem with buying "British" (as in British based not necessarily British by nationality) is that the transfer fees are so massively inflated it is difficult. Even Championship players can command huge price tags. I agree that we should be on the look out for bargains at home (Albrighton is a great example, as are Wes and Huth) when we can but looking further afield is clearly worth it too.

I don't see why it needs to be one or another, the right option is probably a blend. Where would we be without Fuchs, Kante, NDidi, Mahrez and Okazaki? Apart from Ndidi the other four were vital to our success last year and apart from Fuchs all were a gamble.

What I do believe is that when we buy players we should interview them to assess their character (as would happen in any other normal workplace). I don't mind whether we buy someone from Burton Albion or Torino but we should at least find out if he is a spazmongler or not.

I say try and pick up a few bargains/people with something to prove from the English leagues but also try a few risks from abroad. We all love a fvcking 17 year old Brazilian wonderkid after all.

Anyway, let's just hope we manage to improve on this season.

Up the Foxes.

Rumble.

X

(As an aside, and this is in no way directed at you but a more general note, I do cringe a little when some people bang on about "British players", it all gets a bit UKIP. As I said, not directed at you but some people definitely hold this view.)

It's time someone flew  the flag for British players as keenly as we fly the flag for Leicester players because there's not many breaking through from our Academy and not many to be found in the lists of transfer targets.

The mass import of overseas players has done untold harm to the chance of English trainees graduating through  to our first team or to the national team which has been a sad sight almost constantly since Sir Alf Ramsey's day.

Even the money-mad football authorities acknowledge the problem and have grudgingly tried to redress the balance, pathetic though their efforts are,

But basically we're no longer just importing the cream from the continent and beyond (theoretically of great benefit for all but the clubs/countries losing those players) but we're also engaging ordinary players resulting in even less chance for home-grown players to progress. It's a form of self harm but we accept/encourage it even on here.

 

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[MPH]

3 hours ago, Kitchandro said:

That's one example, you can't use that to discredit someone's argument.

 

Hart is shit, the OP didn't say every signing we make should be based on their Premier League experience, just that we need a bit more.

 

I don't really care much for Premier League experience on it's own, I think it's massively overrated.

 

However, our scouting team seems to have forgotten that amazing stats (obscure ones especially) count for little if they're based in poor leagues like Russia, for example.

 

Picking cheap gems up from abroad is a good long term strategy but it needs to be tied in with promising young English players with hunger and marquee buys who we know can do the job.

 

We took too many liberties in the summer, we thought every foreigner was going to be the next Kante or Mahrez to the extent where I can't believe we actually watched them play, because most of them are nowhere near at the level we should be aiming for.

 

It struck me that we were a club who had stepped up to a higher league in terms of the transfer market and had no idea how to adapt.

 

 

 

Stopped reading your post right there.

[foxy boxing]

we've certainly bought a lot of young players who have no experience of the Premier League, and while good young players with lots of potential with plenty of ability it usually generally needs time probably a season or two for these players to bed in and get used to the speed of the Premier League. I certainly like us to buy young players who already have experience of this league but those sort of players don't come cheap and clubs would most likely be unwilling to sell to us!

[Steven]

11 hours ago, Samilktray said:

#britainfirst 

 

#leicestercityfirst

[Adster]

9 hours ago, MPH said:

 

 

 

Stopped reading your post right there.

 

Why? Hart is fvcking shit. No worse than the goalkeepers at Man City, but he's still awful.

[AmarteyAndChill]

1 minute ago, Adster said:

 

Why? Hart is fvcking shit. No worse than the goalkeepers at Man City, but he's still awful.

He's awful 

[MPH]

24 minutes ago, Adster said:

 

Why? Hart is fvcking shit. No worse than the goalkeepers at Man City, but he's still awful.

 

 

No no one is saying he's the best in the world but nothing like being over dramatic, eh?

[Guest]

they just need to buy good players. that's it

[Tielemans63]

20 hours ago, RumbleFox said:

 I don't mind whether we buy someone from Burton Albion or Torino but we should at least find out if he is a spazmongler or not.
 

'spazmongler'

[Ian Nacho]

On 25/04/2017 at 20:22, JamesWelshFox said:

Sure plenty will disagree, but I think we need a couple of proven Premier League players and maybe a couple of top Championship players, all with a point to prove and who will thrive in the environment we have, look at how Albrighton has developed in that environment. 

 

I am not sure you could call last summers big spend on overseas talent a storming success. The only one who has really proven to be value is Ndidi. I think Amartey will succeed in due course when we decide what is his best position (centre back perhaps). I am not convinced about Slimani and personally would offload him this summer if possible.

 

I think sometimes we are blinded to the talent available domestically by the hype that surrounds overseas star players. There is talent at home but it is not getting the opportunity to play and develop, and so that development stalls.

 

Only my simple view, so go ahead debate it and I may change my mind by the time you are done.

 

I agree with this totally because some of the foreign players we've bought in recent years, Slimani, Musa, Kramaric and so on haven't achieved expectation levels. Maybe buying young lads from abroad wouldn't be a bad idea because they can learn the English style of football before their fully developed footballers.

[An Away Move]

It is all about individuals and not nationalities IMO

[Gerard]

Stick you foreign rubbish like Mahrez and Kante, more Matt Mills and Beckford's please. 

 

Judge each player on their merits, not their nationality or the league they come from. It would be incredibly stupid of us to shut down certain markets just because we bought poorly from foreign leagues last season. 

[Redouane]

Mahrez, Kante, Ndidi, ect, didn't have experience in the British league before coming to Leicester. So your logic is flawed. 

 

Plus, buying players from the EPL is way more expensive than say Ligue 1, Belgium league, russian league, ect. 

[BenTheFox]

I'd like to see us sign more players from the English leagues. Don't get me wrong, some of our best ever signings have come from abroad, but our squad doesn't need a complete overhaul and I'd rather we spend a bit more money on players who are more likely to be a success. I'm not going to lie, I'm saying this because we had our fingers burnt last summer overpaying for players who could all conceivably not be at the club by the end of this summer. 

[fuchsntf]

There are two major hurdles, one has to take into account when re-investing in players.

The business of choice does have its hang ups..

 

1) English players, plus their agents tend to overrate their value  both in transfer and wages.

2) AFCON players, leave you going through Jan-March without maybe your inform players.

 

Plus our business of finding quality, from within our development/u23 squad is downright poor .

Since promotion, whos pushed their head above the parapits.

IMO, it shouldnt be about the odd player like Chilwell/Dodoo, but seeing regular over 3-4yrs 5-6 players

Being good enough to see the bench and 1st team football, even if the odd one is moved on.

[Thracian]

On 02/05/2017 at 10:44, Gerard said:

Stick you foreign rubbish like Mahrez and Kante, more Matt Mills and Beckford's please. 

 

Judge each player on their merits, not their nationality or the league they come from. It would be incredibly stupid of us to shut down certain markets just because we bought poorly from foreign leagues last season. 

Players like Kante, Bergkamp, Thierry Henry etc aren't the problem when it comes to the development of Academy graduates - it's all the also-rans who've found jobs in the English leagues at the expense of those Academy students.

It's not about shutting anything down but about being more selective and ensuring there's enough space for our own talent to flourish.

Such a low first team input from our Academy in recent seasons is scandalous and a pointer towards serious failings,  some of which might have little or nothing to do with coaching.   

[adamlcfcbevo85]

Sigurdsson and Gibson and keane would be my first choices, must buys,

I'd try and offload okazaki and bring in deeney or ings can't remember if ings is injured or just doesn't feature