norwichfox Posted 13 July 2017 Posted 13 July 2017 2 minutes ago, Col city fan said: Good job I didn't write that.. Thought you did....473 times...
filbertway Posted 13 July 2017 Posted 13 July 2017 9 minutes ago, Col city fan said: Good job I didn't write that.. I don't think being on the same page as @weller54 is necessarily a good thing!
Babylon Posted 13 July 2017 Posted 13 July 2017 2 hours ago, weller54 said: Add Amartey to that list too.. He'll never be a PL footballer. 11 minutes ago, Col city fan said: Good job I didn't write that.. He already is and has been for two seasons.
Guest Col city fan Posted 13 July 2017 Posted 13 July 2017 12 minutes ago, norwichfox said: Thought you did....473 times... Don't bloody exaggerate! (It was 467)...
STUHILL Posted 13 July 2017 Posted 13 July 2017 Agree to binning them all apart from Slimani, unless we can get our money back on him. I was willing to give Mendy another 6 months but he seems to want to go and we have Iborra now too, with perhaps another CM/no.10 to come. Musa is an odd one, but I just don't see where he fits in, as he is not a winger and doesn't look strong enough to be an out and out striker in this league. Having 3 top strikers in Vardy, Iheanacho and Slimani would be awesome, but if Vardy stays fit, then think Slimani will struggle to get much game time, so if we get our money back, then perhaps we should take it. Otherwise, keep him and move on Ulloa, as he is a much better goal threat.
Ric Flair Posted 13 July 2017 Posted 13 July 2017 Steve Walsh's record on strikers in recent years has been abysmal.
foxfanazer Posted 13 July 2017 Posted 13 July 2017 Can anyone honestly say they'd be sad to see any of them go? I think Kaputska is the only one I'd keep but I'd still want him loaned out. I don't think Slimani will make it here but wouldn't be adverse to giving him another season at it
Wdywd Posted 13 July 2017 Posted 13 July 2017 1 hour ago, Babylon said: Lets not forget a fair few of these players weren't our first choices last season. We tried to go down the route of buying English / from our leagues and we got scared off by the prices. The same could very well happen again this season and buying from abroad is always a risk. Unfortunately last season we had several things causing issues. Claudio clearing had a hand in some transfers or didn't trust the recruitment team (see Walsh having to convince him to go for Kante instead of Mendy the previous year). Walsh leaving (this dragged on for some time lets not forget), we don't know what impact that might have had on recruitment. Plus someone, Walsh, Rudkin, the board... didn't want to spend the extra it needed to buy from our leagues. Something we seem a bit more proactive about this season. It always seems weird to me that buying from the PL is held up as some sort of magic formula. Like...is trying to sign Sigurdsson for £40m a better decision than signing someone from abroad? Just because he's played here before that doesn't make him a better player than someone we could get elsewhere. Just looking at Everton as an example, they've spent a staggering amount on players from here and don't seem to have improved the team at all. I quite like Slimani and would've kept Kapustka around, not particularly bothered about the others. But they haven't had that much of a chance in the grand scheme of things.
weller54 Posted 13 July 2017 Posted 13 July 2017 18 minutes ago, Babylon said: He already is and has been for two seasons. He's fooled you then?
Guest Col city fan Posted 13 July 2017 Posted 13 July 2017 3 minutes ago, foxfanazer said: Can anyone honestly say they'd be sad to see any of them go? I think Kaputska is the only one I'd keep but I'd still want him loaned out. I don't think Slimani will make it here but wouldn't be adverse to giving him another season at it The sad thing for me is the amazingly strong position we were in last summer....and the players that came in.... it's all hindsight and none of us could have known. But Ndidi aside, I wouldn't give you tuppence for any of em really. And the players we could have gotten........ just a bloody shame
Babylon Posted 13 July 2017 Posted 13 July 2017 Just now, Wdywd said: It always seems weird to me that buying from the PL is held up as some sort of magic formula. Like...is trying to sign Sigurdsson for £40m a better decision than signing someone from abroad? Just because he's played here before that doesn't make him a better player than someone we could get elsewhere. Just looking at Everton as an example, they've spent a staggering amount on players from here and don't seem to have improved the team at all. I quite like Slimani and would've kept Kapustka around, not particularly bothered about the others. But they haven't had that much of a chance in the grand scheme of things. It's about risk aversion more than anything, knowing they can perform in this league. We've seen the benefits and the risks involved when buying from abroad ourselves quite drastically. The risks didn't pay off last time, or we risked too much buying everyone from abroad. At our best, our squad building was always a mixture of English league players, a smattering of foreign buys, along with a mixture of older heads and young talent. We certainly seem like we've gone more towards that this season so far. We tried last season, but we just wouldn't pay the money or couldn't get the players to kick up a fuss about leaving their clubs.
lgfualol Posted 13 July 2017 Posted 13 July 2017 9 minutes ago, foxfanazer said: Can anyone honestly say they'd be sad to see any of them go? I think Kaputska is the only one I'd keep but I'd still want him loaned out. I don't think Slimani will make it here but wouldn't be adverse to giving him another season at it I'd be sad if Slim and Kap went. I think the others should move on for their own careers, along with Ulloa.
