Gylfi Sigurdsson

[norwichfox]

3 hours ago, Leeds Fox said:

 

I dogt disagree but I just think the playing for Wales and having family in Wales link was a bit weak. 

Oi...that's Welshist

[Glorious Leicester Fan]

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/transfers/transfer-news-gylfi-sigurdsson-profile-everton-leicester-swansea-latest-a7837516.html

 

An interesting article. Time to move on.

[murphy]

46 minutes ago, Glorious Leicester Fan said:

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/transfers/transfer-news-gylfi-sigurdsson-profile-everton-leicester-swansea-latest-a7837516.html

 

An interesting article. Time to move on.

You beat me to it.  I just read that and it is a bit of an eye opener.

 

9 goals - only 4 from open play

13 assists - only 5 from open play.

 

Good player but  not for 40-50mn

[Babylon]

I'm not most people in the world needed an article to tell them he's not worth close to £40m let alone £50m.

 

To be fair, of course it doesn't tell the full story. You can't compare to players abroad because he's premier league proven which adds to the price. Yes you can buy amazing talent from abroad for that, we could have signed Lacazette. Except we couldn't because he wouldn't have wanted to come here like almost all the other top talent that's valued at £50m abroad. So you end up back in the murky waters of unproven players who'd actually fancy a move here. Which is difficult to call, nobody gets that right all the time.

[murphy]

4 minutes ago, Babylon said:

I'm not most people in the world needed an article to tell them he's not worth close to £40m let alone £50m.

 

To be fair, of course it doesn't tell the full story. You can't compare to players abroad because he's premier league proven which adds to the price. Yes you can buy amazing talent from abroad for that, we could have signed Lacazette. Except we couldn't because he wouldn't have wanted to come here like almost all the other top talent that's valued at £50m abroad. So you end up back in the murky waters of unproven players who'd actually fancy a move here. Which is difficult to call, nobody gets that right all the time.

Well I haven't seen that much of Swansea so I found that article very interesting. 

 

Lacazette might not want to come here but nor does Gylfi.  We should move on.

[coolhandfox]

1 minute ago, Glorious Leicester Fan said:

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/transfers/transfer-news-gylfi-sigurdsson-profile-everton-leicester-swansea-latest-a7837516.html

 

An interesting article. Time to move on.

 

Seem to suggest his all about set pieces and undervalues that quality. Considering Chelsea won the league and scored more then anyone else via that route, 22 goals, whilst we were one of the poorer sides at set pieces, I'd say it another good reason to sign him.

[coolhandfox]

10 minutes ago, murphy said:

You beat me to it.  I just read that and it is a bit of an eye opener.

 

9 goals - only 4 from open play

13 assists - only 5 from open play.

 

Good player but  not for 40-50mn

 

Are set piece goals worth less? 

 

He has a positive impact on his team, he's not worth 50m, but that's not due to the fact that most of his contributions are by dead ball situations.

[Scotch]

4 minutes ago, murphy said:

Well I haven't seen that much of Swansea so I found that article very interesting. 

 

Lacazette might not want to come here but nor does Gylfi.  We should move on.

Have I missed something? What indicates that he doesn't want to come here? We haven't had a bid accepted so officially we can't have spoken to him, meaning he can't have officially turned us down....

 

Just wondering if I've missed something that everyone claiming he doesn't want to be here, hasn't.  

[murphy]

8 minutes ago, coolhandfox said:

 

Are set piece goals worth less? 

 

He has a positive impact on his team, he's not worth 50m, but that's not due to the fact that most of his contributions are by dead ball situations.

It shows that Siggurdsson is not the player that I thought he was.  As I said, I haven't seen much of Swansea but I thought he was the creative player to unlock defences and play in Vardy.  The fact that half his goals and assists have come from pens and set pieces show me that this is not the case.

[Xen]

22 minutes ago, coolhandfox said:

 

Are set piece goals worth less? 

 

He has a positive impact on his team, he's not worth 50m, but that's not due to the fact that most of his contributions are by dead ball situations.

Penalties don't count, remember?

 

Presumably nor do free-kicks...

[vanity]

1 hour ago, Glorious Leicester Fan said:

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/transfers/transfer-news-gylfi-sigurdsson-profile-everton-leicester-swansea-latest-a7837516.html

 

An interesting article. Time to move on.

Eh, this is a pretty superficial look at this situation, if we're honest. The problem starts with the data. Using one season is lazy for the point the writer is making, as he has an obviously superior data-set of his three seasons with Swansea. There are several problems with drawing conclusions based on one season. Most obviously, it is a small sample size. If the author wrote the same article about Mahrez, looking just at last season, Mahrez would be worth about 10 mill. Simply not how players are valued.

Gylfi also had rather shoddy talent around him last season -- using three seasons would at least mitigate that somewhat, as IIRC Swansea managed a top-half finish Gylfi's first season, when the team had better players. We'd get a more accurate picture of the player he is, and how he helps his team succeed. 

 

Next, what does that move Brighton made have relevance here? Gross has never played in the Prem, and has six goals in the top flight of Germany in two seasons. Why is this a comparable to the Gylfi move? Because they both play MF? It would be very straightforward to look at Gylfi's profile and give us the comparables of players similar in age and accomplishment. Transfermarkt almost does it it entirely for you. Even gives you the transfer prices. That would be useful. Pointing out one random MF a just-promoted squad signed from a foreign league isn't revealing.

