Retrospective Diving Bans?

[DennisNedry]

This was discussed on MOTD 2 last night after another day of football tainted by cheating.

 

I think it's time 3 match bans were handed out to players guilty of diving to win penalties. Players will continue to cheat where there's no deterrent. 

 

Rashford & Sane could have sealed Swansea's & Middlesborough's fates with his Tom Daley impression... it's not like there's £100,000,000s and jobs at stake...

 

I'd say it's worth seeing Vardy get a few suspensions if it wipes it out of the English game.

[DJ Barry Hammond]

 

Or just do away with fouls altogether. That would make players stay on their feet!

[Fox92]

Sadly it would still have sealed their fate as it's retrospective. Referees obviously need help during the game.

[Samilktray]

They were genuinely trying to come up with reasons to justify Rashfords dive on SSN earlier, it was amazing. Being British does have its benefits 

[Manwell Pablo]

Making it a red card offence would be a start. Can't give a retrospective ban for a yellow card offence

[Swarles Barkley]

3 games ban not enough. Gve it 5 and a massive fine and you wont see a single dive happen. But the FA dont have the balls to do anything so dont be surprised to see diving be even more regular

[Kitchandro]

There is no punishment that would be too much for this. It's premeditated and immorally dishonest and therefore you cannot sympathise with someone caught doing it at all.

 

The fact that it's only a yellow card at the moment - the same punishment as for a mistimed tackle in certain areas of the pitch, is an absolute joke.

 

We've let people tell us it's part of the game for too long.

[ajthefox]

30 minutes ago, Kitchandro said:

There is no punishment that would be too much for this. It's premeditated and immorally dishonest and therefore you cannot sympathise with someone caught doing it at all.

 

The fact that it's only a yellow card at the moment - the same punishment as for a mistimed tackle in certain areas of the pitch, is an absolute joke.

 

We've let people tell us it's part of the game for too long.

I agree.

 

Every Monday afternoon at 3, those players who have dived or feigned contact should be executed by a firing squad. That'll show 'em.

[Aleksz]

The thing is though, You simply don't get a penalty unless you go down these days. Obviously absolutely ridiculous and blatant diving should be punished, but you're gonna get players deliberately staying on their feet in fear of getting retrospectively banned - and not winning a penalty when they deserve one. Where do you draw the line? 

[Ian Nacho]

To be honest, Vardy has started this entire trend off, he was doing it in the Championship an awful lot the year we won the league. I think we had about 23 penalties that year, something along those lines, and Vardy won about 18 of them. It's not necessarily diving but it's just immoral and unsporting because the player is deceiving the referee as the player who has gone over is the one who has initiated the contact. It's going to be very difficult to give retrospective bans for stuff like this because you can never be sure if the contact by the player who appeared to be fouled was intentional or not. However, it would be easy to punish players like Rashford yesterday because that was a clear dive. I think there is a major problem in football at the moment when players are looking to be fouled and go down under the slightest contact so something needs to be done, not necessarily banning players but the referees becoming more ruthless and not giving free kicks for silly little free kicks where a player as intentionally slowed down to ensure the opposition player runs into the back of them. In regards to penalties, referees need extra help in making decisions as just because there's contact in the box and the defender hasn't got the ball doesn't mean it's a foul so technology needs to be brought in. 

[Fox92]

26 minutes ago, gcxttle said:

To be honest, Vardy has started this entire trend off, he was doing it in the Championship an awful lot the year we won the league. I think we had about 23 penalties that year, something along those lines, and Vardy won about 18 of them. It's not necessarily diving but it's just immoral and unsporting because the player is deceiving the referee as the player who has gone over is the one who has initiated the contact. It's going to be very difficult to give retrospective bans for stuff like this because you can never be sure if the contact by the player who appeared to be fouled was intentional or not. However, it would be easy to punish players like Rashford yesterday because that was a clear dive. I think there is a major problem in football at the moment when players are looking to be fouled and go down under the slightest contact so something needs to be done, not necessarily banning players but the referees becoming more ruthless and not giving free kicks for silly little free kicks where a player as intentionally slowed down to ensure the opposition player runs into the back of them. In regards to penalties, referees need extra help in making decisions as just because there's contact in the box and the defender hasn't got the ball doesn't mean it's a foul so technology needs to be brought in. 