Nickfosse Posted 13 July 2017 Posted 13 July 2017 7 minutes ago, Ric Flair said: Steve Walsh's record on strikers in recent years has been abysmal. That's true, and goalkeepers funnily enough. Kasper was signed by Sven and he has given us Weale, Hamer, Zeiler, and old man Schwarzer
surrifox Posted 13 July 2017 Posted 13 July 2017 i suspect that Musa might knock the goals in for someone somewhere- his personal life seems to have been a bit of a car crash until recently which might explain his crap performances for us
Wdywd Posted 13 July 2017 Posted 13 July 2017 1 minute ago, Babylon said: It's about risk aversion more than anything, knowing they can perform in this league. We've seen the benefits and the risks involved when buying from abroad ourselves quite drastically. The risks didn't pay off last time, or we risked too much buying everyone from abroad. At our best, our squad building was always a mixture of English league players, a smattering of foreign buys, along with a mixture of older heads and young talent. We certainly seem like we've gone more towards that this season so far. We tried last season, but we just wouldn't pay the money or couldn't get the players to kick up a fuss about leaving their clubs. Fair points. I think buying from here is more likely to get players who can come in and play straight away, whereas it might take longer for players from abroad to adjust. But I feel like there's far more potential buying from abroad (or from the lower leagues to be honest) than buying 'proven' PL players who can be a bit limited. Clearly we messed up last season but it felt like we gave up on players very quickly. Do we really need to dump them all? Is the team genuinely gonna be better having Ulloa and King on the bench than Slimani and Mendy? I dunno. Imo there's far more potential in the latter two to actually become good PL players, which is surely what we want if the aim is top 8 or something.
shen Posted 13 July 2017 Posted 13 July 2017 19 minutes ago, Ric Flair said: Steve Walsh's record on strikers in recent years has been abysmal. I don't feel that the players he brings/brought in are useless. They all have good pedigree/track records or good potential. We didn't give Kramaric much of a chance but he scored goals before joining and after leaving. It looks to me more like we've not identified the players that would fit our particular style and team personality.
Wdywd Posted 13 July 2017 Posted 13 July 2017 3 minutes ago, shen said: It looks to me more like we've not identified the players that would fit our particular style and team personality. Agree with this. Vardy seems to work well with Nugent/Okazaki type strikers, but we just can't find anyone else to play with him and then the new guys end up getting benched. Which is a worry with Iheanacho too.
Tuna Posted 13 July 2017 Posted 13 July 2017 It annoys me thinking about last summer, all the promise and hope and getting excited about all the quality players we'd sign with our new found reputation and champions league football to offer. It seems we got carried away and just expected Walsh to carry on finding gems. We know Musa was one of his recommendations, I believe Hernandez was the result of analysis (Interceptions/tackles or something), Zieler seemed a decent option German international, we know Kapustka was bit of a spur of the moment thing, wheras Mendy was clearly a Claudio signing I believe he was first choice before N'Golo (!) and Slimani was another panic buy, Claudio asked for another striker we know this as Ulloa said we weren't getting another striker then Slim came in on deadline day. If we identified players we wanted - Deeney and Keane, we should have paid the money out rather than not bother adding to the squad. We already bought Hernandez by then, we wanted Keane, couldn't get him and just gave up on signing defenders this is after selling Moore leaving us lightweight in this area. I don't know what we were playing at trying to get Silva a few days before the deadline with Sporting having no time to replace their captain. I also feel Claudio didn't want to replace anyone which was understandable, but I would have expected a big name manager with years of experience at the top level to be able to attract better players than what we got in. It pisses me off seeing Everton doing the sort of business we should have done last summer.
Babylon Posted 13 July 2017 Posted 13 July 2017 32 minutes ago, weller54 said: He's fooled you then? No I've seen him playing in this league, so you're just wrong.
CosbehFox Posted 13 July 2017 Posted 13 July 2017 2 hours ago, Babylon said: Unfortunately last season we had several things causing issues. Claudio clearing had a hand in some transfers or didn't trust the recruitment team (see Walsh having to convince him to go for Kante instead of Mendy the previous year). Walsh leaving (this dragged on for some time lets not forget), we don't know what impact that might have had on recruitment. Plus someone, Walsh, Rudkin, the board... didn't want to spend the extra it needed to buy from our leagues. Something we seem a bit more proactive about this season. I don't think there is any doubt that one of Walsh's reasons for leaving was he felt more deserving of power on transfers than he had. Everton often him the autonomy he wanted. However, Babylon is right - it's far too complex to say Walsh signing/Ranieri signing/Rudkin pure hope signing. I think Walsh did have scouting reports for all six of the signings but he may have had caveats/other factors that may have warn him off. Zieler and Hernandez were freebies, so worth a risk. Slimani I heard we always fancied signing him but at the right price. Kaputska was probably triggered by his good Euro tournament and more interest in him, therefore we signed him. Mendy was a solid on paper signing what Ranieri wanted. Musa is the mystery one mind. We probably didn't want to feel as though we were being taken advantage of in paying for transfer fees either hence Silva/Keane didn't come. What I think is very clear is that we did no due diligence into the players personalities and how they'd fit in.
Gerard Posted 13 July 2017 Posted 13 July 2017 1 hour ago, Ric Flair said: Steve Walsh's record on strikers in recent years has been abysmal. Such as?
Chrysalis Posted 13 July 2017 Posted 13 July 2017 I think all last summer signings I wouldnt miss if they all left.
CosbehFox Posted 13 July 2017 Posted 13 July 2017 12 minutes ago, Gerard said: Such as? Kermorgant, Wood, Kane, Ulloa, Vardy, Waghorn, Futacs, Phillips, Taylor-Fletcher, Kramaric.
Out Foxed Posted 13 July 2017 Posted 13 July 2017 4 hours ago, murphy said: Walsh has already gone. how is it walsh's fault. look at who he has brought in for Everton.
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