 

The silliest thing is the author realizes that to some extent, and tries to anticipate the complaint with the bit about the Premier League Premium being hopelessly naive "when you think of all the great players in the league that started outside of England"... come off it mate, don't be so bloody lazy with your thinking. There are ample articles written about the high profile flops coming from other leagues to the Prem (https://www.fourfourtwo.com/us/features/why-do-so-many-big-serie-signings-flop-premier-league). The fact that there are many great players who started outside of Europe doesn't mean that we should ignore the wealth of data suggesting different leagues require different skills to excel, and being great in one doesn't mean you are great in another. Just embarrassing.

 

There are more issues, but I already sound like a **** pedant. For the record, I don't necessarily disagree with the author's overall point, it simply isn't supported by the data used, and the author's reasoning is half-baked. Shame, tightening up could've produced something insightful.

[ktfox59]

1 hour ago, murphy said:

It shows that Siggurdsson is not the player that I thought he was.  As I said, I haven't seen much of Swansea but I thought he was the creative player to unlock defences and play in Vardy.  The fact that half his goals and assists have come from pens and set pieces show me that this is not the case.

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[SecretPro]

I like Gylfi but I've never been convinced he's worth anywhere near his asking price, if he was he'd be on Man City, United or Chelsea's books. He's a Spurs reject and looks great in a dog awful Swansea side. When I first saw 50m I had to giggle. I'd take him here, but not for anywhere near that. 

[STUHILL]

Think £40 Million is and should be our only offer. He is worth about £30 million in today's climate so even 40 was too much, but can see why we wanted to get it done and went that high. Time to look elsewhere and get better value abroad. Swansea have priced him out of a deal and I don't think we are the move he is after anyway. Gutted as thought he would be a great signing but let's spend 50million elsewhere (probably 2-3 players!) 

[coolhandfox]

2 hours ago, murphy said:

It shows that Siggurdsson is not the player that I thought he was.  As I said, I haven't seen much of Swansea but I thought he was the creative player to unlock defences and play in Vardy.  The fact that half his goals and assists have come from pens and set pieces show me that this is not the case.

Yes, but creative player isn't alway the person with the final pass.

 

He scored or assisted 50% of Swansea goals, so in some fashion he was involved in 22 goals.

 

It's not his quality which is the problem, but he's value to Swansea.

 

[The Quick Brown Fox]

You have to admire Swansea, to them he's worth £50 million. You want him you pay, if not he stays. I just hope we do the same when it comes to selling our players. I know he hasn't asked to leave which helps the case but still, better than cashing in at the first sign of an offer. 

[LCCFox96]

3 hours ago, murphy said:

It shows that Siggurdsson is not the player that I thought he was.  As I said, I haven't seen much of Swansea but I thought he was the creative player to unlock defences and play in Vardy.  The fact that half his goals and assists have come from pens and set pieces show me that this is not the case.

 

He probably could do just that. He doesn't have to do that for Swansea. What good is a ball over the top to Llorente to run onto? Swansea's attacking style of play is to hit the big CF so assists from Sigurdsson's set pieces so success in my opinion. I'm sure he's adaptable enough to play passes in behind if required in our system too. 

 

In addition, his threat from free kicks, set pieces and penalties is a good asset for us as we don't have a stand out player for all 3.

[MikeyT]

http://bbc.in/2tNSA7B

 

 

[Countryfox]

4 minutes ago, MikeyT said:

http://bbc.in/2tNSA7B

 

 

 

Wonder if he wants to come here ? ...     pretty clear what our want away star wants to do ...

[Sly]

8 minutes ago, Countryfox said:

 

Wonder if he wants to come here ? ...     pretty clear what our want away star wants to do ...

I thought he'd already made it clear he wouldn't come here? ?

[Guest Col city fan]

Stats are important, but so is actually watching a player with an unbiased eye.

Slim's stats last season were ok, but there were times when I watched him and thought 'has the club really paid 30m for this'. Snatching at chances, first touch like the proverbial, not much pace etc.

His stats might be fine, but Slimani doesn't inspire me with confidence when I watch him play. Amartey, of course, is probably the best example of all. His stats are ok...watching him is very different.

[notnow john]

3 minutes ago, Col city fan said:

Stats are important, but so is actually watching a player with an unbiased eye.

Slim's stats last season were ok, but there were times when I watched him and thought 'has the club really paid 30m for this'. Snatching at chances, first touch like the proverbial, not much pace etc.

His stats might be fine, but Slimani doesn't inspire me with confidence when I watch him play. Amartey, of course, is probably the best example of all. His stats are ok...watching him is very different.

You're  right Col, stats are often used as a crutch by those who don't understand the game!

[Guest Col city fan]

2 minutes ago, notnow john said:

You're  right Col, stats are often used as a crutch by those who don't understand the game!

Let me put it this way mate:

I believe last season that Slimani's stats (for the rel few games he played) were comparable with Vardy's. Given this, who would be happy to offload Vardy and keep Slim?

Similarly, Amartey's stats, I think, were comparable with Drinkwater's. Would you choose the former over the latter?

Stats are really important but can never be overly relied on. You just watch Gylfi and see a calm and composed player. Intelligent.

[HighPeakFox]

2 minutes ago, Col city fan said:

Let me put it this way mate:

I believe last season that Slimani's stats (for the rel few games he played) were comparable with Vardy's. Given this, who would be happy to offload Vardy and keep Slim?

Similarly, Amartey's stats, I think, were comparable with Drinkwater's. Would you choose the former over the latter?

Stats are really important but can never be overly relied on. You just watch Gylfi and see a calm and composed player. Intelligent.

Spot on.

[Steven]

21 hours ago, WigstonWanderer said:

Oh I don't know, personally I like the idea of sitting on my arse while 10s of thousands of pounds roll in weekly.

I don't need to change jobs then.