Vardy started what, diving?

 

Referees need to start giving penalties when the player doesn't go down. Coutinho stayed on his feet last week yet if he would have gone down it would have been a penalty. Untill that is sorted we'll have this problem of diving.

[AndWhat?]

Shouldn't just be getting caught diving for a peno, any dive anywhere on the pitch 5 game ban. 10 game ban for rolling around on the floor like a girl after a tackle and doing a Sanchez and pretending the ball hit your face when it clearly hit your shoulder should be a season long ban. 

 

Seriously hate all that shit. 

 

 

[davieG]

This is because the game has gone soft it's becoming nigh on impossible to make a tackle with physical contact where it won't be given as a foul.

 

Even Pulis thought Drinkwater's tackle was acceptable as he got the ball first and only his momentum took the player out. Players know that the pressure is on referees both from players and the media so you get refs second guessing, add to that the inevitable inconsistencies and the whole thing is a total mess with players taking advantage from it.

[DJ Barry Hammond]

11 minutes ago, davieG said:

This is because the game has gone soft it's becoming nigh on impossible to make a tackle with physical contact where it won't be given as a foul.

 

Even Pulis thought Drinkwater's tackle was acceptable as he got the ball first and only his momentum took the player out. Players know that the pressure is on referees both from players and the media so you get refs second guessing, add to that the inevitable inconsistencies and the whole thing is a total mess with players taking advantage from it.

 

Interesting thing with both decisions yesterday was the referees lines of sight appeared to be briefly interrupted at key times for the incident, but probably not long enough for the referee to consider he couldn't see the incident - in fact the brain probably actively bridged the disturbance in vision, making the referee think he saw the whole incident. 

 

Same thing with the Ahtletico Madrid penalty too.

[Stadt]

The thing is what happens when it's debatable? Say for instance Vardy goes down easily although there is some contact but it's hard to discern whether or not it's enough to send him down. Some people will say dive, others will say not.

[Manwell Pablo]

3 hours ago, Wookie said:

The thing is what happens when it's debatable? Say for instance Vardy goes down easily although there is some contact but it's hard to discern whether or not it's enough to send him down. Some people will say dive, others will say not.

 Retrospective action and retrospective is the key word. 

 

Has to be zero contact on a clear replay for me. But yeah thereafter 1 match ban and if the ref views it as a clear and obvious dive at the time what is currently a yellow should be a red.

 

that would be a start anyway, always been confused as to why denying a clear goal scoring opportunity carries twice the penalty of trying to create one.

 

its not really helped by the ban them for 50 games and fine them two hundred billion dollars brigade for me, let's try and get them to implement some sort of realistic penalty that they might actually implement with enough pressure and see if that helps.

[Finnegan]

6 hours ago, gcxttle said:

To be honest, Vardy has started this entire trend off, he was doing it in the Championship an awful lot the year we won the league. I think we had about 23 penalties that year, something along those lines, and Vardy won about 18 of them. It's not necessarily diving but it's just immoral and unsporting because the player is deceiving the referee as the player who has gone over is the one who has initiated the contact. It's going to be very difficult to give retrospective bans for stuff like this because you can never be sure if the contact by the player who appeared to be fouled was intentional or not. However, it would be easy to punish players like Rashford yesterday because that was a clear dive. I think there is a major problem in football at the moment when players are looking to be fouled and go down under the slightest contact so something needs to be done, not necessarily banning players but the referees becoming more ruthless and not giving free kicks for silly little free kicks where a player as intentionally slowed down to ensure the opposition player runs into the back of them. In regards to penalties, referees need extra help in making decisions as just because there's contact in the box and the defender hasn't got the ball doesn't mean it's a foul so technology needs to be brought in. 

 

Rashford didn't do "a Vardy" he just completely dived. He didn't buy contact, there was none.

 

Kane did "a Vardy", he left his leg out knowing the tackle was coming and went down.

 

I mean both cases it's shit behavior but one is avoidable as a defender, just don't lunge in. I mean Kane, Vardy, whoever, it's usually at the edge of the eighteen yard box and they aren't actually going anywhere. If the defender doesn't stick his leg in, nine times out or ten Vardy just puts the ball out for a goal kick.

 

What Rashford did was just see a keeper coming and jump on the ground.

[Manwell Pablo]

2 minutes ago, Finnegan said:

 

Rashford didn't do "a Vardy" he just completely dived. He didn't buy contact, there was none.

 

Kane did "a Vardy", he left his leg out knowing the tackle was coming and went down.

 

I mean both cases it's shit behavior but one is avoidable as a defender, just don't lunge in. I mean Kane, Vardy, whoever, it's usually at the edge of the eighteen yard box and they aren't actually going anywhere. If the defender doesn't stick his leg in, nine times out or ten Vardy just puts the ball out for a goal kick.

 

What Rashford did was just see a keeper coming and jump on the ground.

 Hmmm not always the cast with vardy. Monreal prime example. 

 

But initiating contact yourself is a different discussion to out and out blatant diving I agree.

[theessexfox]

Horrendous from Lucas there. A red card for that would soon get rid of it. 

[TheUltimateWinner]

Should definitely be a ban. Heck make it a red card offence when they bring in video referees, it would suddenly disappear out of the game... 

[Fox92]

5 hours ago, davieG said:

This is because the game has gone soft it's becoming nigh on impossible to make a tackle with physical contact where it won't be given as a foul.

 

Even Pulis thought Drinkwater's tackle was acceptable as he got the ball first and only his momentum took the player out. Players know that the pressure is on referees both from players and the media so you get refs second guessing, add to that the inevitable inconsistencies and the whole thing is a total mess with players taking advantage from it.

This is true.

 

There are plenty of good tackles that are immediately bookings. Drinkwater's challenge was great.

[davieG]

They should narrow the penalty area.

[yorkie1999]

8 hours ago, gcxttle said:

To be honest, Vardy has started this entire trend off, he was doing it in the Championship an awful lot the year we won the league. I think we had about 23 penalties that year, something along those lines, and Vardy won about 18 of them. It's not necessarily diving but it's just immoral and unsporting because the player is deceiving the referee as the player who has gone over is the one who has initiated the contact. It's going to be very difficult to give retrospective bans for stuff like this because you can never be sure if the contact by the player who appeared to be fouled was intentional or not. However, it would be easy to punish players like Rashford yesterday because that was a clear dive. I think there is a major problem in football at the moment when players are looking to be fouled and go down under the slightest contact so something needs to be done, not necessarily banning players but the referees becoming more ruthless and not giving free kicks for silly little free kicks where a player as intentionally slowed down to ensure the opposition player runs into the back of them. In regards to penalties, referees need extra help in making decisions as just because there's contact in the box and the defender hasn't got the ball doesn't mean it's a foul so technology needs to be brought in. 

I think klinsman was better at it. Why don't the just have knock sensors in their boots and socks.

[Trav Le Bleu]

8 hours ago, Fox92 said:

Vardy started what, diving?

 

Referees need to start giving penalties when the player doesn't go down. Coutinho stayed on his feet last week yet if he would have gone down it would have been a penalty. Untill that is sorted we'll have this problem of diving.

What annoys me is when a player lunges at the player with the ball, but he hurdles the challenge to tabloid being clattered, but by doing so loses the ball and the ref doesn't give anything, cos there was no contact. Drives me nuts! What they supposed to do? Take it like a man and risk injury?

 

Will also add, even when I've seen replays, sometimes, though not often, it's not entirely clear if a player dives intentionally or not. When you're at full speed or trying to turn tight, it's possible to just simply, fall over. You can be legitimately tackled and lose your feet.

 

So whilst retrospective videos might go some way, I'd hate to see it go too far the other way, i.e., that player was fairly tackled, but now he's on his face, so he MUST have dived. 

 

Okazaki would be sent off every match!

[Nick]

Diving 5 match ban - simulation/playing for contact 3 match ban and a months wages to charity which should include balls, and head butts with no contact being thrown at players and them going down like they've been shot.

 

Lets clean up our beautiful game and stop it being full of professional drama kings and ensure our players are sportspeople with integrity.

 

Absolutely hate this side of the game and it needs to go - we could learn a lot from Rugby.